š CFP presidents have unanimously approved to expand the College Football Playoff to 12 teams
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50+yeartidefan
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Only Top 4 conference champs getting byes is stupid...should be to 4 teams as by the committee....thatās something that will be changed
@It Takes Eleven According to the AP, there will be no distinction between the 10 FBS conferences.
And this is by all means very encouraging.
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That's what the point has been all along. It's not about an improved product, it's about placating teams that aren't good enough; they participated.
And this is by all means very encouraging.
Analysis: Will a bigger College Football Playoff be better?
While enthusiastically announcing plans to expand the College Football Playoff, those in charge of the postseason system downplayed the revenue windfall that will come with tripling the number of participants and declined to speculate about whether a new format will tap the breaks on conference...
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The Game of the Century, that in-season matchup of highly ranked teams with seemingly everything on the line, has gone from being a staple of college football to an endangered species. The 12-team playoff will now make it extinct and redefine what it means to play an important regular-season game.
Letās use last yearās Ohio State-Michigan game as an example. The Wolverines not only broke a long losing streak in the rivalry, but they eliminated the Buckeyes from both Big Ten and playoff contention.
Under a 12-team playoff, that game is for seeding and a first-round bye.
The flip side is that under the new format, any team that enters the final month of the season with a chance to win its conference is a playoff contender.
Think back to last Thanksgiving Day weekend, with Ohio State-Michigan and Oklahoma-Oklahoma State basically playing elimination games and Alabama facing Auburn with playoff hopes in peril.
That was pretty great.
Now what if Wisconsin-Minnesota, Michigan State-Penn State, Oregon-Oregon State and three different Atlantic Coast Conference games involving Clemson, Wake Forest and North Carolina State also had playoff implications?
For some fans, that sounds even better. For others, those teams are just watering down the field.
āWhat motivated the presidents and me as well was that we need to have an opportunity for more participation of teams in our nationās national championship tournament,ā Keenum said. āAnd having only four teams, we felt like thatās not fair to our student-athletes from a participation standpoint.ā
That's what the point has been all along. It's not about an improved product, it's about placating teams that aren't good enough; they participated.
No. It won't. They are not going to take something away from the conference champions when they've worked so hard for their automatic inclusion.
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50+yeartidefan
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You know they dont. This aint the nfl although at times some think it is.
50+yeartidefan
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O good grief. If it doesnt fit well. They adjusted. They adjusted bcs. And 4 team cfp. So probably will
Not a fan of it! "6 highest ranked conference champions"? Are we saying that the AAC, Conference USA, MW, or even the Sun Belt should be deserving of a seat? Hell! The Pac 12 has been irrelevant for how long now? They are losing their bell cow in USC, so we just going to give Oregon the ticket? I don't like the "automatic qualifier". Give me the BCS computers and let them pick the 12. SEC is likely to get 3 in anyways, Big 10 get at least 2, and Big 12 1 and ACC get 1. Fans already have to make a choice, if they don't have deep pockets. Do I go to the semifinal or hope they win and go to the final?
There's a basic tenant with the NCAA when it comes to how they think, how they'll react, and what they'll do when it comes to important decisions. They'll follow their model; socialist by nature in attempts to make all things equal. A comparison to how government works in today's age is a perfect descriptor.
When has an agency given something in an attempt at equality and reversed course, finally taking it away? They don't. The idea they might is intellectually dishonest in the same terms as "a temporary tax increase." Once they get it they aren't letting it go.
Conference champions getting auto-berths has been a sticking point from day one in the playoff era. Now those groupsāand there are manyāhave their way; a conference championship means as much, if not more, than a team winning every game, sans one in their conference championship. An 8-4 conference champion will get a higher seed than say a one loss SEC runner up.
One can assume the CFP managers will do something to improve the product. That assumption would be based on what? What decision over the last decade + has led to a better product? What decision made has led to better football?
I find the bye-week to be farcical.
"We want to give other teams a chance" all the while we're going to take our top four seeds, let them rest a week, and then play. Four teams in a protected status.
There's very little value found in being the top seed in the playoff. In fact, it's a detriment.
Roll Tide Roll soon to be, Tank Bama Tank. A four seed will be in a better position than a one seed.
Even though I don't like the auto-byes for the top four champions, I don't think I see this happening. The fifth-highest ranked conference champion would never be ranked higher than a one-loss SEC team. Can't envision a scenario where an 8-4 team would be the fourth highest ranked conference champion. It's been some years since we've had a three-loss team win a conference championship in the big four conferences, usually undefeated to two losses. Even Wake and Pitt last year had just two losses each heading into their championship game.
It will be interesting, after the hard-wired top four, how much value the committee gives to those fifth and sixth conference champions over a one- or two-loss SEC team. If we go to a nine game conference schedule when OK and UT join, our only 2026 nonconference opponents are WVU, USF and FSU. There is no scenario where a four-loss conference champion gets ahead of us if we lose in Atlanta after running the table in that regular season schedule.
