🏈 Breaking: Texas to name Louisville's Charlie Strong as next HC

[LauraWoman]

And now you have UT booster Red McCombs speaking up, just stupid.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...bs-bashes-texas-longhorns-charlie-strong-hire

I saw that and I was just like, "......................................."

 

[Old Timer from TX]

This "dumpster fire" term has been thrown around a lot in regards to Texas coaching search, program, boosters, etc. It must be the popular thing to say somebody's problems are a big dumpster fire. However, dumpster fire is not a term that I believe is consistent with Texas recent past. It was totally overblown, and then Internet sports fans just decided to attach this term to Texas.

 

[bamaraider]

I think what Strong emphasizes and with his system will get Texas back to where they want to be. Very defensive minded HC, good player development, disciplined, and offense that is about ball control and physicality. I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting looks at the NFL in the near future.

 

[JoshB]

I agree Charlie Strong is an excellent coach and he will def. put an end to just how damn soft Texas has been. I thought he was a pretty decent person too until I heard how he left his players in the lurch Franchione style.

 

[TerryP]

This "dumpster fire" term has been thrown around a lot in regards to Texas coaching search, program, boosters, etc. It must be the popular thing to say somebody's problems are a big dumpster fire. However, dumpster fire is not a term that I believe is consistent with Texas recent past. It was totally overblown, and then Internet sports fans just decided to attach this term to Texas.

Dumpster fire doesn't work for you and neither does soap opera.

What term would you use to describe this situation? The TX program is a ship with no rudder? No, that doesn't fit. We've seen several rudders trying to steer the ship—no pun intended.

Would you admit that the coaching search, and all the misleading stories the TX fan base has been fed, has been a complete disaster? That would be the definition of a dumpster fire.

Would you admit that the job as head coach is something a lot of coaches didn't want to deal with? Ah, again. That would be the definition of a dumpster fire.

Perhaps it's important for me to remind you of this fact. I've been through situations like yours as have many here. You won't find a soul here that wouldn't admit it was a dumpster fire we were dealing with. That experience gives us a qualified voice to describe what TX has been going through this past season.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

This "dumpster fire" term has been thrown around a lot in regards to Texas coaching search, program, boosters, etc. It must be the popular thing to say somebody's problems are a big dumpster fire. However, dumpster fire is not a term that I believe is consistent with Texas recent past. It was totally overblown, and then Internet sports fans just decided to attach this term to Texas.

Post-hire, your biggest booster is saying your new coach is better suited as a position coach or coordinator. You're right, that's the sign of a well orchestrated coaching search. Nothing to see here...

 

[sean]

i'm curious to see what all these naysayers will be saying if he goes in and starts winning. will they stand behind what they said in the beginning, or will they sack up and admit they were wrong?

 

[TerryP]

i'm curious to see what all these naysayers will be saying if he goes in and starts winning. will they stand behind what they said in the beginning, or will they sack up and admit they were wrong?

"He was our number one guy and we knew he'd be a winner from day one."

 

[TerryP]

Strong made his first bad move today by getting rid of Patrick Suddes. Even the guys that run sites like Orangebloods realized how valuable he was in Austin.

If you guys recall, just after Mack Brown was complaining about how our football administrative positions were structured and how he felt something needed to be instituted to control the number of personnel he hired Suddes away from the Tide.

Now with Steele gone to 'Ville I hope he's brought back to Tuscaloosa as the Director of Player Personnel. Most don't realize how valuable guys like Suddes, Steele, and Marynowitz are in how our program is ran.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23UT&amp;src=hash">#UT</a> Director of Player Personnel Patrick Suddes not coming back. He was key in UT getting off to a fast start with the 2015 class.</p>&mdash; Jason Suchomel (@jsuchomel) <a href="https://twitter.com/jsuchomel/statuses/421366765407318016">January 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Patrick Suddes was always working, always trying to find more kids, Plan Bs, Plan Cs and Plan Ds, just in case. Was a tremendous asset.</p>&mdash; Kevin Flaherty (@LonghornDigest) <a href="https://twitter.com/LonghornDigest/statuses/421362122526691328">January 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23UT&amp;src=hash">#UT</a> Director of Player Personnel Patrick Suddes not coming back. He was key in UT getting off to a fast start with the 2015 class.</p>&mdash; Jason Suchomel (@jsuchomel) <a href="https://twitter.com/jsuchomel/statuses/421366765407318016">January 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>That Suddes move is a head-scratcher. Really is.</p>&mdash; Kevin Flaherty (@LonghornDigest) <a href="https://twitter.com/LonghornDigest/statuses/421361365811331072">January 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I really thought Suddes was a guy that needed to be retained. He was the most valuable person on staff last year in my mind.</p>&mdash; Geoff Ketchum (@gkketch) <a href="https://twitter.com/gkketch/statuses/421362333227573248">January 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Old Timer from TX]

Strong made his first bad move today by getting rid of Patrick Suddes. Even the guys that run sites like Orangebloods realized how valuable he was in Austin.

