Birmingham announced as latest member of spring Alliance of American Football

[Destiny's Child]

BIRMINGHAM, Alabama — Birmingham will be the seventh city with a team in the new Alliance of American Football.

The spring league, which will begin play the weekend after the Super Bowl in February, announced the addition of the Alabama city on Monday.

Already in the Alliance are San Diego, Atlanta, Orlando, Memphis, Salt Lake City and Phoenix.

Alliance coaches are Steve Spurrier in Orlando, Mike Singletary in Memphis, Brad Childress in Atlanta, Dennis Erickson in Salt Lake City, Rick Neuheisel in Phoenix, and Mike Martz in San Diego. The Birmingham coach will be announced later this week.

Birmingham previously has had teams in the World Football League, World League of American Football, United States Football League, and the XFL.

Birmingham announced as latest member of spring Alliance

And they already lost my business and my sponsorship dollars by making a political statement. The mayor has already fucked them within the first hour of promotion. Texted Colin Kap and told him B'ham is famous for fighting "social injustice" come and play here.

If he came, the team would bomb completely because of the demographic here. Second, just mentioning his name in conjunction with it, will keep me from investing sponsorship $ until after I see the product on the field and the demographic in the stands. If they take away the white, wealthy conservative fans then my clients will be out as that is a major portion of their desired demo.

Keep politics out of sports!

If folks don't want it to be political, remove politics from sports.

No more presidential visits, no more anthems or flag unfurlings, no more military flyovers and flag waving. No tax dollars used to 'salute the troops' at NFL games, paid advertisements and propaganda events for the military, excuses to get votes from bought and sold 'patriotism', etc.

It's a sport, not a 4th of July parade. It's literally a bunch of dudes playing with a ball on grass.

If we're gonna pull this crap, let's not pretend that the players have suddenly brought the politics in by coming out against social injustice. We've all had politics shoved down our throats for years, all so Uncle Sam can boost enlistment numbers and profit from a mass-produced and bogus form of Americanism.

There is no reason we have to do the same crap North Korea does (showy, forced 'patriotism' at sporting events, all paid for by the feds from our own hard earned dollars) while the rest of the world stares at us in amusement.

Hell, NFL players didn't even come out for the anthem until 2009. Do it before player introductions like they did for decades. Problem solved.

The anthem, white house visits, flag unfurlings, military flyovers and the like.. aren't political. Being patriotic isn't a political action it is an American one and every American should be thankful for our military and the people who came before us. Without them there is no us.

Being Patriotic, proud of your country, isn't bad. We shouldn't be ashamed of it. It doesn't make you a Republican because you support our military, our constitution or our Flag. These should be every American qualities.

If as a citizen you don't love our country then find a new one you like better..

 

[Che Boludo]

BIRMINGHAM, Alabama — Birmingham will be the seventh city with a team in the new Alliance of American Football.

The spring league, which will begin play the weekend after the Super Bowl in February, announced the addition of the Alabama city on Monday.

Already in the Alliance are San Diego, Atlanta, Orlando, Memphis, Salt Lake City and Phoenix.

Alliance coaches are Steve Spurrier in Orlando, Mike Singletary in Memphis, Brad Childress in Atlanta, Dennis Erickson in Salt Lake City, Rick Neuheisel in Phoenix, and Mike Martz in San Diego. The Birmingham coach will be announced later this week.

Birmingham previously has had teams in the World Football League, World League of American Football, United States Football League, and the XFL.

Birmingham announced as latest member of spring Alliance

And they already lost my business and my sponsorship dollars by making a political statement. The mayor has already fucked them within the first hour of promotion. Texted Colin Kap and told him B'ham is famous for fighting "social injustice" come and play here.

If he came, the team would bomb completely because of the demographic here. Second, just mentioning his name in conjunction with it, will keep me from investing sponsorship $ until after I see the product on the field and the demographic in the stands. If they take away the white, wealthy conservative fans then my clients will be out as that is a major portion of their desired demo.

Keep politics out of sports!

If folks don't want it to be political, remove politics from sports.

No more presidential visits, no more anthems or flag unfurlings, no more military flyovers and flag waving. No tax dollars used to 'salute the troops' at NFL games, paid advertisements and propaganda events for the military, excuses to get votes from bought and sold 'patriotism', etc.

It's a sport, not a 4th of July parade. It's literally a bunch of dudes playing with a ball on grass.

