🏈 Bama defense

[18Champs]

Once again, from the horses mouth:

Use of jet sweeps, bubble screens

Saban was asked about the rationale of using jet sweeps and bubble screens in the first half.

"I think that a lot of the stuff we did in the first half set up some of the things later on," Saban said. "We thought that we could execute these things, and if you look at them on the film, if we had blocked them correctly, they would have been better plays.

"We were trying to run the ball on the perimeter to see if we could get them tired, which we did. And then we had a lot more direct runs later and played a lot more physical interior line play and had success running the ball inside.

"Sometimes one of these things build on the other. That was the plan in the game. They've got pretty good speed on defense. They tracked us down pretty good on the edges. We came back and ran the ball inside on some of the same motions and same formations."

 

[TerryP]

2 and 1 yard gains might not be "negative" but they sure as hell arent successful... but again, nothing was needed to set up. That goes back to my "outsmarting yourself" comment. Seems to me running right at them and continuing to gash them, forcing the safeties to come up would have set up for deep passes a hell of lot better than getting in 2nd and 15 and 2nd and 17 plays just to set up a run up the gut (that again wasnt needed to be set up) later in the game...

Every scouting report published listed the strength of the Ole Miss defense as the middle of the defensive line followed by the linebackers. We talked about that before the game here.

It's a pretty safe assumption that's what the staff saw with Ole Miss as well—strength of the defense lies up the middle. So, their game plan was what it was.

It worked.

Yet, we're seeing ineffective used as a descriptor? Based on what ... at the most, the MOST, 10 of 80 plays? That's likely more like six.

Guaran-damn-tee you the conversation about the Ole Miss game in January won't be about play-calling. It'll be about a goal line stand.

 

[Tidestalker]

Once again, from the horses mouth:

Use of jet sweeps, bubble screens

Saban was asked about the rationale of using jet sweeps and bubble screens in the first half.

"I think that a lot of the stuff we did in the first half set up some of the things later on," Saban said. "We thought that we could execute these things, and if you look at them on the film, if we had blocked them correctly, they would have been better plays.

"We were trying to run the ball on the perimeter to see if we could get them tired, which we did. And then we had a lot more direct runs later and played a lot more physical interior line play and had success running the ball inside.

"Sometimes one of these things build on the other. That was the plan in the game. They've got pretty good speed on defense. They tracked us down pretty good on the edges. We came back and ran the ball inside on some of the same motions and same formations."

I listened to this press conference... Not sure what else he's supposed to say? Yes it opened things up for the second half... But it's not like it was necessary. You think he's going to come out and say "our game plan of 12 sideways plays for 30 yards didn't score points and we could have run it right at them and scored more points"....?

He's also a master at manipulating the media for the benefit of his coaches and team. No way he could go in on Lane again this week even if he wanted to. We're talking about the same guy who told us Bateman and Barnett would be the QB's for USC....

He's right... It worked. Did it help that we got 2 non offensive TD's also? Did that game plan also lead to a scroop and score blind side hit? Didn't mention that.

But is it the most effective way to play moving forward? I'd be surprised if there wasn't some changes.

 

[94 Grad]

I listened to this press conference... Not sure what else he's supposed to say? Yes it opened things up for the second half... But it's not like it was necessary. You think he's going to come out and say "our game plan of 12 sideways plays for 30 yards didn't score points and we could have run it right at them and scored more points"....?

He's also a master at manipulating the media for the benefit of his coaches and team. No way he could go in on Lane again this week even if he wanted to. We're talking about the same guy who told us Bateman and Barnett would be the QB's for USC....

And yet, that was our game plan and has been a staple of the game plan a lot of last year and most of this year so far... if he didn't like it or agree with it... you'd think he'd actually tell Kiffin to change it, wouldn't ya? It's not like this was a one time deal and he's saving face for his OC.

I personally think they are just fine to run them as they have been. I have watched how it affects forces the LBs to play sideline to sideline and not just down hill in the belly of the line. I was one that HATED that play all last year and after doing some video study of what it does to the defense, I have come around to appreciate what it does. Having said that, we don't execute it well at times, which is frustrating... I think Saban and Kiffin both only really want to get 3 yards off that play and would be happy with that. Stay ahead of the down/distance marker...

I persoannly would prefer more runs with the RB, but I'm not an expert and I think both Saban and Kiffin have a pretty good track record at putting a good product on the field. We have progressed from a cloud of dust 17 point scoring offense to a more fluid "multiple" set looking team that scores in the 30s and 40s consistently. Whatever it takes, I just like to win...

 

[TerryP]

Having said that, we don't execute it well at times, which is frustrating... I think Saban and Kiffin both only really want to get 3 yards off that play and would be happy with that. Stay ahead of the down/distance marker...

That's the root of a lot here (and around the 'net) with fans ...

 

[UAgrad93]

Once again, from the horses mouth:

Use of jet sweeps, bubble screens

Saban was asked about the rationale of using jet sweeps and bubble screens in the first half.

"I think that a lot of the stuff we did in the first half set up some of the things later on," Saban said. "We thought that we could execute these things, and if you look at them on the film, if we had blocked them correctly, they would have been better plays.

"We were trying to run the ball on the perimeter to see if we could get them tired, which we did. And then we had a lot more direct runs later and played a lot more physical interior line play and had success running the ball inside.

