🏈 AP Poll Has Zero Significance/Meaningless

[CtrlAltDel]

The AP poll is useless and archaic. It means nothing, counts for nothing and has zero value concerning rankings in college football.

I wonder why it is still featured front and center on all sports websites and listed in papers as if it has some sort of relevance?

 

[CrimsonPirate]

'Cause it's a media poll, I guess. Most of the newspapers subscribe to the Associated Press news feeds. They're the ones who muddied the waters in '03 by named USC their national champs while LSU was winning the BCS crown.

 

[Swamptick]

'Cause it's a media poll, I guess. Most of the newspapers subscribe to the Associated Press news feeds. They're the ones who muddied the waters in '03 by named USC their national champs while LSU was winning the BCS crown.

Win.

 

[ColoradoTide]

As with many other things, you have to let some of the old dogs of the media continue under the illusion that they're still relevant whether it's true or not.

 

[tidenumber1]

'Cause it's a media poll, I guess. Most of the newspapers subscribe to the Associated Press news feeds. They're the ones who muddied the waters in '03 by named USC their national champs while LSU was winning the BCS crown.

And they are the ones who will give the Gayturds a share after we have beaten them.:rofl:

 

[252BAMA]

'Cause it's a media poll, I guess. Most of the newspapers subscribe to the Associated Press news feeds. They're the ones who muddied the waters in '03 by named USC their national champs while LSU was winning the BCS crown.

And if it is ever split again, AP will be the one doing the spliting. That is why they are still relevant.

 

[CtrlAltDel]

'Cause it's a media poll, I guess. Most of the newspapers subscribe to the Associated Press news feeds. They're the ones who muddied the waters in '03 by named USC their national champs while LSU was winning the BCS crown.

Okay, that makes sense, CrimsonPirate.

You are right about '03. If I remember correctly, the AP had very recently made a big, bold statement about how they weren't going to generate their poll any longer. They were done with college football, etc...

Yet, they still name AP national champions. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

[CtrlAltDel]

And if it is ever split again, AP will be the one doing the spliting. That is why they are still relevant.

Split into what though? The People's National Championship poll can split a title too but, does it mean any more than the AP doing it?

The AP has no more significance than the PNC poll in regard to calculating who becomes the NC during any given season.

 

[CtrlAltDel]

And they are the ones who will give the Gayturds a share after we have beaten them.:rofl:

LOL. I am interested in how the AP will get USC back into the top 5 this season. They don't have much time to work that one out.

 

[252BAMA]

Okay, that makes sense, CrimsonPirate.

You are right about '03. If I remember correctly, the AP had very recently made a big, bold statement about how they weren't going to generate their poll any longer. They were done with college football, etc...

Yet, they still name AP national champions. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

The statement they made was to tell the BCS that they could not use their poll as one of the factors in determining the BCS ranking.

 

[CtrlAltDel]

As with many other things, you have to let some of the old dogs of the media continue under the illusion that they're still relevant whether it's true or not.

You and CrimsonPirate nailed it.

 

[252BAMA]

Split into what though? The People's National Championship poll can split a title too but, does it mean any more than the AP doing it?

The AP has no more significance than the PNC poll in regard to calculating who becomes the NC during any given season.

Not so fast my friend! Let's say Bama wins the SECCG on a VERY controversial call. And then Bama wins a very boring BCSNCG against Texas while UF is blowing away TCU or Cincy in the Sugar Bowl. You can bank on UF getting the AP NC and the rest of the country agreeing with them.

 

[CtrlAltDel]

The statement they made was to tell the BCS that they could not use their poll as one of the factors in determining the BCS ranking.

Right, my mistake. I knew it was something along the lines of the AP opting out of any and all respectability that they once held.

By that, I mean that by doing what they decided to do, they effectively and deliberately cut themselves out of the picture.

The AP poll is now nothing more than a novelty, a reminder of the wonderful history that makes up college football.

If the SEC or Big12 or BigTeleven or the ACC, etc... had refused to join the BCS and didn't have a way of determining NC's, I guess the AP might still be valuable.

 

[CtrlAltDel]

Not so fast my friend! Let's say Bama wins the SECCG on a VERY controversial call. And then Bama wins a very boring BCSNCG against Texas while UF is blowing away TCU or Cincy in the Sugar Bowl. You can bank on UF getting the AP NC and the rest of the country agreeing with them.