If we're gonna pull this crap, let's not pretend that the players have suddenly brought the politics in by coming out against social injustice. We've all had politics shoved down our throats for years, all so Uncle Sam can boost enlistment numbers and profit from a mass-produced and bogus form of Americanism.

There is no reason we have to do the same crap North Korea does (showy, forced 'patriotism' at sporting events, all paid for by the feds from our own hard earned dollars) while the rest of the world stares at us in amusement.

Hell, NFL players didn't even come out for the anthem until 2009. Do it before player introductions like they did for decades. Problem solved.

I have zero issue with his kneeling or most of your post outside of some of the 1960ish rant on the dangers and corruption of the military industrial complex. FWIW: the DoD marketing funds foot the bill for most every military/vet support item you mentioned. It is simply the military buying a commercial, not merely state brainwashing and forced cooperation of the masses aided freely by the NFL.

That aside, the flag, our military, football, and baseball are cultural symbols of Americana, which hold a symbolism that goes beyond a mere game played on grass. For that, it is not so easy to unlink the flag from the sport, so politics (and the miltary which is an extension of politics by other means) and sport will always be intertwined to a degree. While kneeling is a simple act, the narrative becomes political and stands as an afront to the cultural symbols we do hold dear as Americans ... like God, momma, Chevrolet, and Apple pie. So, it is not just ultra-right, neo-con uber patriots that are mindlessly following along like sheep that are affecting the business end of the NFL. It has spilled over to a lot larger audience on both sides of the aisle. That is the part the NFL has bungled in trying to sever for the good of the sport.

The kneeling, the flag, the military, the patriots (for which I am saddened that today's climate has made this term perjorative), etc are not the issue. It is political divide in the nation that exploited an opportunity to politicize an event that left the NFL struggling to put back in the box.

I don't fault Kapernick (in fact, I admire that he has taken a healthy approach to protest and backed it up on word and deed) and I don't fault the NFL, I fault ourselves for falling prey to political rhetoric and sensationalist media. We're a brash, closeminded society that let the connection of the flag to sports transcend into a political mvmt.

 

[JoshB]

And they already lost my business and my sponsorship dollars by making a political statement. The mayor has already fucked them within the first hour of promotion. Texted Colin Kap and told him B'ham is famous for fighting "social injustice" come and play here.

If he came, the team would bomb completely because of the demographic here. Second, just mentioning his name in conjunction with it, will keep me from investing sponsorship $ until after I see the product on the field and the demographic in the stands. If they take away the white, wealthy conservative fans then my clients will be out as that is a major portion of their desired demo.

Keep politics out of sports!

After that tirade, we would have to quarantine you first and foremost to keep politics out of it. You do realize he is a very good QB?

Doesn't matter. He disrespects the flag, it is insulting to patriotic Americans and veterans, it has damaged the NFL and the teams who depend on the dollars associated with the group it offends. His actions are disgusting to me, the clients I represent and their primary audience so he lost my business until I see the product and that the type of crowd that attends.

PS. He is a below average quarterback, with a ton of baggage. Not a "very good QB"

How does he disrespect the flag? A veteran was the one who recommended he kneel.

His actions can disgust you, but they don't disgust everyone. Your type of 'patriotism' and the veterans you reference are not a 'one size fits all' for every American. I know vets who support him, and vets who oppose him. Ditto plebs like myself.

Hi Philly.

I am a Vet. It disgusts me and every other vet I personally know. Standing for the flag, removing your hat and showing respect for the people who fought and died for it used to be a given. Now, people use it as a time for political posturing not time set aside to honor the men and women who make it possible for them to play an game for a living.

Not only is it offensive but there is no basis for it either. Please share the social injustice he is struggling with.. being a millionaire? Can't go to college? can't vote for his leaders, taxation without representation, segregation?... nope nothing. He grew up in a wealthy neighborhood, went to college and hasn't known a time in his adult life when he wasn't wealthy.

The NFL knows that this dilemma is killing their attendance, their TV viewership, sky box sales, sponsorships and all of this will affect the owners ability to make money. This is why they passed the new rule..trying to save face. If the players continue to do it they will only be sealing their own fate to a) be undesirable to teams b) or make less money because there is less to go around.

This is such a weird argument to me and shows how selfish our society is. You have to personally suffer a social injustice to stand up against it according to some people...

NFL reached $17 billion last year, the most in league history, yeah they're really hurting. The reason they added the rule is the same reason they black balled Kaepernick in the first place, they are freaking cowards and they worry about our cry baby in chief. Trump lies about Amazon and their stocks tank. The NFL knows that if the cry baby keeps it up the same could start happening to them.

