🏈 Cash sought for Cam Newton

[UAgrad93]

The logic is simple here. IF he was being shopped at MSU for 180-200K, then people will automatically question "well, how much did it cost Auburn to land him?" I think there is some flame to this smoke. It won't get settled overnight. Someone ( an Auburn fan) posted on Facebook that, "it will take a couple of years for it to all get sorted out so why worry!" My response was this, " is one player worth losing scholarships, probation, and a potential NC ring really worth it?"

 

[psychojoe]

I guess I'm getting to be an old fogey but stuff like this really takes away from the great game of college football for me. I hope it ends with Kenny Rogers trying to sway the Newtons and them turning him down flat, or him never getting a nibble on his efforts to get money so he couldn't approach them. Even with Aubirn possibly on the wrong end of this, I want it to go away so I can just enjoy the important things, like rooting for the Tide and against whoever is playing Aubirn or Tennessee.

 

[AFF]

This is a real shame, and it's almost predictable in the college game these days.

Some random thoughts:

Unless this issue is cleared up by Heisman voting time - kiss that goodbye. The Heisman's mission statement includes the word 'integrity'. While there's a doubt about Newton's integrity, he won't get enough votes to win.

Despite the fact that some Auburn fans are claiming that the NCAA is not investigating Newton, virtually all of the media across the nation are saying that the NCAA is investigating Newton - not Mississippi State or the agent - but Newton. Whether that's true or not, I guess we'll see. But, a simple Google shows that's what they are saying.

Whether or not there was wrongdoing at Auburn in this case, the NCAA are STILL a bunch of Nazis in my book. They have too much discretion and the power to impose penalties against programs even in the face of skimpy 'evidence'. They should stick to dealing strictly with facts in any case. If the facts indicate that Auburn cheated, then they should be punished. Because of the recent USC ruling and given Auburn's past regarding major NCAA infractions, I don't think the NCAA would go easy on them by any stretch of the imagination. I believe that there are those in the media (particularly in the NY and LA area) who think all Southern football programs are good only because they are 'cheaters'. But, I'd hate to see the NCAA cave into media pressure just to make some sort of an example out of yet another Southern football power.

 

[Duder]

Mark Schlabach: "As far as we know, Cameron Newton's eligibility is not in question." Just now in an interview on SportsCenter

They also referenced that Rogers is still under investigation for posing as an NFLPA employee (link posted by me earlier in the thread). The more actual details come out, the more it seems this guy is doing exactly what he's done before. Lying about who he is and what he does to get money out of someone.

 

[ExiledTidefan]

I agree that this might be some sour grapes from Miss State, and perhaps even Coach Urban Meyer. At the very least, it sounds like Newton had contact with this agent, so there is something that happened that shouldn't have. I'm not saying he's ineligible, but Auburn should go ahead and sit him to show that they respect and acknowledge the NCAA's concern over his eligibility. By playing him, and sure, they can't win if they do, they can't win if they don't, they are showing a disregard for the rules around his status.

I can't see Auburn having a good way to deal with this. It's guilty before innocence in the court of public opinion, and most times with the NCAA.

 

[XXL TideFan]

Found floating around on the 'net.

Remember he just had a SI article come out saying he was favoring MSU but he was going to let his dad pick his team and he picked Auburn. Cam also mentioned in an interview a couple of weeks ago that his dad oversees 5 churches in Georgia. Also add to the fact that one of those churches was about to be shut down because wasn't up to code and they got a few extensions and the church had the modifications done in the Spring right about the time Cam was enrolled at AU.

 

[mike2197r74]

I am not saying he did or didnt do it, but the reason Mississippi St. is bring this up is they turned him down. Auburn or there boosters arent going to
give up information. They are going to make the NCAA find it if its there to be found.

 

[slee]

 

[TideAlum05]

It's great to see the Aubs stick their heads in the sand on this. Don't worry guys, it's all a dream.

 

[Southern Bama]

I read what Cecil was quoted as saying......and the man is being deceptive. Innocent people dont run out and hire attorneys and they state that they cant speak about the matter due to being under a gag order. Common Sense says there is a fire somewhere when smoke is coming out every window of the house. The mans church just recently came into code and since when does player let his father decide where he plays football.....? I hate it and hope none of it is true and I dont want any excuses from Auburn after Nov 26th. But my personal opinion is that Auburn has passed the point of no return and are going to play him until the NCAA says he cant.....and by then, he will be playing on Sundays and it wont be his problem anymore....just the problem of current and future kids at Auburn.

 

[Duder]

I agree that this might be some sour grapes from Miss State, and perhaps even Coach Urban Meyer. At the very least, it sounds like Newton had contact with this agent, so there is something that happened that shouldn't have. I'm not saying he's ineligible, but Auburn should go ahead and sit him to show that they respect and acknowledge the NCAA's concern over his eligibility. By playing him, and sure, they can't win if they do, they can't win if they don't, they are showing a disregard for the rules around his status.

I can't see Auburn having a good way to deal with this. It's guilty before innocence in the court of public opinion, and most times with the NCAA.