If you guys recall, just after Mack Brown was complaining about how our football administrative positions were structured and how he felt something needed to be instituted to control the number of personnel he hired Suddes away from the Tide.

Now with Steele gone to 'Ville I hope he's brought back to Tuscaloosa as the Director of Player Personnel. Most don't realize how valuable guys like Suddes, Steele, and Marynowitz are in how our program is ran.

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#UT Director of Player Personnel Patrick Suddes not coming back. He was key in UT getting off to a fast start with the 2015 class.
— Jason Suchomel (@jsuchomel) January 9, 2014​

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Patrick Suddes was always working, always trying to find more kids, Plan Bs, Plan Cs and Plan Ds, just in case. Was a tremendous asset.
— Kevin Flaherty (@LonghornDigest) January 9, 2014​

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#UT Director of Player Personnel Patrick Suddes not coming back. He was key in UT getting off to a fast start with the 2015 class.
— Jason Suchomel (@jsuchomel) January 9, 2014​

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That Suddes move is a head-scratcher. Really is.
— Kevin Flaherty (@LonghornDigest) January 9, 2014​

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I really thought Suddes was a guy that needed to be retained. He was the most valuable person on staff last year in my mind.
— Geoff Ketchum (@gkketch) January 9, 2014​

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It is arguable regarding the real vs perceived value that Patrick Suddes brought to the recruiting game. The Horns haven't recruited well even with him there though there are several factors involved.

Suddes is going to do alright. He is going to land on his feet and do well at any other program.

I'm not disappointed in the least that Strong got rid of Suddes. It may have nothing to even do with Suddes' performance. Many Longhorn fans knew that the next Texas Head Coach after Mack would clean house. And with all of the negative BS going around when Mack was there, its probably better that everyone in that old program gets the boot.<iframe style="display: none;" allowtransparency="true" id="rufous-sandbox" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>

 

[TerryP]

It is arguable regarding the real vs perceived value that Patrick Suddes brought to the recruiting game. The Horns haven't recruited well even with him there though there are several factors involved.

Suddes is going to do alright. He is going to land on his feet and do well at any other program.

I'm not disappointed in the least that Strong got rid of Suddes. It may have nothing to even do with Suddes' performance. Many Longhorn fans knew that the next Texas Head Coach after Mack would clean house. And with all of the negative BS going around when Mack was there, its probably better that everyone in that old program gets the boot.<iframe style="display: none;" allowtransparency="true" id="rufous-sandbox" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>

You're trying to tell me what value Suddes brought to the recruiting scene?

Geez OT, even the people who misled you so long about your coaching search have stated how much he brought and...

SMH...

 

[bama alum]

I've seen where Siskey is rumored to replace Steele.

 

[Old Timer from TX]

You're trying to tell me what value Suddes brought to the recruiting scene?

Geez OT, even the people who misled you so long about your coaching search have stated how much he brought and...

SMH...

No. I'm not trying to tell you what value Suddes brings to recruiting. What I am saying, however, is that the value he brought to Texas recruiting is arguable whether it was worthwhile or not. Obviously there are multiple variables involved so just because Texas was down in recruiting even while Suddes was there doesn't necessarily mean it was his fault. Certainly, anyone could pin the overall recruiting more on the head coach.

Still, the bottom line is that the Texas program is no longer Mack Brown's and many Longhorn fans, including myself, actually would even prefer a complete house cleaning and a retention of zero former staffers. The only way to truly change the culture of a program, as Texas and Charlie Strong is doing, is to completely overhaul it. Unfortunately, even good people get cut out.

 

[ElephantStomp]

You're trying to tell me what value Suddes brought to the recruiting scene?

Geez OT, even the people who misled you so long about your coaching search have stated how much he brought and...

SMH...

No. I'm not trying to tell you what value Suddes brings to recruiting. What I am saying, however, is that the value he brought to Texas recruiting is arguable whether it was worthwhile or not. Obviously there are multiple variables involved so just because Texas was down in recruiting even while Suddes was there doesn't necessarily mean it was his fault. Certainly, anyone could pin the overall recruiting more on the head coach.

Still, the bottom line is that the Texas program is no longer Mack Brown's and many Longhorn fans, including myself, actually would even prefer a complete house cleaning and a retention of zero former staffers. The only way to truly change the culture of a program, as Texas and Charlie Strong is doing, is to completely overhaul it. Unfortunately, even good people get cut out.

I understand a house cleaning, but getting rid of good recruiters is just stupid plain and simple.

