You'll believe what you want to believe, but that 20 y/o was not the tool of a conspiracy.
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Kamikazi18627
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100% agree.
To me, if there is a conspiracy and Ole 20y/o is part of a bigger plan........bolt action, 308 with a scope is the choice. Not a chance a plan is hatched to actually carry out an assassination attempt and an ar is used if its a plan by the government. No way.
I bet the rifle was a pieced together anderson built in someone's garage.
TerryP
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What do you mean, "no fall?"
The 1-1 1/2 inch drop at 130 or so is insignifficant if the rifle sighted for a 100 yards. Trump's side-to-side movement was what created the miss.
TerryP
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I can't say I agree with this. There's been plenty of "incendiary" messages spoken.
TerryP
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This goes back to what I was saying earlier. I've shot one..and may be there was a 1" drop at 100 yards. Maybe.
Follow on rounds caught attendees in the foreground, I believe, so he was wildly inaccurate in his later rounds.
Kamikazi18627
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The issue wasn't elevation. 1 to 1.5 inch drop at 150 ish yards at the most. The shooter missed to the left. Windage or trigger pull or both
Remember. A 556 is super fast, it travels relatively flat.
Remember. A 556 is super fast, it travels relatively flat.
TerryP
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Have you entertained the idea it was "suicide by cop?"
TerryP
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I've shot a .556 out of a Heckler. I can't remember what we were shooting out the AR that day
footballer
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His first shot should have been the kill shot. He missed. Has to re align the cross hairs and squeeze as quickly as possible. He has only 2 maybe 3 seconds at best before Trump gets down. Shooter was letting bullets fly haphazardly. Very amateurish, he was someone's throw away.
I have no way to verify, but I have seen at least one report that counter sniper had shooter in his scope but did not nullify him until he had finished shooting.
I have no way to verify, but I have seen at least one report that counter sniper had shooter in his scope but did not nullify him until he had finished shooting.
TerryP
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Sumpin' ain't right
footballer
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How many shots were fired? In how many seconds? Inaccurate? Didn't he hit 4 people? How many times could you hit your target who ducks out in around 3 seconds? Aim, fire aim fire, aim fire, aim fire.............. As I stated before, an amateur throw away who was allowed to shoot his wad then blown away by a real sniper. It has already been said that shooter was a loner. How long before it comes out that he was under a psychiatrist care and prescribed mind altering drugs? He fits the MO.
I do realize he was just shooting into the crowd to hit 4 people.
https://www.wsj.com/video/series/ne...unfolded/F2AC6515-8811-4F40-B99F-5554AC0633DD
Not sure if I can provide this as a free link or not, give it a try. I think I mentioned on this or another thread. The shooter was dressed in a fashion that would probably give an agent pause to simply fire without making sure it wasn't a support agency, particularly since it was outside of the Secret Service control area. He looked up at the wrong time, and was then startled when the firing started, took him several seconds to get back on target. Not sure if the far sniper had him in his sights, or honestly which one took him down. I think the biggest error was having the control area so small. It's pretty likely the shooter had at least 30 rounds ready to expend, so the idea that they waited for him to finish shooting doesn't hold water.
While on some levels I completely understand the lack of trust placed in media and the government (they've done little to earn it)... I can't help but feel deflated when I see these conspiracy theories immediately spouting up... and I've seen them from both sides over the last 24+ hours. Critical thinking and logic seems to be evaporating from our society. Yesterday was a bad day, and was an inch or so away from being disastrous. It should have never happened. The focus, IMO, should be on the missteps that allowed it to happen and making sure something similar never happens again.
All the policitical rhetoric from the so called leaders in congress all the way to the White House (not just this administration it goes back several) feeds this mess and the press just appears to be pawns in it all. Social media feeds it by generaitng memes with misinformation. No one uses common sense, they just find a way to connect any info they read to their already made up minds. No critical thinking or challenging ones own thoughts at all. It is insanity and if decent people on both sides do not stand up and try to find a way to shut this down it is going to implode.
IT11 said it earlier in a thread (maybe this one?) and it's something I say often when discussing stuff like this, or even on a topic like, parents who think their kids do no wrong... A lot of people will believe what they want to believe. There's a lot of reasons for that, but when you boil it down, that's what remains.
footballer
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It is my understanding that the Secret Service is in complete control of the perimeter of the event. They are there there days ahead of time and identify ALL places that a shooter could access, to hide, to have line of sight to the target. They close off any buildings that may give an assassin
line of sight. The SS are trained to know and recognize where law enforcement are supposed to be at ALL times. They are supposed to know where ALL SS are located and on which roofs they are stationed. Taking chances of not knowing is playing with fire.
I have looked at that WSJ video a few times now and will probably look at it a few more times. It seems to me that the actual video does not match up with the aerial photo they show. In the video, it seems to show the SS snipers to Trump's upper right, that is, if he looked up to his right, he would see the snipers on that red building with the white roof. The aerial photo shows the SS snipers on 2 buildings behind the podium. and the assassin to be on a rooftop to Trump's upper right. As of right now, I can't make sense of that. Though the camera angles of the vid may be throwing me off. I need to study some more and maybe see some more vids,
Also, Rsedge72 has posted an X video of a retired sniper. It is posted in Our Lives in the thread The assassination attempt on Trump.
I believe it is the 13'th post down from the top. He wasn't SS but he gives some serious insights into how shit is supposed to go down.
Could this be a fake? Sure it could be. But from what I have learned in the past, he seems to be spot on with his opinions.
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