🏈 Coach Saban's New Record @ 'Bama?

[CtrlAltDel]

Anyone know what it is now? I am talking specifically about his win/loss record, btw. Previously, it was 19-8.

 

[rolltide1969]

I guess we'll know after the sanctions come out today!

 

[psychojoe]

Regardless of what the NCAA does, on the field the record is 19-8.

 

[CtrlAltDel]

Yeah, all we can do is wait. They say 10 wins will be vacated. But, if you count up all the wins during the years covered, it is more than ten.

 

[capooth]

if OU can appeal and get their wins back i get the feeling we will be able to do the same thing

 

[alagator]

if OU can appeal and get their wins back i get the feeling we will be able to do the same thing

Big difference between the OU and UA (and FSU) forfeiture sanctions. OU did not involve direct institutional involvement, giving the school at least the benefit of the doubt over the depth of complicity.

FSU most likely to lose their appeal of the forfeiture of 14 games because the infractions were all self-contained within the operations of the school. Same with us.

Standard for a successful appeal also now requires that the school argue and demonstrate the NCAA Committee acted outside their statutory authority (ie, they did not have the power to include forfeitures as an appropriate sanction). The official response from UA even acknowledges the committee could order forfeits but merely asks ('begs' would be a more complete and accurate term) they not do so. Will be interesting to hear an argument from UA that 'doing what we acknowleged you have the power to do is an overstepping of your authority' - but, hey, I have seen lawyers try to make similarily baseless arguments before.

Cecil Hurt states in his latest that UA is considering appealing the length of the probation extension. Probably a wise move. No way in Hell we can keep our nose clean of a moderately major violation for five full years with the Keystone Kop(s) running our athletic department. We better hope we can get out of the repeat violator window as quickly as possible.

 

[psychojoe]

Now would be a great time for MM to retire or become AD emeritus. Too much has happened on his watch.

 

[TerryP]

Big difference between the OU and UA (and FSU) forfeiture sanctions. OU did not involve direct institutional involvement, giving the school at least the benefit of the doubt over the depth of complicity.

Part of compliance is the oversight of off campus work, the number of hours worked and the amount paid to each student athlete.

The OU compliance department either chose to ignore their own records or there was gross oversight to have missed the amount of money being paid.

It certainly appears to me from the redacted response that the extra books and supplies were recommended from the professors of those classes. While a text booklet may not be considered "mandatory" under NCAA guidelines, try turning a test in that isn't in one of the UA test booklets. The professor won't take it.

Recommended reading from those same professors has to be looked at in the same light. If the professor recommends it in the syllabus he submits to the bookstore, and they pre-package those materials, that's not an Athletic oversight. It's an institutional situation which doesn't fall under the NCAA compliance rules. It's a UA situation.

It's hard to say it was an extra benefit as well considering the number of students (some scholarshipped) that received the very same materials.