Yes, but it means absolutely nothing. Unlike in times past when the AP and UPI/Coaches poll were deemed as universal determinants of who was the "BEST", the AP opted out of that respectful position.

In the scenario you present, which is very possible, there has been no complicit agreement among conferences, among schools, among teams, etc... to recognize the AP as valid.

The BCS has those agreements, those bonds, those handshakes, if you will, to give full and total recognition to the the winner of the BCS.

What the fans think or what USC fans thought or what some fans may think this season if the scenario you list plays out means very little to "BCS" teams.

 

[TideAlum05]

The AP poll was around before the BCS ever existed and it will be around after the BCS is gone. The AP crown is legit still today.

 

[CtrlAltDel]

The AP poll was around before the BCS ever existed and it will be around after the BCS is gone. The AP crown is legit still today.

The AP is really only legitimate in it's own mind. The AP was legit for many years and was, alongside the UPI, the granddaddy of polls.

If any team in the nation was "granted" a NC by the AP, that was it. That was the real deal. Same with the UPI. Hence, in times past, there were many perfectly valid co-national champions. The AP would vote one team at the top and the UPI may vote another one but, little did it matter, they were both NC's and both got lovely trophies.

That got old as time went on and people clamored and begged for a change, for a way to determine a sole national champion. Lacking a true playoff that many felt would suck the fun out of a fun sport, the BCS was born after many lesser incarnations of itself.

The AP purposely wanted no part of what the rest of the college football hierarchy decided would be best, which was the BCS.

By "choosing" to isolate itself outside of the mainstream, outside of what everyone and everything else willingly joined, they relegated themselves to being completely meaningless.

By "choosing" to not have anything to do with what the rest of the college football world was doing, they ended their association with college football as far as helping to determine a NC is concerned.

The AP knew exactly what they were doing and they were not forced to not move into the future. They "chose" to be a relic of the past.

 

[252BAMA]

Yes, but it means absolutely nothing. Unlike in times past when the AP and UPI/Coaches poll were deemed as universal determinants of who was the "BEST", the AP opted out of that respectful position.

In the scenario you present, which is very possible, there has been no complicit agreement among conferences, among schools, among teams, etc... to recognize the AP as valid.

The BCS has those agreements, those bonds, those handshakes, if you will, to give full and total recognition to the the winner of the BCS.

What the fans think or what USC fans thought or what some fans may think this season if the scenario you list plays out means very little to "BCS" teams.

You are correct that Bama would be the BCSNC in that scenario. But I believe public opinion does matter, and I can not believe any other BCS team, and certainly not their fans, would agree with the BCS.

 

[Kozlowski]

Altie, why are looking at something from the media? They all hate Bama and are out to get them! Quit buying and thus supporting these rags that are doing everything they can to tear down Bama.:wife::hyper:

 

[CtrlAltDel]

Altie, why are looking at something from the media? They all hate Bama and are out to get them! Quit buying and thus supporting these rags that are doing everything they can to tear down Bama.:wife::hyper:

Trolling a thread and attempting to change the subject by using sarcasm and overblown generalizations.

Great to communicate with you, Kozzi, always. If a nice discussion among several members of the board irritates you, just don't participate.

Why not contribute to the subject at hand, rather than trying to get in an AuNeckish insult?

 

[psychojoe]

A poll, BCS, AP, or otherwise, is just a collection of opinions. Even though the BCS is an improvement, IMO, over the strictly poll method of determining national championships. Get ready folks. This is my annual Psychojoe's Psychotic Rant about the BCS. It is entirely too easy for the wrong two teams to be in the BCS game, or for an equally meritorious team to be locked out of the BCS title game. Auburn complained about this in 2004 with some justification. USC certainly had a strong case that they should have played LSU the year that Oklahoma faced off with them. Many objected when a two loss LSU team made it to the BCS game, though you didn't hear much talk about that after the game. It is past time for the big boys to have their own championship tournament. Pick the top 8, or the top 16, seed the fields, involve the upper tier bowls as part of the tournament and most important: SETTLE IT ON THE FIELD.