Cecil admitted to speaking with Rogers during their official visit to Mississippi State. He said as an MSU alum he felt that Rogers would be a good resource of information regarding the program, university and surrounding area.

Auburn should, and would, sit him if there were NCAA concerns regarding his eligibility. Several sources of information, including ESPN this morning, have stated there are no concerns regarding Cam's eligibility. To sit him without any proof, or suspicion from anyone of consequence, would be unfair to Cam and his teammates.

Cecil isn't commenting on it because he's been told by the NCAA and Auburn not to. If he had anything to hide he wouldn't have turned over his church financial records, he was under no obligation to do so.

The bottom line is as of this morning ESPN is NOT reporting that the NCAA is investigating Cam Newton or Auburn. They are investigating the report brought to them by Mississippi State.

A few quotes of interest from Sports Illustrated:

"To be clear, as of Thursday evening, neither Auburn, nor Newton nor his family has been publicly accused of any wrongdoing. Anything to the contrary is assumption or innuendo, and Newton is not being withheld from competition."

"As of now, we have no evidence that Rogers made any such demand to Auburn on behalf of Newton, or that any dollars ever changed hands. We only know what didn't happen -- that Mississippi State did not take up Rogers on his offer."

These agents are the underbelly of the college football world. It seems to me that by reading the articles from reputable sources, the "agent" and his dealings with Mississippi State are at the center of the investigation--not Cameron, not Auburn. Until there is any evidence that this kind of offer was made to and accepted by Auburn, this still remains a non-issue. Hell for that matter until there is any proof that the conversation with State was actually sanctioned by the Newton family, this remains an investigation of the dealings of a person claiming to be an agent and who has already gotten into hot water for lying about it before.

 

[Southern Bama]

Cecil admitted to speaking with Rogers during their official visit to Mississippi State. He said as an MSU alum he felt that Rogers would be a good resource of information regarding the program, university and surrounding area.

Auburn should, and would, sit him if there were NCAA concerns regarding his eligibility. Several sources of information, including ESPN this morning, have stated there are no concerns regarding Cam's eligibility. To sit him without any proof, or suspicion from anyone of consequence, would be unfair to Cam and his teammates.

Cecil isn't commenting on it because he's been told by the NCAA and Auburn not to. If he had anything to hide he wouldn't have turned over his church financial records, he was under no obligation to do so.

The bottom line is as of this morning ESPN is NOT reporting that the NCAA is investigating Cam Newton or Auburn. They are investigating the report brought to them by Mississippi State.

A few quotes of interest from Sports Illustrated:

"To be clear, as of Thursday evening, neither Auburn, nor Newton nor his family has been publicly accused of any wrongdoing. Anything to the contrary is assumption or innuendo, and Newton is not being withheld from competition."

"As of now, we have no evidence that Rogers made any such demand to Auburn on behalf of Newton, or that any dollars ever changed hands. We only know what didn't happen -- that Mississippi State did not take up Rogers on his offer."

These agents are the underbelly of the college football world. It seems to me that by reading the articles from reputable sources, the "agent" and his dealings with Mississippi State are at the center of the investigation--not Cameron, not Auburn. Until there is any evidence that this kind of offer was made to and accepted by Auburn, this still remains a non-issue. Hell for that matter until there is any proof that the conversation with State was actually sanctioned by the Newton family, this remains an investigation of the dealings of a person claiming to be an agent and who has already gotten into hot water for lying about it before.

Why would the Newtons inlist the help of this scumbag ??? its my understanding that his reputation is well known.....and since when does a father dictate to his son where he will play football ? It seems to me that if the Newtons had any questions about MSU, Dan Mullen would have been the man to ask since Cam and him already had a prior relationship.....seems to me that Mullens opinions and information would be more trustworthy than some halfazz backwoods "agent". Cecil Newton stinks of piss poor character and he has a history of not being honest with the media. I just hate all of it....and in my opinion, if there is any truth to this stuff, Cecil Newton is going to end up being the head scumbag weasel.....exploiting his own son.....just a damn shame.

 

[sec.ular]

if this stuff is true then obviously it makes for a great story, however i hope for Cam's sake that this whole thing is fake. For if some of the allegations are true then it sounds like he might have a snake as a father and i reckon he'd have many future troubles in his personal life. Ya know, i always thought it was weird that Cam left UF because of a stolen laptop. I mean, correct me if i'm wrong, but that's hardly a big deal if you're a Gator. Seems a lot of UF players can get away with far worse offenses

 

[AlabamaAubKiller]

OMG that is pricless.

 

[AlabamaAubKiller]

Further more the so called "Fishing trip" was
with a freind of Julio's who he had known
since before he ever signed with bama.
The guy was DISABLED and Julio would
go help him get ONTO his boat when he needed a hand.
that time Mark just happend to be with him when the guy
called Julio and asked for his help. As a result he took them out on the boat with him.
hardly any imporpriety there at all.

 

[AlabamaAubKiller]

Looks like Duder has the Au spin machine in full effect.

