🏈 All four QB's got reps last night...

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Hey guys, real Teddy here, not my evil twin. Lol. Just wanted to post my thoughts and get some feedback.

As I've said before I know several people who are very much in the know about the program. I wish I could give one name specifically, but thread would be zapped. All of the "info" I'll post has been posted elsewhere so I'm not breaking any ground. I'm really just wanting a civil discussion about our QB position.

A few facts:

-Cornwell had a chance to take the job at the end of Spring and didn't get it done. Doesn't sound like he's made any more progress this summer.
-A certain offensive coach doesn't think we can win an SEC title with Coker. Another offensive coach wants to take our lumps this year with BB and play for 2016. I could give a quote but this is a family website.
-The team seems to be behind Coker at this point. I like Coker. I'm friends with his cousin. So I'm not trying to be critical of him.

The Case For Coker: All the tools. Senior. If no separation among the QB's, go with the senior. I saw things in the spring game I really liked. But then in the second half, it all went flat.
The Case For Cornwell: Almost won it in April. That's gotta go for something. Maybe he performs well in the scrimmages and earns the trust of the players and coaches. We know he was highly regarded coming out of high school.
The Case For Morris: Maybe becoming a GMAC or JPW? With all the other talent on the team, I'd take that all day long.
The Case For Bateman:..........
The Case For Barnett: HERE'S where it gets interesting. Travis made a very huge point in his article. He stated that BB is the most natural at the position of any QB on the roster. Talked about keeping his eyes down field while rolling out. Yes he's a frosh who has been here since January. But here's where I make my point...

Blake Sims was the equivalent of BB under KIFFIN'S system. He was a Kiffin freshman. Kiffin held his hand all year long and Blake broke tons of records. Coker and the others are sophomores in Kiffin's system. Yet BB seems to be the one everyone notices. He's the most natural. He's got all the physical tools. He's already with George Whitfield. He's simply a special kid.

I've played in college. I've been on a team where the locker room was divided over who the QB should be. Did it cause team issues? No. Once the ball is snapped you go play. However, I didn't play SEC so I can't speak to that. If the majority of the team is behind Coker, that's huge and I can assure you Saban looks at that heavily. When you're in that huddle, and the QB is the only one allowed to speak, everything goes 1,000 times smoother when you believe in the guy calling the plays. Now, what happens when/if you lose a game you should have won but the QB throws 3 pics? That's Coker's biggest issue...consistency. You can most definitely lose your team when they're doing their job but the QB can't do his.

So let's say we lose to UGA and the QB play has been very iffy. Go back to certain coaches feeling we can't win with the older guys. When do you start to look at 2016? We'll lose Robinson, Reed, Allen, Ragland, Henry and Drake. But we will still be so disgustingly loaded that with a good QB we probably win another title. If you know where your future at QB is, when do you decide to get him ready for next year...or even a magical run like Tom Brady did winning the Super Bowl as a rookie. I think the biggest question for the staff, IF we don't get good QB play from the upperclassmen, is when do you pull the trigger on the future. Fascinating situation IMO. Thoughts? RTR.
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Snout Spout said:
That is stupid as hell. What happened to the idea of neighborhood schools? At 100k and one school you're driving at least 1.5 hr in the morning to get your kid to school and the school will be crowded as ****. I had 2600ish at my HS and that was like a slow ass cattle crawl in the hallway. I can only imagine more than that. All in the name of fielding a better football team?
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The city of Allen decided to be a single high school, they are the only one in the area that I'm aware of. That's why they have a $60M stadium too. The whole single high school is a reason I wouldn't live there, but folks I know who live there absolutely love Allen.
 
Crimson&WhiteGecko said:
:what:

This thread isn't about second guessing a game that 'Bama lost... it is bout the QB rotation for this season... Extrapolate all you want about CNS especially with hindsight. Impressive (sarcasm).

Now when it comes to determining who gets behind center. I'm not going to sweat it because CNS is more than capable....MUCH more than you.
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Here's an idea. Why don't you go wash the sand out of your clit. I'm not second guessing a loss, and it didn't take hindsight for me to see tOSU couldn't stop Henry. In game. Now please point to the part of my post where I claimed to be more capable than Saban at picking a QB or take a frosty coated fuck off a tall building Butthurt McGhee. All I said was that Saban isn't above criticism. If you think he is then I hope you didn't pull a hammy running across the field at fan day. Saban gets out coached. He isn't God. And I'm sorry you couldn't see the discrepancy between tOSU's defense and King Henry. But it was OBVIOUS. So the criticism is Saban's and his alone. And while you're at it please point to the tremendous QB play Bama has had since his arrival... Maybe just maybe he has trouble evaluating and developing talent. And if that's the case then that criticism belongs smack dab in the middle of this thread.
And if you're not going "to sweat" it then why quote my post ostensively to state how much more capable Saban is than I to pick a QB?
 
