🏈 A day later, I ponder if we’re overreacting to Alabama’s loss at FSU.

Two teams who had very underwhelming seasons and a program who just came off a 2-10 season. We looked for improvements in year two under DeBoer, but unfortunately, it looks like the same problems persists. Self-inflicted penalties that extend drives; poor leadership; and obvious lack of preparation. All the talk of accountability seems to have gone out the window.

 

[mando]

The ONLY metric that matters is whats done on the field.

Bottom line for sure but what is happening during the off season and game week prep is what is going to determine what happens on the field.

 

[ElephantStomp]

I'll say this... maybe it's some weird coincidence, or maybe it's something more. But this is a fact: Nobody played harder on Saturday than the 2 UW transfers (and DeBoer "guys"), Germie Bernard and Parker Brailsford. I'll even add another UW guy in Josh Cuevas and make it a trio. He too played his ass off from what I saw.

I thought they played outstanding as did Rico Scott (a DeBoer recruit). I’m not saying Saban was horrible (obviously), but I think maybe a culture change is needed.

 

[ElephantStomp]

I appreciate the positive outlook.... but that was a whole other situation compared to now. I'm gonna try to remain positive, but it's difficult to right now.

Not that different, a culture change is needed. The culture when Saban took over was absolutely terrible. As @Brandon Van de Graaff said the hardest workers Saturday were UW guys (DeBoer guys) and Rico Scott (DeBoer recruit). The dude just coached a team to the National Championship, so he’s a damn good coach

 

[mando]

DeBoer has lost 3 of 4 and all that is silly.

I think he is 5-5 over the last 10 games.... Not sure what about that is silly because that is telling of where the team is.

I keep holding out hope that CKD has the answers. I keep hoping that his record before Bama is more indicative of the quality of coach he is. I keep holding out hope that the off season chatter had to have some truth behind it especially when I have heard past players talk about it as well as CNS. With that said it is getting harder to keep that hope but just like I have done from day one I will continue to watch it play out on the field. Results on the field will be the ultimate judge and indicator.

 

[Scrape&Search1032]

Not that different, a culture change is needed. The culture when Saban took over was absolutely terrible. As @Brandon Van de Graaff said the hardest workers Saturday were UW guys (DeBoer guys) and Rico Scott (DeBoer recruit). The dude just coached a team to the National Championship, so he’s a damn good coach

Again, I'm trying to be positive.

 

[TerryP]

We overreact to everything

95% of the fan base isn't everything, nor everyone. A lot that say they aren't over reacting; they are.

I caught a conversation between two Bama fans; BamaBill and TomTide.

BamaBill: "We need to return to the Saban era attitude and mindset!!!"
TomTide asked, "Does that include the 24 hour rule?"

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Another A LOT:

You'll see a lot of people posting their views and opinions and a lot of what they are saying is pretty spot on: solid observations, ya know? The over reactions come in the same sentence occasionally, in the same post quite often. I've seen people talk about Ty being uncomfortable. That's true. I've seen the same people call him a high school quarterback in the same paragraph. That's not true, and it is an overreaction; of the knee jerk variety.

But hey ... that's just how I see things right now.

 

[TerryP]

And I just can't wrap my mind around why it is a team wide issue that appears to be growing like a cancer.

they may have spread and become rooted.

Let's go "Vulcan" for a second and have a mind meld.

Rooted, implies root, which comes from the seed. When was it planted?

Looking at the effort/mentality bit under these lens I'd suggest we looking at 2021/'22. It isn't something the new staff brought with them.

This leaves two options: handle it like CNS or a different way? It's my opinion the CNS way just doesn't work today. It can with some kids but I don't believe it does with the majority.

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[BamaFan334]

Not that different, a culture change is needed. The culture when Saban took over was absolutely terrible. As @Brandon Van de Graaff said the hardest workers Saturday were UW guys (DeBoer guys) and Rico Scott (DeBoer recruit). The dude just coached a team to the National Championship, so he’s a damn good coach

There is no way you can compare what Saban inherited versus was DeBoer inherited. Players, facilities, coaches, money. university backing, DeBoer was gifted all of that from Saban. Yes, it took Kirby a couple of years to get Georgia going again and he inherited a better program than Richt did, but Kirby also had to update facilities and get those extras that made Alabama so great, so that's where my little bit of grace comes from.

BUT, you don't get eight months to prepare and bring that product to the field. For goodness sake you get the transfer portal and NIL to take just about any player you want and here we are now talking about lack of effort??? A head coach, CEO, GM, president don't get to blame others, they can only blame themselves for allowing it. Holding people accountable is key. Hindsight is 20/20, but you almost wish he allowed last year's team to implode to get a better jump on this year. Atleast last year people would have understood.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

See a lot this weekend. ... it is ULM but effort....
This away game thing is puzzling more than anything i have ever seen from a bama team. And throwing in being +points favorite...3-4 times....

Dont know what to make of it.... usually...sometimes...getting away from home can keep focus up...less distractions... ummmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Slickmullet]

I just rewatched it. I think we have room for a lot of improvement but I think a lot of it is fixable.

-Deontae Lawson is a liability at this point. Slow, doesn’t attack.
-Stop freaking subbing so many players on defense. What a joke. 1 TD was a result of this.
-Play 500x more aggressive on defense, swarm to the ball
-Bench Bray Hubbard to send a message. That was pitiful effort.

I think Ty will settle in and do some good things. Run the ball more.

 

[footballer]

Let's go "Vulcan" for a second and have a mind meld.

Rooted, implies root, which comes from the seed. When was it planted?

Looking at the effort/mentality bit under these lens I'd suggest we looking at 2021/'22. It isn't something the new staff brought with them.