 

[JoshB]

BIRMINGHAM, Alabama — Birmingham will be the seventh city with a team in the new Alliance of American Football.

The spring league, which will begin play the weekend after the Super Bowl in February, announced the addition of the Alabama city on Monday.

Already in the Alliance are San Diego, Atlanta, Orlando, Memphis, Salt Lake City and Phoenix.

Alliance coaches are Steve Spurrier in Orlando, Mike Singletary in Memphis, Brad Childress in Atlanta, Dennis Erickson in Salt Lake City, Rick Neuheisel in Phoenix, and Mike Martz in San Diego. The Birmingham coach will be announced later this week.

Birmingham previously has had teams in the World Football League, World League of American Football, United States Football League, and the XFL.

Birmingham announced as latest member of spring Alliance

And they already lost my business and my sponsorship dollars by making a political statement. The mayor has already fucked them within the first hour of promotion. Texted Colin Kap and told him B'ham is famous for fighting "social injustice" come and play here.

If he came, the team would bomb completely because of the demographic here. Second, just mentioning his name in conjunction with it, will keep me from investing sponsorship $ until after I see the product on the field and the demographic in the stands. If they take away the white, wealthy conservative fans then my clients will be out as that is a major portion of their desired demo.

Keep politics out of sports!

If folks don't want it to be political, remove politics from sports.

No more presidential visits, no more anthems or flag unfurlings, no more military flyovers and flag waving. No tax dollars used to 'salute the troops' at NFL games, paid advertisements and propaganda events for the military, excuses to get votes from bought and sold 'patriotism', etc.

It's a sport, not a 4th of July parade. It's literally a bunch of dudes playing with a ball on grass.

If we're gonna pull this crap, let's not pretend that the players have suddenly brought the politics in by coming out against social injustice. We've all had politics shoved down our throats for years, all so Uncle Sam can boost enlistment numbers and profit from a mass-produced and bogus form of Americanism.

There is no reason we have to do the same crap North Korea does (showy, forced 'patriotism' at sporting events, all paid for by the feds from our own hard earned dollars) while the rest of the world stares at us in amusement.

Hell, NFL players didn't even come out for the anthem until 2009. Do it before player introductions like they did for decades. Problem solved.

I have zero issue with his kneeling or most of your post outside of some of the 1960ish rant on the dangers and corruption of the military industrial complex. FWIW: the DoD marketing funds foot the bill for most every military/vet support item you mentioned. It is simply the military buying a commercial, not merely state brainwashing and forced cooperation of the masses aided freely by the NFL.

That aside, the flag, our military, football, and baseball are cultural symbols of Americana, which hold a symbolism that goes beyond a mere game played on grass. For that, it is not so easy to unlink the flag from the sport, so politics (and the miltary which is an extension of politics by other means) and sport will always be intertwined to a degree. While kneeling is a simple act, the narrative becomes political and stands as an afront to the cultural symbols we do hold dear as Americans ... like God, momma, Chevrolet, and Apple pie. So, it is not just ultra-right, neo-con uber patriots that are mindlessly following along like sheep that are affecting the business end of the NFL. It has spilled over to a lot larger audience on both sides of the aisle. That is the part the NFL has bungled in trying to sever for the good of the sport.

The kneeling, the flag, the military, the patriots (for which I am saddened that today's climate has made this term perjorative), etc are not the issue. It is political divide in the nation that exploited an opportunity to politicize an event that left the NFL struggling to put back in the box.

I don't fault Kapernick (in fact, I admire that he has taken a healthy approach to protest and backed it up on word and deed) and I don't fault the NFL, I fault ourselves for falling prey to political rhetoric and sensationalist media. We're a brash, closeminded society that let the connection of the flag to sports transcend into a political mvmt.

It's easy to simply blame the media but why does the media harp on it? Because it drives clicks and ratings. If people weren't so obsessed with everyone being forced to act and think exactly alike, and just let the players do what they were doing eventually less and less players would have even done it (I mean by the end of 2017 I dont even remember more than a few doing it, you saw more things like what Philly and Dallas were doing with standing arm and arm or with a hand on each others back). All of the outrage (alot if it fake outrage) created the controversy, which ironically did exactly what Kaepernick's entire point was (to drive discussion about the things he said he was kneeling in protest of).

 

[Destiny's Child]

And they already lost my business and my sponsorship dollars by making a political statement. The mayor has already fucked them within the first hour of promotion. Texted Colin Kap and told him B'ham is famous for fighting "social injustice" come and play here.