PersonalyI am as excited as an inquisitor in a room full of dissidents!
I hope it turns out they make it to the IB unscathed, get spanked by bama
win thier bowl game,cam wins the hiesman, and then they have to forfit all of it.
they not only get cut out of the BCS Champ by our team, But have to loose the entire season.
Only to have bama win another SEC & BCS Championship on top of it.

To me that would be the PERFECT YEAR! lol

 

[AlabamaAubKiller]

You guys who want Auburn to go down over this sound just like what you would call low class coming from another fan base. Personally I hope that the Newton Family retained the lawyers to persue a defamation suit against the Rogers guy and wins enough money to fix up their church and never have to worry about money again. Cam seems to have learned a lesson from his days at Florida and seems for all the world to be a stand up kid. If its true, SHAME on the Newton family.

As for why its blowing up now? Seriously? Cam Newton is the hottest thing in football right now and drives ratings and clicks and everything a "news" organization wants. Why wouldnt you wait and bring this story out now that Newton leads the Heisman race. It makes for sensational news.

I would rather have Auburn at full strength and dismantle them on the feild in a couple weeks. It'll be a much more thorough beating that way.

Flame away,
T

That church has already been fixed. the newspaper in Newnan reported over 2 weeks ago that the project has been compleated to the city's
satisfaction and that they were free to re-open. and if you look at what was reported in the local paper there about the
church being condemed and thier finacail troubles.....it sure got fixed in a hurry with no money.
The Lord works in wonderous and mystirious ways......but from my experiance he usually takes his time about it.
I'm sorry but in this i don't see the hand of God at work i see the hand of Bobby Lowder, Jimmy Raines, & Pat Dye at work.

 

[bamadezz]

You guys who want Auburn to go down over this sound just like what you would call low class coming from another fan base.

Not speaking for the rest of the board, but I personally could care less what is going down over on the plains. If Cecil Newton was shopping his son around to the highest bidder, then he's a low life, regardless of him being a man of God. If AU is guilty, then let the NCAA handle them in the same manner they've handled other situations similar to this case, nothing more, nothing less. Is it classless that some Bama fans seem to be praying and hoping Cam is implicated in this entire ordeal? Yeah sorta, but you have to consider how AU fans would be carrying on right now if the tables were turned and this was an Alabama player. 95% of AU's fanbase would be calling for the NCAA to give Alabama the death penalty. So I do understand to how some Alabama fans feel about this, it's certainly interesting to watch.

As much as I could care less about Auburn, I really feel sad for Cam Newton. It looks like Cam was just doing what the old man was wanting him to do. The thing about him wanting to play for MSU, and ending up at Auburn because his father felt the barn would "showcase" his talents more, is sad. He's a hell of an player and it's a shame to see this go down because whether or not this is true, the damage is done.

 

[foshman]

It's difficult for me to believe there's much to this story that relates to Auburn. In fact most of the newest information is suggesting that Newton was cleared by Auburn and the SEC before the season began and that the NCAA has known about the allegations for some time. One of the Auburn sites is reporting that the allegation is centered around MSU. My guess is it is centered around Bond and Rogers.

It's also hard for me to take anything at face value that comes from a guy like Kenny Rogers. And who the hell would shop a player to a school by contacting an also ran quarterback from 20 years ago. Maybe we should ask Randy Campbell to clear Auburn's name.

Taking a step back, its difficult to believe Auburn would be so brazen right now. Any significant penalties would kill a program that is just starting to rebuild around a new coach. A loss of even a few scholarships would make competing with Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and LSU almost impossible.

None of this matters. The two best teams in the country are Auburn and Alabama, Boise State is a close third. We'll get a historic Iron Bowl, Cam will most likely get a Heisman, and one of us will get a national championship.

 

[AlabamaAubKiller]

It's difficult for me to believe there's much to this story that relates to Auburn. In fact most of the newest information is suggesting that Newton was cleared by Auburn and the SEC before the season began and that the NCAA has known about the allegations for some time. One of the Auburn sites is reporting that the allegation is centered around MSU. My guess is it is centered around Bond and Rogers.

It's also hard for me to take anything at face value that comes from a guy like Kenny Rogers. And who the hell would shop a player to a school by contacting an also ran quarterback from 20 years ago. Maybe we should ask Randy Campbell to clear Auburn's name.

Taking a step back, its difficult to believe Auburn would be so brazen right now. Any significant penalties would kill a program that is just starting to rebuild around a new coach. A loss of even a few scholarships would make competing with Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and LSU almost impossible.

None of this matters. The two best teams in the country are Auburn and Alabama, Boise State is a close third. We'll get a historic Iron Bowl, Cam will most likely get a Heisman, and one of us will get a national championship.

Are you kidding me?!? with all the BS reporting that the big money boosters @ AU have done trying to get the death penalty for
Alabama.....they get exactly as they deserve. IF they loose even one scholly over this it's a GOOD THING IMO.
I want them sanctioned back to the stone age. Those ppl over there are always trying to dig dirt up on Bama.
They've done it that way for YEARS. Can't beat bama on the field.....report them to the ncaa for spiting on the sidewalk.
That has always been thier MO. But as the saying goes....if you live in a glass house don't throw stones.
So if they have every game this year striped.....i'll be just fine with that.