About as bad as Georgia Tech with like 7 (Paul Johnson) triple option style QB's on the roster, starting duel threat true freshman qb and beating FSU at their place running the shotgun spread, grant it that they didn't score many points (had 2 fg's and an extra point blocked), but they moved the ball good (around 470 yards of offense)..... give GT defense credit though, they looked pretty good or FSU's O-line sux really bad...... On topic, Kansas or Iowa State, take your pick.... both were baboon ass ugly.