50+yeartidefan
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First..".CFP managers"...dont even know who that would be...University Presidents manage CF ....dont they....kinda sorta anyway..
Over last decade...the CFPs are an example of better product...over BCS
BCS was better than polls and it was adjusted .......
And better football now ....even non cfp....with matchups in bowls by committee rather than schools negotiating with a bowl....
I get it Terry...you dont like the expansion of CFPs...and come up with wild and unbelievable examples of why it shouldnt have happened and some day...some may happen but they wont be the norm...
There are a lot of changes that suck in CF right now... a lot I hate...but i see expanded exciting playoffs as a positive...
How long after we are all settling into this 12 team playoff? Before we hear someone think we need a.........? Ranking Maybe the SEC with the most? BCS 9 SEC teams with a record of 8-1 Winning the first losing the last. With Bama with three wins, Fla. with two UT and LSU one each, Auburn with a 1-1 record. This was changed during the 2003 season, I think? 2014 - present playoff games Bama with a 3-3 record of 3-3 in the NCG and 6-1 in the Semifinal is 6-1, UGA is 1-1 in the NCG we know both those games were against Bama, LSU has one. SO the record in these games are 5-4.
Ifg I got something wrong let me know!
Ifg I got something wrong let me know!
The CFP managers are the Presidents and Athletic Directors. Those are the folks who made this decision and are passing it down to another group for final approval. And that's the basis of an earlier point. A President of a University votes to change the rules on auto-bids, which, inevitably, directly affects his school by them being left out? Once they get their handout, they won't give it back.
How? The BCS formula has had the same top two teams as the CFP. It's the same results but you're suggesting it's a better product? Again, same games, just a different name.
The BCS always included the polls both in the beginning and the end. It was the same with the computer rankings. Ironically, still used today in the committee selections.
Name one situation where we have playoff scenarios of this size and we don't see teams tank? In college we see it now in the often lauded "look at basketball's 68 teams" while watching teams tank their conference tournaments.
True. It's ruining the game. Nothing in life improves when you make it weaker.
50+yeartidefan
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Ok...by paragraphs:
A...ok..its no handout...maybe they would prefer the 5-12 for the millions coming into the community!..hotels..restaurants...concessions...parking..
B....BCS formula did change and they weighed the polls and computers differently... maybe after USCw getting left out ...somewhere in there anyway
C.... you dont think a coach would really get their team to tank..or players tank...
You dont know alpha males very well....
And if they did...what a scandal...FBI...teams barred..coaches ruined...
No....i dont believe that any more than anyone on this forum
D....not weaker...more substance...less fluff...
The irony of this...older folkes are more resistant to change....and here we are...
You n I.....being just the opposite...
Roll Tide
A...ok..its no handout...maybe they would prefer the 5-12 for the millions coming into the community!..hotels..restaurants...concessions...parking..
B....BCS formula did change and they weighed the polls and computers differently... maybe after USCw getting left out ...somewhere in there anyway
C.... you dont think a coach would really get their team to tank..or players tank...
You dont know alpha males very well....
And if they did...what a scandal...FBI...teams barred..coaches ruined...
No....i dont believe that any more than anyone on this forum
D....not weaker...more substance...less fluff...
The irony of this...older folkes are more resistant to change....and here we are...
You n I.....being just the opposite...
Roll Tide
NFL. Every year.
If you add something inferior to anything it's weaker. Life lesson 101.
50+yeartidefan
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CF is Not the nfl. CF draft status ( recruiting) is not depending on WnLs...They rest players in insignificant games...once they have it were they are going to be...regardless... and nfl 2s were stars in CF...
NFLis a different beast...
And you are the one that says you cant compare nfl with CF...and you cant
Not adding something inferior at all...games of substance...playoff games...win snd keep on playing...lose and go home....thats substance...
Even if you look down on other conferences....
Presently...SEC and B10 are the power conferences...wasnt always like that...wont always be so...
Okay. MLB, NBA, And, to repeat, NCAA basketball. When a spot is determined in the playoffs in any of these sports you see teams tanking their last games of the season. Those games do not matter anymore. IF you have reached a goal the motivation to continue is diminished. That's human nature.
Just as the author in a earlier link said, those "make or break" games in the regular season are no longer make or break games: they are meaningless.
A 10th ranked team is inferior to a team ranked 1-4. If you add them to the mix, you aren't improving anything.
All this is a grant of wishes to TV execs. They love do or die which the playoffs provide. It's not a better game than seeing the same teams playing in a NY6 bowl game. It's the same game.
You complain about playing teams in the regular season that aren't profile programs. There's no incentive to schedule those teams any longer. 11-1 now and 11-1 in the future is still going to be 11 -1. It will not matter if it's against UTC or FSU. Except now we've got a watered down regular season and a watered down post season.
The best thing the SEC can do in the future is remain at eight games and schedule four cupcakes. It won't matter in the end; it's all about a playoff spot.