Recruiting being down is all on the head coach especially when a recruit calls said head coach about going to Texas and head coach doesn't answer or return phone call.....Jameis Winston for one

 

[TerryP]

No. I'm not trying to tell you what value Suddes brings to recruiting. What I am saying, however, is that the value he brought to Texas recruiting is arguable whether it was worthwhile or not. Obviously there are multiple variables involved so just because Texas was down in recruiting even while Suddes was there doesn't necessarily mean it was his fault. Certainly, anyone could pin the overall recruiting more on the head coach.

Still, the bottom line is that the Texas program is no longer Mack Brown's and many Longhorn fans, including myself, actually would even prefer a complete house cleaning and a retention of zero former staffers. The only way to truly change the culture of a program, as Texas and Charlie Strong is doing, is to completely overhaul it. Unfortunately, even good people get cut out.

Texas was down in recruiting?

2012 top five class. 2011 top five class. 2010 top five class. 2009 top five class. 2008 top 15 class.

Texas wasn't developing players.

I'm lost when you continue to point to "changing the culture" and removing the "soft underbelly" and Suddes fits that bill to a "T."

I understand, and truly appreciate your defense of things regarding TX. Is it too much to ask of you to try to exercise some honest self-introspection?

I'm still lost on why you believed so adamantly in guys telling you Saban was the guy and now you are going directly against the same people when they say what a value Suddes adds to a program. It's true, you were deceived on the coaching search. Suddes is a completely different story as evidenced by what has been witnessed in the success our administration has had with player development and player personnel.

 

[Old Timer from TX]

Texas was down in recruiting?

2012 top five class. 2011 top five class. 2010 top five class. 2009 top five class. 2008 top 15 class.

Texas wasn't developing players.

I'm lost when you continue to point to "changing the culture" and removing the "soft underbelly" and Suddes fits that bill to a "T."

I understand, and truly appreciate your defense of things regarding TX. Is it too much to ask of you to try to exercise some honest self-introspection?

I'm still lost on why you believed so adamantly in guys telling you Saban was the guy and now you are going directly against the same people when they say what a value Suddes adds to a program. It's true, you were deceived on the coaching search. Suddes is a completely different story as evidenced by what has been witnessed in the success our administration has had with player development and player personnel.

I'd take issue with your assertion that Suddes' value to the Texas program is irreplaceable. That is irrelevant though. The bottom line is that some people who are good coaches, or in Suddes' case, good recruiting coordinators, are going to be cut out when a new head coach is hired. Particularly when a total house cleaning is in order.

 

[TerryP]

I'd take issue with your assertion that Suddes' value to the Texas program is irreplaceable. That is irrelevant though. The bottom line is that some people who are good coaches, or in Suddes' case, good recruiting coordinators, are going to be cut out when a new head coach is hired. Particularly when a total house cleaning is in order.

I'm not suggesting he not replaceable. I'm am saying he's one of the best in the business and finding a replacement isn't as easy as saying, "we want this guy."

I've followed him for...gosh, eight years maybe? He's one of the best in the business.

 

[riz]

No. I'm not trying to tell you what value Suddes brings to recruiting. What I am saying, however, is that the value he brought to Texas recruiting is arguable whether it was worthwhile or not. Obviously there are multiple variables involved so just because Texas was down in recruiting even while Suddes was there doesn't necessarily mean it was his fault. Certainly, anyone could pin the overall recruiting more on the head coach.

Still, the bottom line is that the Texas program is no longer Mack Brown's and many Longhorn fans, including myself, actually would even prefer a complete house cleaning and a retention of zero former staffers. The only way to truly change the culture of a program, as Texas and Charlie Strong is doing, is to completely overhaul it. Unfortunately, even good people get cut out.

Suddes was there for one year. Hardly part of the Mack culture. We'd take him back, I bet.

 

[Old Timer from TX]

I'm not suggesting he not replaceable. I'm am saying he's one of the best in the business and finding a replacement isn't as easy as saying, "we want this guy."

I've followed him for...gosh, eight years maybe? He's one of the best in the business.

Whether or not Suddes is any good is totally irrelevant. For all we know, he may not have bought into the new regime. So, to criticize a new Head Coach for shedding some staff, good or bad, especially when a total overhaul is being asked for, well that's just plain naive and hypercritical.

 

[TerryP]

Whether or not Suddes is any good is totally irrelevant. For all we know, he may not have bought into the new regime. So, to criticize a new Head Coach for shedding some staff, good or bad, especially when a total overhaul is being asked for, well that's just plain naive and hypercritical.

It's not often I'm left speechless, much less dumbfounded.

It's irrelevant if he's any good?

He may have not bought into the new regime yet he embodies the very reason there is a new regime?

And I'm naive?

Damn OT...just damn. SMH, again.