If he came, the team would bomb completely because of the demographic here. Second, just mentioning his name in conjunction with it, will keep me from investing sponsorship $ until after I see the product on the field and the demographic in the stands. If they take away the white, wealthy conservative fans then my clients will be out as that is a major portion of their desired demo.

Keep politics out of sports!

After that tirade, we would have to quarantine you first and foremost to keep politics out of it. You do realize he is a very good QB?

Doesn't matter. He disrespects the flag, it is insulting to patriotic Americans and veterans, it has damaged the NFL and the teams who depend on the dollars associated with the group it offends. His actions are disgusting to me, the clients I represent and their primary audience so he lost my business until I see the product and that the type of crowd that attends.

PS. He is a below average quarterback, with a ton of baggage. Not a "very good QB"

How does he disrespect the flag? A veteran was the one who recommended he kneel.

His actions can disgust you, but they don't disgust everyone. Your type of 'patriotism' and the veterans you reference are not a 'one size fits all' for every American. I know vets who support him, and vets who oppose him. Ditto plebs like myself.

Hi Philly.

I am a Vet. It disgusts me and every other vet I personally know. Standing for the flag, removing your hat and showing respect for the people who fought and died for it used to be a given. Now, people use it as a time for political posturing not time set aside to honor the men and women who make it possible for them to play an game for a living.

Not only is it offensive but there is no basis for it either. Please share the social injustice he is struggling with.. being a millionaire? Can't go to college? can't vote for his leaders, taxation without representation, segregation?... nope nothing. He grew up in a wealthy neighborhood, went to college and hasn't known a time in his adult life when he wasn't wealthy.

The NFL knows that this dilemma is killing their attendance, their TV viewership, sky box sales, sponsorships and all of this will affect the owners ability to make money. This is why they passed the new rule..trying to save face. If the players continue to do it they will only be sealing their own fate to a) be undesirable to teams b) or make less money because there is less to go around.

This is such a weird argument to me and shows how selfish our society is. You have to personally suffer a social injustice to stand up against it according to some people...

NFL reached $17 billion last year, the most in league history, yeah they're really hurting. The reason they added the rule is the same reason they black balled Kaepernick in the first place, they are freaking cowards and they worry about our cry baby in chief. Trump lies about Amazon and their stocks tank. The NFL knows that if the cry baby keeps it up the same could start happening to them.

Well genius.. instead point out where there is any injustice for African Americans (black people) today. Kapernick doesn't have a job because he is a below average back up quarterback who offends the people who buy tickets, skyboxes and people who watch football at home.. he wasn't blackballed.. he just isn't worth the drama you have to put up with. Same reason Tim Tebow doesn't have a job but two completely different causes.

The owners recognize the problem because they are the ones trying to renew season tickets and sell sponsors and skyboxes right now. They know the TV ratings where down 20-30% across the board, stadiums where half empty and the value of their tv contract and radio contracts will be effected.

You are the one who brings Trump into this, he has no bearing on my opinion. Nor does he have an impact on the owners like that.. they have their own reasons called dollars.

 

[TUSKtimes]

The anthem, white house visits, flag unfurlings, military flyovers and the like.. aren't political. Being patriotic isn't a political action it is an American one and every American should be thankful for our military and the people who came before us. Without them there is no us.

Being Patriotic, proud of your country, isn't bad. We shouldn't be ashamed of it. It doesn't make you a Republican because you support our military, our constitution or our Flag. These should be every American qualities.

If as a citizen you don't love our country then find a new one you like better..

You're still living on the edge and loving it I see. You spend a few sentences defining what you think love of country is then invite everyone out of the country that doesn't fit your description. Mighty white of you. I personally don't know too many families that don't have military members back to the civil war and revolution, so hardly any of us would be that uninformed on what patriotism actually is.

How about this for love of country and being a good citizen. Pay your taxes, all of them. Be faithful to your wife and family. Spend quality time with them. Obey the laws of the land. Treat other people exactly how you want to be treated. I personally know a lot of folks who stand for the anthem and enjoy raising a flag around the old homestead who just can't seem to get any of the other things I just mentioned even remotely right. You have your definition, I have mine.

 

[Destiny's Child]

The anthem, white house visits, flag unfurlings, military flyovers and the like.. aren't political. Being patriotic isn't a political action it is an American one and every American should be thankful for our military and the people who came before us. Without them there is no us.

Being Patriotic, proud of your country, isn't bad. We shouldn't be ashamed of it. It doesn't make you a Republican because you support our military, our constitution or our Flag. These should be every American qualities.

