🏈 ⚾ #23 Alabama at #19 Troy - Tide finishes the season undefeated in mid week games with a 10-2 win over Troy

[TerryP]

This also means Bama finishes 24-1 in non conference play this season.

@OldPlayer just trying to make up stats on a lazy afternoon.

 

[OldPlayer]

This also means Bama finishes 24-1 in non conference play this season.

@OldPlayer just trying to make up stats on a lazy afternoon.

24-1 in non-conference games is a legit stat. It shows strength of schedule.

 

[TerryP]

24-1 in non-conference games is a legit stat. It shows strength of schedule.

The one loss came to Presbyterian during a weekend series: it was the Saturday or Sunday game. I can't recall which.

Every one of the mid-week wins Bama notched this year were against non-con teams. Going undefeated in these games is what led to the 24-1 record. I don't understand how one can be a legit stat, while the other can't.

 

[OldPlayer]

The one loss came to Presbyterian during a weekend series: it was the Saturday or Sunday game. I can't recall which.

Every one of the mid-week wins Bama notched this year were against non-con teams. Going undefeated in these games is what led to the 24-1 record. I don't understand how one can be a legit stat, while the other can't.

At the end of the season and teams are being ranked for possible postseason play, OOC games can be a factor. Whether the games were midweek or weekend is irrelevant.

 

[TerryP]

Whether the games were midweek or weekend is irrelevant.

Ok, if that is your view, explain to me how winning mid-week games boosts RPI, a determining factor in getting an invitation, but it is also irrelevant?

They affect the overall record: determining factor in getting an invitation.

If they don't affect the invitation, they certainly affect location of where a team plays in a regional.

Bama comes off a mid-week win, over a team ranked higher than they are, but it's irrelevant?

I don't understand why you are "hating" on an accomplishment: a noteworthy feat.

I'm failing to see the logic or the reasoning.

 

[TerryP]

@Brandon Van de Graaff the three Q1's

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

@Brandon Van de Graaff the three Q1's

That's how I see it as well... Main issue IMO is so many SEC teams log jammed there near the hosting bubble... there's 10 teams that all have a good shot, but the committee ain't putting 10 SEC teams in there... Bama needs to paddle hard if they want to make the cut.

 

[OldPlayer]

Ok, if that is your view, explain to me how winning mid-week games boosts RPI, a determining factor in getting an invitation, but it is also irrelevant?

They affect the overall record: determining factor in getting an invitation.

If they don't affect the invitation, they certainly affect location of where a team plays in a regional.

Bama comes off a mid-week win, over a team ranked higher than they are, but it's irrelevant?

I don't understand why you are "hating" on an accomplishment: a noteworthy feat.

I'm failing to see the logic or the reasoning.

Midweek or weekend games are not a factor in RPI calculations. The formula evaluates a team's strength of schedule and its overall performance, factoring in their winning percentage, their opponents' winning percentage, and their opponents' opponents' winning percentage. Day of the week is irrelevant.

 

[Rolltide24]

Ok, if that is your view, explain to me how winning mid-week games boosts RPI, a determining factor in getting an invitation, but it is also irrelevant?

Are you saying a mid-week game is weighted differently in RPI calculations, than a weekend game? I’ve never heard that before. I thought the day of the week had no bearing.

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

Are you saying a mid-week game is weighted differently in RPI calculations, than a weekend game? I’ve never heard that before. I thought the day of the week had no bearing.

Pretty sure he’s just pointing out that some midweek games are Q1 and Q2 quality games for a team like Bama.

 

[TerryP]

Midweek or weekend games are not a factor in RPI calculations. The formula evaluates a team's strength of schedule and its overall performance, factoring in their winning percentage, their opponents' winning percentage, and their opponents' opponents' winning percentage. Day of the week is irrelevant.

Around fifty words. I'll assume 30 words a minute typing. It took less than a minute and a half for you to contradict yourself.

It makes no sense.

 

[TerryP]

Are you saying a mid-week game is weighted differently in RPI calculations, than a weekend game? I’ve never heard that before. I thought the day of the week had no bearing.

I said no such thing; nor did I hint at such.

Remember...

This whole conversation started after Alabama reached a statistical milestone in the programs history and we're being told "it's a made up stat." As far as attitudes are concerned...trying to throw a wet rag over what these players were able to do this season?

It reminds me of a conversation had on this forum several years ago when CJ Mosely had a great game against one of the Mississippi teams. As I was pointing out his numbers I was also told, "it's State!"

Okay, let's go with this.

It's like a kid in college getting a 4.0 in a maths class and hears, "yeah, but you used a calculator."

 

[Rolltide24]

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I said no such thing; nor did I hint at such.

Remember...