"Sometimes one of these things build on the other. That was the plan in the game. They've got pretty good speed on defense. They tracked us down pretty good on the edges. We came back and ran the ball inside on some of the same motions and same formations."

I believe that I pretty much said the same thing about 3 pages ago!

 

[ComeOnSon]

"Coach, how do you feel about your team's execution today?"--Reporter

"I'm all for it"--John McKay

Not relevant but the quotes reminded me of it.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

I could be wrong, but wasn't the broken coverage TD by Ole Miss when we were in Zone? Maybe our DB's don't play zone as well as press man? Maybe we are aligning to what they do best? I do know what the few times we did play zone they killed us for 15 yards over the middle just about every time...

I'm not going to start second guessing Saban and our defense. I think he's got a much better grasp on what we need to do than anyone on this board would... and contrary to years past, our DBs were both in position and turned to spot the ball... they missed the ball on the swat. If that ball is thrown 1 yard (really more like 1 foot) shorter, it's an INT or batted down. If it's thrown 1 yard longer it's incomplete. Kelly hit a open window on a moving bus 40 yards down the field. Tip your hat and move along to the next play. If Hurts was as accurate as Kelly was in that game, Ridley would have had 400 yards receiving and 4 TDs all to himself.

This is what I was saying earlier ITT.

Kelly is likely a top 20 pick in April, and was dropping balls into chimneys all day against our DBs that were in phase.

It was just a great QB putting the ball where only his receiver could get it 90% of the time.

Much like Tebow did in the 08 SECCG.

 

[mrchase]

With Saban's philosophy, I'd say those were successful as his idea is to stay ahead of the down/distance. So they use it like a running play... 3 yards or more is a success. Having said that, Ridley's TD right before half was a jet sweep.... just saying....

Wasn't that the same play that was run at the the end of the game last week......that we fumbled? And Saban got pissed.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

Wasn't that the same play that was run at the the end of the game last week......that we fumbled? And Saban got pissed.

I believe that was also a different WR, QB, and C trying to run that play

 

[TUSKtimes]

This is what I was saying earlier ITT.

Kelly is likely a top 20 pick in April, and was dropping balls into chimneys all day against our DBs that were in phase.

It was just a great QB putting the ball where only his receiver could get it 90% of the time.

Much like Tebow did in the 08 SECCG.

In the not too distant future so is Humphrey, Jackson, and Fitzpatrick. And Kelly just enjoyed the best passing day in his life. In his life.

 

[mrchase]

I believe that was also a different WR, QB, and C trying to run that play

Correct....... Better execution this time around

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

In the not too distant future so is Humphrey, Jackson, and Fitzpatrick. And Kelly just enjoyed the best passing day in his life. In his life.

True.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

Correct....... Better execution this time around

I'm thinking Saban got so pissed with Kiffin for running that play, not because of the play itself, but because of the personnel Kiffin called it with.

I'd bet dollars to donuts that the 1s had repped that play a helluva lot more than the 2s at that point.

And who fucked up the play?

The 2s. The ones who hadn't repped it nearly as much.

 

[TerryP]

It was just a great QB putting the ball where only his receiver could get it 90% of the time.

It's Ole Miss, and I've not been a fan of Kelly for years, but it was still a thing of beauty to watch. I had to laugh a little on his last TD pass—couldn't dream of much better.

I believe that was also a different WR, QB, and C trying to run that play

I'd bet dollars to donuts that the 1s had repped that play a helluva lot more than the 2s at that point.

There's the damn drum I was beating last week about that play, SLO. And here's the thing ...

We're going to see a half a dozen "quick outs" in every game. People are bitching about them now but that tune will change as well. There's still timing issues with those plays—specifically, Jalen making a quicker decision and quicker pass/release. That one second will make a difference.

 

[94 Grad]

We're going to see a half a dozen "quick outs" in every game. People are bitching about them now but that tune will change as well. There's still timing issues with those plays—specifically, Jalen making a quicker decision and quicker pass/release. That one second will make a difference.

How many times did Julio house it off that play... If I recall, it was a very effective play with him, but he's a much more physical WR than Ridley.

 

[JoshB]

How many times did Julio house it off that play... If I recall, it was a very effective play with him, but he's a much more physical WR than Ridley.

Julio could also break tackles that the typical receiver cant break, considering he's built like a tall ass linebacker lol

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

How many times did Julio house it off that play... If I recall, it was a very effective play with him, but he's a much more physical WR than Ridley.

Quick outs and hitches.

Julio's first cut after catching that little 7 yard hitch was lethal.

With his leaping ability and long arms, I always wondered why we didn't throw him more jump balls.

 

[JoshB]

Quick outs and hitches.

Julio's first cut after catching that little 7 yard hitch was lethal.

With his leaping ability and long arms, I always wondered why we didn't throw him more jump balls.

You could ask the same question of Atlanta... but the answer there is a lot easier... Kyle Shanahan is a moron.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Quick outs and hitches.

Julio's first cut after catching that little 7 yard hitch was lethal.

With his leaping ability and long arms, I always wondered why we didn't throw him more jump balls.

Two words, Greg McElroy. If you didn't have a lead or look wide open he wasn't throwing the football............................ever.