🏈 🏈 FALL CAMP 2019 🏈 Tide preps for season opener

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

It's time to get serious.

Roll Tide

 

[Tidestalker]

When you have four first round picks playing out wide and a generational talent at QB, you still cant see how it would be a "disservice" to force the run more just to force it?

I don't know about "forcing it to force it"... But having a physical and dependable run game will be necessary to win game 15. Every run play is a play Tua doesn't get hurt - We've seen how that looks. It felt like we had generational talents at WR and QB last season and it didn't end well... Which I believe is Tusk's point. Especially considering we never attempted to commit to running the ball in that game, because in all honestly it wasn't necessary all season due to said generational talent.

 

[TerryP]

Not apt of new ideas. Ideas revisited.

@TUSKtimes I think this is a great description. And the play action pass references are a perfect example. This is what I've learned about how Saban has viewed this.

We're looking at Sark along with Flood, offensive line coach at Atlanta last year. Last year ATL ran the 2nd most play action passing attempts in the NFL. Check. A little less than 10 yards a pop, 4th best in the league. Check.

Using that as a model and applying it to Alabama, we'd be looking at a 1500 yard receiver and a 800 yard guy by years end. Now, I can see 1000 yards easily with Jeudy and I'm beginning to weigh the possibilities of two receivers over 1000.

Latu and Amos have shown they've got good hands. It's nothing new, but something the progression reads brings more into play. I've heard some good reports on Shavers as well.

Otherwise, it's just a matter of trusting //

Leatherwood
Neal
Owens/Dickerson/Ekiyor
Owens/Dickerson/Ekiyor
Wills.


Nothing exotic. Pretty simple, really.

 

[BamaFan334]

@TUSKtimes I think this is a great description. And the play action pass references are a perfect example. This is what I've learned about how Saban has viewed this.

We're looking at Sark along with Flood, offensive line coach at Atlanta last year. Last year ATL ran the 2nd most play action passing attempts in the NFL. Check. A little less than 10 yards a pop, 4th best in the league. Check.

Using that as a model and applying it to Alabama, we'd be looking at a 1500 yard receiver and a 800 yard guy by years end. Now, I can see 1000 yards easily with Jeudy and I'm beginning to weigh the possibilities of two receivers over 1000.

Latu and Amos have shown they've got good hands. It's nothing new, but something the progression reads brings more into play. I've heard some good reports on Shavers as well.

Otherwise, it's just a matter of trusting //

Leatherwood
Neal
Owens/Dickerson/Ekiyor
Owens/Dickerson/Ekiyor
Wills.


Nothing exotic. Pretty simple, really.

I definitely think we get two thousand yard receivers and a thousand yard rusher.

 

[footballer]

Against clemson, we were predictable. Our offensive game planner seemed preoccupied ( or lazy in the game plan ), thinking we could keep doing the same to clemson as we had done against other opponents all year. Ga or Au didn't wake him up. Our defensive planner, ( dc ) didn't seem up to the task, inept plan at best against clemson.

I understand the viewpoints of more play action passing plays. But in order for play action to work, you better be able to run the screwing ball. The defenders have to sell out to stop the run, then bingo, over the top it goes to one of our many bad ass receivers. In any game against any team, you have to run effectively to set up the pass, vice versa, you have to be able to pass to set up the run. Against the better teams, with just as good of players and coaches, you cannot be predictable in your plan.

 

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[NickelDoubleDog]

Has anyone ever seen Bill Connelly's advanced stats breakdown of the Clemson game? In many areas Alabama outplayed Clemson. But red zone ineptitude killed the offense, as did 3rd and long defense. It is one of the weirdest results he's seen given the various success rates each team had in various categories throughout the game.

 

[Tidestalker]

Has anyone ever seen Bill Connelly's advanced stats breakdown of the Clemson game? In many areas Alabama outplayed Clemson. But red zone ineptitude killed the offense, as did 3rd and long defense. It is one of the weirdest results he's seen given the various success rates each team had in various categories throughout the game.

When someone gets up early it can skew the statistical numbers... Kind of like our OU game.

And unfortunately in that game, the first RB taken in the draft was riding the pine in the redzone... Trying to watch Harris at the goal line was like watching a horse fitting through a turnstile. Should have sent the gazelle

 

[TUSKtimes]

When you have four first round picks playing out wide and a generational talent at QB, you still cant see how it would be a "disservice" to force the run more just to force it?

Tell me the recipe for playing tougher, running when we want to run the ball? Running with more power in the red zone? Or do you think it was an issue? Instead of taking issue with something I haven't said, tell me what the balance will be this year.

I too have spoken about 10 personnel as a done deal.

Do you want to say our offensive identity will mirror last year's team? Are we getting Locksley part 2?

 

[NickelDoubleDog]

When someone gets up early it can skew the statistical numbers... Kind of like our OU game.