If as a citizen you don't love our country then find a new one you like better..

You're still living on the edge and loving it I see. You spend a few sentences defining what you think love of country is then invite everyone out of the country that doesn't fit your description. Mighty white of you. I personally don't know too many families that don't have military members back to the civil war and revolution, so hardly any of us would be that uninformed on what patriotism actually is.

How about this for love of country and being a good citizen. Pay your taxes, all of them. Be faithful to your wife and family. Spend quality time with them. Obey the laws of the land. Treat other people exactly how you want to be treated. I personally know a lot of folks who stand for the anthem and enjoy raising a flag around the old homestead who just can't seem to get any of the other things I just mentioned even remotely right. You have your definition, I have mine.

How did I invite everyone out who doesn't agree with me. You are putting words in my mouth. I said if as a citizen you don't love our country then find a new one you like better?

The rest of your statement doesn't even make sense so it is hard to respond to..lol It sounds like how we should live our lives nothing about patriotism but it's your opinion so it can't be wrong to you..so you have that going for you.. which is nice.

 

[TUSKtimes]

How did I invite everyone out who doesn't agree with me. You are putting words in my mouth. I said if as a citizen you don't love our country then find a new one you like better?

And I say, love can only be known by the action it prompts. Give it some thought. If you love your country and are indeed a good citizen than you pay your taxes, accept responsibility for your family, Obey the laws of the land you say you love. Treat others with the concern you want from others, etc, etc.

Now, if that's not you, standing at attention for about 3 minutes with your hand over your heart while they play the national anthem hardly makes you a good citizen or a lover of your country.

Maybe you need to find another place to live. I don't want you messing up my neighborhood.

 

['65 Cobra]

The truly humorous thing about all of this is that if it wasn't for his modern-day Yoko, dude would've never knelt or even given a crap to begin with.

 

[JoshB]

And they already lost my business and my sponsorship dollars by making a political statement. The mayor has already fucked them within the first hour of promotion. Texted Colin Kap and told him B'ham is famous for fighting "social injustice" come and play here.

If he came, the team would bomb completely because of the demographic here. Second, just mentioning his name in conjunction with it, will keep me from investing sponsorship $ until after I see the product on the field and the demographic in the stands. If they take away the white, wealthy conservative fans then my clients will be out as that is a major portion of their desired demo.

Keep politics out of sports!

After that tirade, we would have to quarantine you first and foremost to keep politics out of it. You do realize he is a very good QB?

Doesn't matter. He disrespects the flag, it is insulting to patriotic Americans and veterans, it has damaged the NFL and the teams who depend on the dollars associated with the group it offends. His actions are disgusting to me, the clients I represent and their primary audience so he lost my business until I see the product and that the type of crowd that attends.

PS. He is a below average quarterback, with a ton of baggage. Not a "very good QB"

How does he disrespect the flag? A veteran was the one who recommended he kneel.

His actions can disgust you, but they don't disgust everyone. Your type of 'patriotism' and the veterans you reference are not a 'one size fits all' for every American. I know vets who support him, and vets who oppose him. Ditto plebs like myself.

Hi Philly.

I am a Vet. It disgusts me and every other vet I personally know. Standing for the flag, removing your hat and showing respect for the people who fought and died for it used to be a given. Now, people use it as a time for political posturing not time set aside to honor the men and women who make it possible for them to play an game for a living.

Not only is it offensive but there is no basis for it either. Please share the social injustice he is struggling with.. being a millionaire? Can't go to college? can't vote for his leaders, taxation without representation, segregation?... nope nothing. He grew up in a wealthy neighborhood, went to college and hasn't known a time in his adult life when he wasn't wealthy.

The NFL knows that this dilemma is killing their attendance, their TV viewership, sky box sales, sponsorships and all of this will affect the owners ability to make money. This is why they passed the new rule..trying to save face. If the players continue to do it they will only be sealing their own fate to a) be undesirable to teams b) or make less money because there is less to go around.

This is such a weird argument to me and shows how selfish our society is. You have to personally suffer a social injustice to stand up against it according to some people...

NFL reached $17 billion last year, the most in league history, yeah they're really hurting. The reason they added the rule is the same reason they black balled Kaepernick in the first place, they are freaking cowards and they worry about our cry baby in chief. Trump lies about Amazon and their stocks tank. The NFL knows that if the cry baby keeps it up the same could start happening to them.