Gideon Swashbuckler said:
Here's an idea. Why don't you go wash the sand out of your clit. I'm not second guessing a loss, and it didn't take hindsight for me to see tOSU couldn't stop Henry. In game. Now please point to the part of my post where I claimed to be more capable than Saban at picking a QB or take a frosty coated **** off a tall building Butthurt McGhee. All I said was that Saban isn't above criticism. If you think he is then I hope you didn't pull a hammy running across the field at fan day. Saban gets out coached. He isn't God. And I'm sorry you couldn't see the discrepancy between tOSU's defense and King Henry. But it was OBVIOUS. So the criticism is Saban's and his alone. And while you're at it please point to the tremendous QB play Bama has had since his arrival... Maybe just maybe he has trouble evaluating and developing talent. And if that's the case then that criticism belongs smack dab in the middle of this thread.
And if you're not going "to sweat" it then why quote my post ostensively to state how much more capable Saban is than I to pick a QB?
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Gideon is right, the Henry not receiving the rock WAS PLAIN AS DAY during the game so bad the crowd was chanting it. Our QB development has been average at best. So without all the fancy words, it is ok for this thread.
 
CrimsonBoz said:
Gideon is right, the Henry not receiving the rock WAS PLAIN AS DAY during the game so bad the crowd was chanting it. Our QB development has been average at best. So without all the fancy words, it is ok for this thread.
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In the deep dark dead of night when nobody but the crickets are listening I guarantee that CNS, CLK and others on the staff and team whisper to themselves "Why didn't we toss sweep to Henry instead of throwing that fucking pass to Howard?".

Also, one of the things I've enjoyed in my short time here is the relatively free discussion of strategy, tactics, coaching etc without the "policing" that goes on other boards. I don't see anybody f'ing and blinding about Bama coaches, just stating of opinions and frank discussion.
 
We scored enough points to win that game. Period. Yeah, we could have scored more. But.... Our D was awful! Let's not forget that. Knight had his biggest game to date against the top 1 or 2 defenses against the run in the nation. And with a rookie QB on the field. Let's don't blame the loss on offensive play calling.
 
Rolltide24 said:
We scored enough points to win that game. Period. Yeah, we could have scored more. But.... Our D was awful! Let's not forget that. Knight had his biggest game to date against the top 1 or 2 defenses against the run in the nation. And with a rookie QB on the field. Let's don't blame the loss on offensive play calling.
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I blame the coaching bottom line, We RUN we win, regardless of what the Def does. They wouldn't have even been on the field if we were running. The Def gave the O plenty of chances to win and they blew it. Kiffin got cute, Saban didn't real him in like he did Mac in 12 SEC Game.
 
Gideon Swashbuckler said:
Here's an idea. Why don't you go wash the sand out of your clit. I'm not second guessing a loss, and it didn't take hindsight for me to see tOSU couldn't stop Henry. In game. Now please point to the part of my post where I claimed to be more capable than Saban at picking a QB or take a frosty coated **** off a tall building Butthurt McGhee. All I said was that Saban isn't above criticism. If you think he is then I hope you didn't pull a hammy running across the field at fan day. Saban gets out coached. He isn't God. And I'm sorry you couldn't see the discrepancy between tOSU's defense and King Henry. But it was OBVIOUS. So the criticism is Saban's and his alone. And while you're at it please point to the tremendous QB play Bama has had since his arrival... Maybe just maybe he has trouble evaluating and developing talent. And if that's the case then that criticism belongs smack dab in the middle of this thread.
And if you're not going "to sweat" it then why quote my post ostensively to state how much more capable Saban is than I to pick a QB?
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Couple things here:
1st. This is an open forum & message board, the mods here are good a letting folks be themselves & vent things. It is the only board that I even cared to be a part of because they encourage venting and/or dialogue... But you are flat out throwing vile sir & there is no cause for it. I can disagree & even convey my dislike for your conclusions w/o being vile or vulgar. Perhaps, you think the internet forum gives you license to do so. You'd be wrong... I hope you can tone it down.
2nd. Part of quoting is for all to be sure who I/you/we may be addressing...nothing more.
3rd. I understand your points on CNS during games and in particular QB's. We've never had a Peyton Manning caliber QB. I am not entirely convinced that is the best thing for a program simply weighing the body of work 'Bama has had with championship teams. I'm sure you are well aware we didn't have some world beater QB's for those teams but we had great teams as a whole. As I look back over CNS years, it is my belief that he covets a QB that will not get us beat over something more mesmerizing.
4th. For any game that we can look back at, such as the OSU & or OU embarrassment, we can find games where CNS did adjust. UGA in the dome is a simple example. CNS was very specific at half time that whoever runs the ball will win. I was screaming at the TV to run the ball b/c they weren't stopping us but Nuss wanted to do more. That mess changed by halftime & we know the outcome. Clearly there was a game plan in place that changed by half. I know you can reflect on games that we saw some strategy change where we won. It is certainly easier to reflect on the losses but there is just as strong evidence for good changes. This doesn't give CNS some pass but I am simply trying to convey that we should weigh ALL bodies of work not just a few...
5th. I am convinced that CNS has been over all of those losses & wins a 1000 times more than us. He could pick out far more issues than we have. I am just offering a perspective that this cat is way ahead of us on this. This does not mean I suggest he is infallible. It just means that he is a better position than me to ascertain the program better. I can still be frustrated & so can you. You can dislike my lack of critisism or panic or coolaid rose colored glasses. I'll give you that. It is your right, & so is mine.
6th. You do know we root for the same thing right? Let's not cannibalize each other over this...
7th. Roll Tide & welcome to the forum..:-)
 