This leaves two options: handle it like CNS or a different way? It's my opinion the CNS way just doesn't work today. It can with some kids but I don't believe it does with the majority.

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I agree with what you are saying here about seeds being planted and taking root. I have been thinking about this for a few years now and right or wrong, this is my take.

I believe the seeds of complacency were sewed in 2020. CNS got caught between a rock and a hard place, damned if he did and damned if he didn't. That is his decision to stand with his players and do the BLM march in August , 2020. It payed off that Covid year with a NC. Those seeds were planted then and have taken solid root since, not unlike kudzu. It spreads throughout the team and is hard to get rid of. It has since come to light that the BLM movement was mostly a ploy by it's founders to enrich themselves and do very little to help any of the Black population or affect the culture of our nation.

At this point, CNS program began to slide down hill and he could read the writing on the wall. I think he realized what was happening as his old school ways of getting results on the field were fading away. His players , essentially had him in the palm of their collective hands. CNS bark became worse than his bite, and his players took advantage of their new found knowledge. Throw in the fact of his age and mellowing out somewhat and the rules changes allowing transfer at will and pay for play BS that has changed college athletics for the worst forever.

So, what do we have now? A team of entitled, highly honed athletes who play less than average in games they should win going away.
Today, what does CKD have to do to get everyone's attention, players AND coaches? Pet them, pat them on the head, buy them ice cream? No.
Fire and brimstone? Work their asses until they puke like The Junction Boys CPBB coached at A+M? Maybe.

I don't have an answer for today's questions. The troubling thought that comes to me is, Hell, there may be NO affective answer.

 

[shipley00]

Look at it this way. Bama might not have fired Shula if he had actually fired his OC. Then we wouldn't have had a Saban. Will Deboer fire Womack?

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

Look at it this way. Bama might not have fired Shula if he had actually fired his OC. Then we wouldn't have had a Saban. Will Deboer fire Womack?

If things don't miraculously turn around, he will have to. Will cost just under $2 million after this season, but trigger will have to be pulled.

 

[Scrape&Search1032]

If things don't miraculously turn around, he will have to. Will cost just under $2 million after this season, but trigger will have to be pulled.

If things don't progress the other way, he better watch himself as well, because I've been slowly collecting up money for that buyout with my sure-fire, never failing system for making money.

 

[ElephantStomp]

There is no way you can compare what Saban inherited versus was DeBoer inherited. Players, facilities, coaches, money. university backing, DeBoer was gifted all of that from Saban. Yes, it took Kirby a couple of years to get Georgia going again and he inherited a better program than Richt did, but Kirby also had to update facilities and get those extras that made Alabama so great, so that's where my little bit of grace comes from.

BUT, you don't get eight months to prepare and bring that product to the field. For goodness sake you get the transfer portal and NIL to take just about any player you want and here we are now talking about lack of effort??? A head coach, CEO, GM, president don't get to blame others, they can only blame themselves for allowing it. Holding people accountable is key. Hindsight is 20/20, but you almost wish he allowed last year's team to implode to get a better jump on this year. Atleast last year people would have understood.

DeBoer did inherit better facilities and such, but again as I said there needs to be a culture change. The best players Saturday were dudes that followed DeBoer to Bama.

 

[BamaFan334]

DeBoer did inherit better facilities and such, but again as I said there needs to be a culture change. The best players Saturday were dudes that followed DeBoer to Bama.

How long does that take? He's had a year and a half at this point to instill that. I'm not buying into the "Washington guys both performed" because they somehow are bought into the culture and no one else has. Too vague for me. Bernard was as steady as they come last year and that has continued this year. He's another Kevin Norwood. Love Bernard and hope he gets an opportunity at the next level because to me he is the quintessential team player. That's more of who they are as "Mr. Clutch" than anything in my eyes. Brailsford is a pre-season All-American, so him performing well isn't a shocker either. We knew what we got when he was planning to transfer and we were hoping for a Dickerson type leader. Proctor has high billing, but I haven't bought into his projections yet as I'm still waiting to see that dominance. Only brought him up due to the Draft hype. Either way, it shouldn't take this long to build a new culture. We're going through it now at my company in the Atlanta office and I can tell you we have turned things around in a few months time, and that's dealing with age, egos, and years of bad habits.

 

[TerryP]

This is something I've been mentioning off and on since the beginning of C-19: the effect it was having and would have on kids. I point to '21 because that's when we first saw the high school seniors of '20 in UA athletics. I haven't seen any 'return to normal' in the '21, '22...classes.

No classroom. Some of these kids didn't play or practice. And then we add all the other events happening?

I don't have an answer for today's questions. The troubling thought that comes to me is, Hell, there may be NO affective answer.

Causation / correlation ... one can only watch and speculate.

Their goals, the teams', are still within reach. We'll soon see from what and how they are made.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Well. We are somewhat behind the bama bench. I will see what i see and say what i saw.

I wanna see a fired up bench.

 

[Scrape&Search1032]

Well. We are somewhat behind the bama bench. I will see what i see and say what i saw.

I wanna see a fired up bench.

Me to man.

 

[Krimson]

This is something I've been mentioning off and on since the beginning of C-19: the effect it was having and would have on kids. I point to '21 because that's when we first saw the high school seniors of '20 in UA athletics. I haven't seen any 'return to normal' in the '21, '22...classes.

No classroom. Some of these kids didn't play or practice. And then we add all the other events happening?



Causation / correlation ... one can only watch and speculate.

Their goals, the teams', are still within reach. We'll soon see from what and how they are made.

Associate it more with immature teens coming into large sums of money myself. We've all seen rich kids and how some of them acted and most of them were used to having money. Many of these kids aren't used to it and have no guidance from home in how to manage it. I've said before if I had been given millions at 19 I would've acted more of an idiot than I did and that's scary.