Well genius.. instead point out where there is any injustice for African Americans (black people) today. Kapernick doesn't have a job because he is a below average back up quarterback who offends the people who buy tickets, skyboxes and people who watch football at home.. he wasn't blackballed.. he just isn't worth the drama you have to put up with. Same reason Tim Tebow doesn't have a job but two completely different causes.

The owners recognize the problem because they are the ones trying to renew season tickets and sell sponsors and skyboxes right now. They know the TV ratings where down 20-30% across the board, stadiums where half empty and the value of their tv contract and radio contracts will be effected.

You are the one who brings Trump into this, he has no bearing on my opinion. Nor does he have an impact on the owners like that.. they have their own reasons called dollars.

Well genius... the factthat blacks are three times more likely to get locked up for non-violent drug offenses despite the fact that blacks and whites do and sell drugs at the same rate and their are literally millions more white people... the factthat poor, predominantly black neighborhoods are completely ignored (especially the schools)... the fact that we CONTINUEto see unarmed black people assaulted and even murder by police officers (and then get off)... the fact that blacks are more likely to get a harsh penalty for the same exact crime that a white person gets far less time for... the fact that still in this day, a white person with the same exact qualifications as a black person isfar more likely to get the same job the two apply for... need any more, genius?

TV ratings were down 9.7% in the NFL last year. TV across the board was downAT LEAST that much. NBA's ratings dropped 20 percent. No controversy. Its called chord cutting. Look it up.

Half empty? Seriously?
2017 total NFL attendance: 17.26 MILLION
2016 total NFL attendance: 17.79 MILLION
2015 total NFL attendance: 17.26 MILLION
2014 total NFL attendance: 17.36 MILLION
2013 total NFL attendance: 17.03 MILLION
2012 total NFL attendance: 17.18 MILLION

Got anything else you wanna make up?

 

[planomateo]

NFL viewership has declined 17% in the last 2 years...that's very significant, even in cord-cutting times. From what I recall, Nielsen is scrambling to address the gap of OTA ratings. Perhaps the number isn't as bad as it seems? The fact the NFL is fining teams for the upcoming season speaks differently. It's probably a bit of both, cord-cutting and NFL problem.

I didn't watch an NFL game last year, but I wasn't a big NFL fan anyways.

Why can't people respect other peoples opinions? Why does everyone have to argue with others about their own opinion? This is the fundamental problem with society. #BlamesSocialMedia

 

[Che Boludo]

it's easy to simply blame the media but why does the media harp on it?

I feel like our point here is the same or at least very close.

We, society as a whole, are absolutely at fault. Politicians and media simply leverage that to their advantage for power, popularity, and $. That makes them a product of the environment, but that action also perpetuates the bad in the environment.

My point is that a movement of true statesmen honestly seeking to unite a divided society and a media that truly sought to be fair and balanced in practice could help tremendously. But, people waking up to realize diving into social, ideological and class warfare leads to the bipolar political situation we are in, which genuinely represents a greater threat to our national security than anything else.

Diversity of thought and cultures has been the strength of our country and truly has been its defining characteristic since inception. We don't have to agree. A healthy debate is the best thing for progress. But, that requires listening to each other in an honest attempt to better understand the whole situation, which leads to empathy and a broadened worldview. Instead we get entrenched viewpoints that lead to extremes and a nation , to include its civic leaders, looking to troll and take cheapshots vs. Seeking understanding or leading.

 

[JoshB]

NFL viewership has declined 17% in the last 2 years...that's very significant, even in cord-cutting times. From what I recall, Nielsen is scrambling to address the gap of OTA ratings. Perhaps the number isn't as bad as it seems? The fact the NFL is fining teams for the upcoming season speaks differently. It's probably a bit of both, cord-cutting and NFL problem.

I didn't watch an NFL game last year, but I wasn't a big NFL fan anyways.

Why can't people respect other peoples opinions? Why does everyone have to argue with others about their own opinion? This is the fundamental problem with society. #BlamesSocialMedia

Ratings are down, literally across the board (with the exception of cable news ironically), but for some reason, the NFL's ratings (or ESPN to a lesser extent) are the only ones people point to (likely because it backs up their claims). I have no doubt there is a certain group that stopped watching in protest but it was a tiny sub section. There are so many options to watch rather than traditional TV that eventually cable/satellite providers are going to either a) die or b) completely change their way of doing business.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

And they already lost my business and my sponsorship dollars by making a political statement. The mayor has already fucked them within the first hour of promotion. Texted Colin Kap and told him B'ham is famous for fighting "social injustice" come and play here.