This whole conversation started after Alabama reached a statistical milestone in the programs history and we're being told "it's a made up stat." As far as attitudes are concerned...trying to throw a wet rag over what these players were able to do this season?

It reminds me of a conversation had on this forum several years ago when CJ Mosely had a great game against one of the Mississippi teams. As I was pointing out his numbers I was also told, "it's State!"

Okay, let's go with this.

It's like a kid in college getting a 4.0 in a maths class and hears, "yeah, but you used a calculator."

I hear you. I was going by your reply to OP. He said the day of the week the win occurs on is irrelevant. I agree. A win is a win. Doesn’t matter if it’s on Monday or Saturday. If it’s on a day that doesn’t end in “y”, then I’m suspicious. But who cares what day of the week the win is on?

I’m not understanding your argument with his statement that the day of the week is irrelevant. But I’m not that bright, I’ll admit.

 

[TerryP]

I’m not understanding your argument with his statement that the day of the week is irrelevant. But I’m not that bright, I’ll admit.

It doesn't take someone that bright to get what I am saying.

1892. That was the first recorded year of Alabama having a baseball team.
133 years of play.
This year marks the first time they haven't lost a mid-week game.

It like tellin' a guy that just broke 80 that no matter what his score will still be double digits.

The made up stat line has serious get off my lawn vibes.

 

[OldPlayer]

I said no such thing; nor did I hint at such.

Remember...

This whole conversation started after Alabama reached a statistical milestone in the programs history and we're being told "it's a made up stat." As far as attitudes are concerned...trying to throw a wet rag over what these players were able to do this season?

It reminds me of a conversation had on this forum several years ago when CJ Mosely had a great game against one of the Mississippi teams. As I was pointing out his numbers I was also told, "it's State!"

Okay, let's go with this.

It's like a kid in college getting a 4.0 in a maths class and hears, "yeah, but you used a calculator."

Yes you did:

Ok, if that is your view, explain to me how winning mid-week games boosts RPI, a determining factor in getting an invitation, but it is also irrelevant?

They affect the overall record: determining factor in getting an invitation.

If they don't affect the invitation, they certainly affect location of where a team plays in a regional.

Bama comes off a mid-week win, over a team ranked higher than they are, but it's irrelevant?

I don't understand why you are "hating" on an accomplishment: a noteworthy feat.

I'm failing to see the logic or the reasoning.

Winning boosts RPI, not winning midweek games.

 

[UAgrad93]

Yes you did:


Winning boosts RPI, not winning midweek games.

It’s the level of competition in those midweek games that boosts the RPI. Either Q1 or Q2 wins.
It’s a big deal when it’s never been done in program history. Had we lost Troy, we likely would’ve needed to take at least 4 of the last 6 and win at least one in Hoover to be considered for hosting a regional.

 

[TerryP]

Yes you did:


Winning boosts RPI, not winning midweek games.

He suggested I said that winning mid-week games was weighed differently. I said no such thing. I hinted at no such thing.

I said winning mid-week games improves RPI, among other things, and there is no denying that as a fact.

I still stand by what I said earlier. Calling this a "made up stat" makes no sense unless it is the specific intent to downplay a statistical milestone for the program.

 

[OldPlayer]

He suggested I said that winning mid-week games was weighed differently. I said no such thing. I hinted at no such thing.

I said winning mid-week games improves RPI, among other things, and there is no denying that as a fact.

I still stand by what I said earlier. Calling this a "made up stat" makes no sense unless it is the specific intent to downplay a statistical milestone for the program.

Winning any game improves RPI. Day of week a win occurs doesn’t matter, it’s not part of the RPI calculation. So yes, comparing midweek wins versus weekend wins is an irrelevant stat that is made up for PR purposes.

What Is College Baseball RPI? Go Further Into the Complex Ranking System | College Sports Network

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

Winning any game improves RPI. Day of week a win occurs doesn’t matter, it’s not part of the RPI calculation. So yes, comparing midweek wins versus weekend wins is an irrelevant stat that is made up for PR purposes.

What Is College Baseball RPI? Go Further Into the Complex Ranking System | College Sports Network

Nope.

 

[TerryP]

Winning any game improves RPI. Day of week a win occurs doesn’t matter, it’s not part of the RPI calculation. So yes, comparing midweek wins versus weekend wins is an irrelevant stat that is made up for PR purposes.

What Is College Baseball RPI? Go Further Into the Complex Ranking System | College Sports Network

Welp, wrong to start off with. It's funny how saying mid-week games can improve RPI in a thread where it happened ends up...

But, instead of dancing here...let's get back to what hasn't been answered.

Why this approach to what the team accomplished? Why call it a made up stat? Where does that come from?