BlackPawnMartyr said:
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That dude's full of shit.

Just the first glaring innacuracy: Brady won the Superbowl as a rookie. NOPE. He was drafted in 2000. The past won the Superbowl the following season.

He's just regurgitating shit we've all already heard and calling insider knowledge.

Barnett will NOT play a snap this year. A wet noodle would be more durable than that lanky kid. Is he the most talented we have? Maybe. He's shown flashes of his potential, indicating he has the highest ceiling of any of our QBs.

But, he's not playing a single down until he gains 30-35 punds of lean meat on that skeletal frame. Seriously. I've seen Ethiopians with more tone and a thicker trunk than he. He wouldn't last past week 3 on that current frame.
 
I'd be very surprised if Barnett plays a down this season. It was obvious in the spring game he needs a lot of hours in the weight room and have a spoon and fork in his hand. But at the same time, outside of the spring game, has anyone actually witnessed the qb's performances since then? Is it possible Barnett (in spite of his physical brittleness) has developed more than the rest of the qb's to the point where he's truly challenging for playing time?
 
ok.. barnett isn't going to play unless things get really bad mmm k. I am 198 and 6'2"... I look more physically impressive at this point. no offense to him. he is quite young and very talented, but you need to be able to take a beating in this league. It wouldn't be fair to him to play at this point IMO.
 
jdpas29 said:
ok.. barnett isn't going to play unless things get really bad mmm k. I am 198 and 6'2"... I look more physically impressive at this point. no offense to him. he is quite young and very talented, but you need to be able to take a beating in this league. It wouldn't be fair to him to play at this point IMO.
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Brodie was relatively frail and brittle, but he had the arm, so we played him. I'm going to bet Barnett will be more dedicated to the weight room and training table than Croyle, though.
 
BigCrimson said:
I'd be very surprised if Barnett plays a down this season. It was obvious in the spring game he needs a lot of hours in the weight room and have a spoon and fork in his hand. But at the same time, outside of the spring game, has anyone actually witnessed the qb's performances since then? Is it possible Barnett (in spite of his physical brittleness) has developed more than the rest of the qb's to the point where he's truly challenging for playing time?
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I'll just make a blanket statement and let you guys know the weight gain thing is total BS. He needs to get stronger but his weight gain will not and is not an issue to prevent him from playing. He is already at 203. He can pack on 10 more lbs and his optimal weight (so he can still run like he does) @ 225 max 230. This frail talk is ridiculous quite frankly. He is fine and is packing on lbs as we speak. But to say he cannot compete at the QB position because of just that is not correct.
 
I think "needs to get stronger" is what everyone truly means when they say "He needs to put on some weight". The issue I saw at A-Day was derived from lack of strength. You could tell his velocity was on a highschool level and not a college level. That comes with getting stronger. He threw a couple of balls (one was picked) down field where the ball just stayed in the air too long. He'll improve that with getting stronger. How quick he can do that is anyone's guess. But no way he needs to be on the field as starter with the lack of velocity he showed at A-Day. He'll be a pick waiting to happen on every ball he throws down field.
 
CrimsonBoz said:
What I have been saying for weeks,

Coker is still Coker

Cornwell didn't improve

Morris, is a good game manager

Barnett is the best talent

Bateman is yeah.

It's not rocket science, my sources say Kiffin is pushing for Barnett but may be cut down by Saban and they slap Coker in for a nice 4 INT game and maybe it changes. We shall see.
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Was going to post this same thing. The smart bet is that Coker is going to start against Wiskey. He will remain the starter until he does something completely dumbass like throw multiple interceptions at critical times during a game or games. At some point during the season, this is going to happen. I hope it's against an MTSU or a La Monroe and not against UGA or Ole Miss. But it's going to happen. And when it does, Coker gets the hook and Cornwell or Morris will take the field. Barnett is the future. He redshirts this year barring disaster. I'm saying it will happen before my 49th birthday on October 18th, probably sooner. But I'll wager a cold beer that Coker isn't at the helm by the time we play in College Station. Then the $64,000 question becomes does the #2 guy keep the job or does he screw up enough as well that Saban and Kiffin try and rotate QB's and go with the hot hand? But the old adage still holds true: if you have 2 QB's, you don't have a QB.
 

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