If he came, the team would bomb completely because of the demographic here. Second, just mentioning his name in conjunction with it, will keep me from investing sponsorship $ until after I see the product on the field and the demographic in the stands. If they take away the white, wealthy conservative fans then my clients will be out as that is a major portion of their desired demo.

Keep politics out of sports!

After that tirade, we would have to quarantine you first and foremost to keep politics out of it. You do realize he is a very good QB?

Doesn't matter. He disrespects the flag, it is insulting to patriotic Americans and veterans, it has damaged the NFL and the teams who depend on the dollars associated with the group it offends. His actions are disgusting to me, the clients I represent and their primary audience so he lost my business until I see the product and that the type of crowd that attends.

PS. He is a below average quarterback, with a ton of baggage. Not a "very good QB"

How does he disrespect the flag? A veteran was the one who recommended he kneel.

His actions can disgust you, but they don't disgust everyone. Your type of 'patriotism' and the veterans you reference are not a 'one size fits all' for every American. I know vets who support him, and vets who oppose him. Ditto plebs like myself.

Hi Philly.

I am a Vet. It disgusts me and every other vet I personally know. Standing for the flag, removing your hat and showing respect for the people who fought and died for it used to be a given. Now, people use it as a time for political posturing not time set aside to honor the men and women who make it possible for them to play an game for a living.

Not only is it offensive but there is no basis for it either. Please share the social injustice he is struggling with.. being a millionaire? Can't go to college? can't vote for his leaders, taxation without representation, segregation?... nope nothing. He grew up in a wealthy neighborhood, went to college and hasn't known a time in his adult life when he wasn't wealthy.

The NFL knows that this dilemma is killing their attendance, their TV viewership, sky box sales, sponsorships and all of this will affect the owners ability to make money. This is why they passed the new rule..trying to save face. If the players continue to do it they will only be sealing their own fate to a) be undesirable to teams b) or make less money because there is less to go around.

You got it brother...

 

[Destiny's Child]

How did I invite everyone out who doesn't agree with me. You are putting words in my mouth. I said if as a citizen you don't love our country then find a new one you like better?

And I say, love can only be known by the action it prompts. Give it some thought. If you love your country and are indeed a good citizen than you pay your taxes, accept responsibility for your family, Obey the laws of the land you say you love. Treat others with the concern you want from others, etc, etc.

Now, if that's not you, standing at attention for about 3 minutes with your hand over your heart while they play the national anthem hardly makes you a good citizen or a lover of your country.

Maybe you need to find another place to live. I don't want you messing up my neighborhood.

I am guessing you are younger than 30... just a shot in the dark.

There is a difference between a good citizen and being patriotic and respectful. I fought for the right for you to be able to express your opinion but some people make me regret that at times..lol
Don't worry you wont be living in my neighborhood because judging by your responses you wouldn't feel comfortable around me or my neighbors. The first time you wore a hat, failed to stop or honor the flag someone would knock your hat off your head or jerk a knot in your tail.

 

[TUSKtimes]

I am guessing you are younger than 30... just a shot in the dark.

There is a difference between a good citizen and being patriotic and respectful. I fought for the right for you to be able to express your opinion but some people make me regret that at times..lol
Don't worry you wont be living in my neighborhood because judging by your responses you wouldn't feel comfortable around me or my neighbors. The first time you wore a hat, failed to stop or honor the flag someone would knock your hat off your head or jerk a knot in your tail.

You must not spend much time over here. As much time as I've spoken of coach Bryant and his contributions. As a youngster, I was there the year coach Bryant busted out the wishbone in Legion field with Musso and Terry Davis. I was in Legion field vs Kentucky when coach Bryant won his 300th game. I was sitting in Legion field when coach Bryant won his 315th game vs the barn to become the all time winningest coach of college football. Slightly over 30.

You like to make yourself understood when you speak and that's fine with me. I don't like the way you measure who gets to be a good citizen. I don't like your value system that centers itself around your single definition of patriotism, love it or leave it.

You didn't fight for me, you were fighting for your beliefs. I have spent my life fighting for mine. The biggest contrast between us that I can see is that I can easily live with the difference, you, and apparently, your neighbors, can not.

 

[JoshB]

How did I invite everyone out who doesn't agree with me. You are putting words in my mouth. I said if as a citizen you don't love our country then find a new one you like better?

And I say, love can only be known by the action it prompts. Give it some thought. If you love your country and are indeed a good citizen than you pay your taxes, accept responsibility for your family, Obey the laws of the land you say you love. Treat others with the concern you want from others, etc, etc.