And unfortunately in that game, the first RB taken in the draft was riding the pine in the redzone... Trying to watch Harris at the goal line was like watching a horse fitting through a turnstile. Should have sent the gazelle

I don't think the game played out at all like Bama-OU. Alabama was running consistently on Clemson from the jump. Couldn't do anything in red zone. Empty trips when TDs were possible. Pick 6, another silly INT on a scoring drive. On D, they were often playing well on early downs, then getting absolutely torched on 3rd down, especially 3rd and long, which is a bizarre stat.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Not apt of new ideas. Ideas revisited.

With RPOs defenses are always picking their poison. But running when you want to run it, and doing that successfully, will come from better OL coaching, more OL talent and depth, and then by scheme adjustments

One of our major criticisms for last season's passing RPO attack was the pre-read. The reason defenses caught up with our offense were the predetermined throws we were making our of the RPOs. As we all recall vividly the DBs started jumping the routes. Our Achilles for last season in the offensive sets we ran was when defenses made adjustments we were still a one-trick pony.

Scheme adjustments, talent, better coaching, a stronger running game, a full progression read offense that gives Tua far better options. That's what I believe in.

 

[Tidestalker]

I don't think the game played out at all like Bama-OU. Alabama was running consistently on Clemson from the jump. Couldn't do anything in red zone. Empty trips when TDs were possible. Pick 6, another silly INT on a scoring drive. On D, they were often playing well on early downs, then getting absolutely torched on 3rd down, especially 3rd and long, which is a bizarre stat.

Lewis & Jennings...............DL Depth............................... Stay healthy and we will see a difference!

 

[NickelDoubleDog]

Lewis & Jennings...............DL Depth............................... Stay healthy and we will see a difference!

No doubt, injuries were huge last year.

Lewis was out. Christian Miller was out. Jennings was hobbled. DT wasn't as deep ast 2019.

Top CB Diggs was out. Smith got hurt during the game and his injury resulted in a gimme TD from 70 yards away. How many times have you ever seen that before? That play didn't hurt Lawrence's stat line.

 

[Tidestalker]

No doubt, injuries were huge last year.

Lewis was out. Christian Miller was out. Jennings was hobbled. DT wasn't as deep ast 2019.

Top CB Diggs was out. Smith got hurt during the game and his injury resulted in a gimme TD from 70 yards away. How many times have you ever seen that before? That play didn't hurt Lawrence's stat line.

Davis wasn't at his best and Buggs was seriously dinged up... Felt like QW was a one man show.

The secondary feels so much deeper... Mayden and Jobe getting some trial by fire will pay off this year. I feel like Wright & JAD are both super talented and wildcards as well. Reading good things about the Frosh too.... Exciting times!! RTR

 

[TerryP]

Davis wasn't at his best

We're betting on a coaching change being the spark there.

 

[TerryP]

Jobe getting some trial by fire will pay off this year.

He came up the other day in one of those camp discussions. You know the type, "man, the way that DB is hitting coming out..."

As falls' thoughts go I went to Javier—corner blitz.

One of the two will be "picked on" this season. You see it all the time; every offensive coordinator in the conference thinks that one guy is the weakness..

 

[TerryP]

Eboigbe out with a foot injury. No time on return. Wynn is still out as well nursing his ankle sprain. Others are healing up with the team taking Sunday off.

Tomorrow we get the personnel groupings.

 

[NickelDoubleDog]

Eboigbe out with a foot injury. No time on return. Wynn is still out as well nursing his ankle sprain. Others are healing up with the team taking Sunday off.

Tomorrow we get the personnel groupings.

I really hope it's just a couple week thing with Eboigbe. Wynn needs to get healthy soon. Looks like Barmore will be the 5th DT in the rotation for now.

 

[Tidestalker]

-- It’s interesting looking at the different sized players competing for the same spots on the line. Chris Owens is three inches shorter at 6-foot-3 than Landon Dickerson, who is the co-starter at center. Dickerson is 17 pounds lighter (at 308) than Womack, the co-No. 1 at right guard. Most notably, the co-starters at left guard are Emil Ekiyor Jr. (6-3, 327) and Neal (6-7, 360 pounds.

-- It’s also worth noting from the depth chart, Ekiyor was not among the three names listed at center after he was running with the first group early in camp.

-- Third-string running back Jerome Ford was looking fresh and moving well after spraining his ankle at the scrimmage a week and a half ago.
-- Defensive lineman Justin Eboigbe was not spotted again. Saban said earlier the freshman was questionable for the Duke game with a foot injury. He was listed as a co-backup with Byron Young at defensive end behind LaBryan Ray.

-- Watching the receivers, the vertical leap of DeVonta Smith was notable going up for a fade in the corner of the end zone. The co-hero of the Georgia national title game battled injuries last year as the other young receivers stepped up. He’ll be worth watching this year after getting less attention in 2018.

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