But hell, it's all good. Now Pigeon Forge U can participate.
50+yeartidefan
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I have never seen a college team tank anything...period
Hope we never do...
I think its just opposite...i think teamscan beef up schedule..because a lose to a quality opponent isnt going to totall eliminate them from playoff contention...
So a 2 loss team. Playing quality opponents....still has a chance....
Say Bama in 2019....2013.... they certainly were not crap teams for sure and either could have won it all..
So...see what the future holds....roll tide
And ....... at game Saturday....i saw no alcohol problems....except high price and long lines... but i left really early....i did not participate...usually 1 16 oz beer is2 trips to bathroom...lol
I agree that schedule strength will make a big difference for those six at-large spots, where you have - post conference championship games - a pile of two- and three-loss teams.
Looking at the CFP rankings for 2021, 2019 and 2018 - I tossed out 2019, just too much noise - here are the final CFP rankings pasted at the bottom - I just included 1 through 15. In 2021, top six conf champs would be numbers 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7. All else held equal, GA would move from 3 to 5, and you'd have three SEC teams. In 2019, 1-4 are all champs so no change there (treating ND as the ACC champ), and four SEC teams are in (I know there would be an argument of a three-loss aubrun in over Bama...). In 2018, more of a jumble. An undefeated ND is bounced out of the top four (they cannot get a bye as an independent), replaced by no. 6 OSU. ND would be 5, GA 6, and four SEC teams get in. 2017 would bounce swap Bama and OSU, and we'd have three in.
Given the rankings each year, I don't envision a 12-team field with less than three SEC teams each year.
RTR,
Tim
2021
| 1 | Alabama | 12-1 | 2 | |
| 2 | Michigan | 12-1 | - | |
| 3 | Georgia | 12-1 | 2 | |
| 4 | Cincinnati | 13-0 | - | |
| 5 | Notre Dame | 11-1 | 1 | |
| 6 | Ohio State | 10-2 | 1 | |
| 7 | Baylor | 11-2 | 2 | |
| 8 | Ole Miss | 10-2 | - | |
| 9 | Oklahoma State | 11-2 | 4 | |
| 10 | Michigan State | 10-2 | 1 | |
| 11 | Utah | 10-3 | 6 | |
| 12 | Pittsburgh | 11-2 | 3 | |
| 13 | BYU | 10-2 | 1 | |
| 14 | Oregon | 10-3 | 4 | |
| 15 | Iowa | 10-3 | 2 |
2019:
| RK | TEAM | REC | TREND | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | LSU | 13-0 | 1 | |
| 2 | Ohio State | 13-0 | 1 | |
| 3 | Clemson | 13-0 | - | |
| 4 | Oklahoma | 12-1 | 2 | |
| 5 | Georgia | 11-2 | 1 | |
| 6 | Oregon | 11-2 | 7 | |
| 7 | Baylor | 11-2 | - | |
| 8 | Wisconsin | 10-3 | - | |
| 9 | Florida | 10-2 | - | |
| 10 | Penn State | 10-2 | - | |
| 11 | Utah | 11-2 | 6 | |
| 12 | Auburn | 9-3 | 1 | |
| 13 | Alabama | 10-2 | 1 | |
| 14 | Michigan | 9-3 | - | |
| 15 | Notre Dame | 10-2 | - |
2018:
| RK | TEAM | REC | TREND | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Alabama | 13-0 | - | |
| 2 | Clemson | 13-0 | - | |
| 3 | Notre Dame | 12-0 | - | |
| 4 | Oklahoma | 12-1 | 1 | |
| 5 | Georgia | 11-2 | 1 | |
| 6 | Ohio State | 12-1 | - | |
| 7 | Michigan | 10-2 | - | |
| 8 | UCF | 12-0 | - | |
| 9 | Washington | 10-3 | 2 | |
| 10 | Florida | 9-3 | 1 | |
| 11 | LSU | 9-3 | 1 | |
| 12 | Penn State | 9-3 | - | |
| 13 | Washington State | 10-2 | - | |
| 14 | Kentucky | 9-3 | 1 | |
| 15 | Texas | 9-4 | 1 |
2017:
| RK | TEAM | REC | TREND | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Clemson | 12-1 | - | |
| 2 | Oklahoma | 12-1 | 1 | |
| 3 | Georgia | 12-1 | 3 | |
| 4 | Alabama | 11-1 | 1 | |
| 5 | Ohio State | 11-2 | 3 | |
| 6 | Wisconsin | 12-1 | 2 | |
| 7 | Auburn | 10-3 | 5 | |
| 8 | USC | 11-2 | 2 | |
| 9 | Penn State | 10-2 | - | |
| 10 | Miami | 10-2 | 3 | |
| 11 | Washington | 10-2 | 2 | |
| 12 | UCF | 12-0 | 2 | |
| 13 | Stanford | 9-4 | 1 | |
| 14 | Notre Dame | 9-3 | 1 | |
| 15 | TCU | 10-3 | 4 |
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