Now, if that's not you, standing at attention for about 3 minutes with your hand over your heart while they play the national anthem hardly makes you a good citizen or a lover of your country.

Maybe you need to find another place to live. I don't want you messing up my neighborhood.

I am guessing you are younger than 30... just a shot in the dark.

There is a difference between a good citizen and being patriotic and respectful. I fought for the right for you to be able to express your opinion but some people make me regret that at times..lol
Don't worry you wont be living in my neighborhood because judging by your responses you wouldn't feel comfortable around me or my neighbors. The first time you wore a hat, failed to stop or honor the flag someone would knock your hat off your head or jerk a knot in your tail.

I find it so hilarious that people like you preach about patriotism and respect but also are one of the first people that will be happy to literally assault another person for doing something you don't like. Sorry to burst your bubble but your right to be a dick doesn't overwrite the rights of everyone else.

This is what's so infuriating, too. I 100% support all of these players (or anyone else) that chooses to peacefully protest but I personally have never once not stood for the anthem. Even last year with a broken leg, my big ass got up and stood for it. That's my own personal choice, though and I dont feel like I need to yell at someone else or threaten to assault them for doing differently. You think people like these players that have protested are the problem. No, my friend, your mindset is the problem.

 

[JoshB]

I am guessing you are younger than 30... just a shot in the dark.

There is a difference between a good citizen and being patriotic and respectful. I fought for the right for you to be able to express your opinion but some people make me regret that at times..lol
Don't worry you wont be living in my neighborhood because judging by your responses you wouldn't feel comfortable around me or my neighbors. The first time you wore a hat, failed to stop or honor the flag someone would knock your hat off your head or jerk a knot in your tail.

You must not spend much time over here. As much time as I've spoken of coach Bryant and his contributions. As a youngster, I was there the year coach Bryant busted out the wishbone in Legion field with Musso and Terry Davis. I was in Legion field vs Kentucky when coach Bryant won his 300th game. I was sitting in Legion field when coach Bryant won his 315th game vs the barn to become the all time winningest coach of college football. Slightly over 30.

You like to make yourself understood when you speak and that's fine with me. I don't like the way you measure who gets to be a good citizen. I don't like your value system that centers itself around your single definition of patriotism, love it or leave it.

You didn't fight for me, you were fighting for your beliefs. I have spent my life fighting for mine. The biggest contrast between us that I can see is that I can easily live with the difference, you, and apparently, your neighbors, can not.

You may not like me 90% of the time but I have to say that it is a breath of fresh air to see an older person not being completely and utterly ignorant. I applaud you.

 

[rolltide66]

the fact that this has become a pissing contest... Anti Trump, Pro Trump, Anti NFL Pro NFL... shows how diversive this as become and I would think that the NFL (because it is a for profit entity) would be justified for benching anyone that puts profits in jeopardy. If the players wish to march of social justice, then there are plenty of organizations to participate in and demonstrate for these causes.
As a vet, I support their rights to show their asses, and I also support my right to not watch their asses. There is a misconception in the nation that if someone wishes to infringe on my rights because they think theirs override others, then everyone has to sit back and allow them their space. Not So... the rights of the one do not override the rights of the other one. Piss in my yard, my dog will bite your ass. Try to make me watch your demonstrations... my tv goes off and my wallet closes to your organization.
Pease be with you my brothers, I will never ask for your rehiring nor watch your asses play anything.
But I could be mistaken

 

[Destiny's Child]

NFL viewership has declined 17% in the last 2 years...that's very significant, even in cord-cutting times. From what I recall, Nielsen is scrambling to address the gap of OTA ratings. Perhaps the number isn't as bad as it seems? The fact the NFL is fining teams for the upcoming season speaks differently. It's probably a bit of both, cord-cutting and NFL problem.

I didn't watch an NFL game last year, but I wasn't a big NFL fan anyways.

Why can't people respect other peoples opinions? Why does everyone have to argue with others about their own opinion? This is the fundamental problem with society. #BlamesSocialMedia

Cord cutting only affects those games played on cable. The ones on the broadcast channels are still able to generate a true rating. The cord cutting is just an excuse.
I didn't watch a game either but somehow that make me racist. I completely disagree with Kapernick but he has the right to do it.. the owners have the right not to employ him for it and I have the right not to watch it until the league fixes the issue.
As a vet I have the right to be pissed about someone disrespecting the flag or the men and women who fought for it and as an American citizen anyone else who it pisses off can express it too.