| FTBL When can Bama expect a new AD

[Guest]

LSU just hired one and it got me to thinking (along with another poster) when can we expect to have a new AD?

Mal Moore while raking in serious dollars for the University has been a failure x10 as AD IMO. Anywhere else and he would have been fired NUMEROUS times.

We have continued to let him hang on to the position as our programs have crumbled.


Its clear we are never going to fire the guy....So when is he ever going to retire?

 

[crimsontradition14]

What are the possibilities of CNS taking over when he steps down from the head coach position?

 

[BamaJay73]

IMHO he's done a great job with the facilities, & he landed CNS.

 

[Guest]

IMO Ozzie Newsome would be a great choice when the time comes. I think that he would be receptive to the idea.

 

[Swamptick]

Mal Moore while raking in serious dollars for the University has been a failure x10 as AD IMO.

What reasons do you give for this?

 

[Guest]

Mal Moore while raking in serious dollars for the University has been a failure x10 as AD IMO.

What reasons do you give for this?

For one, checkout the Sears Directors Cup standings for te years since CMM had been AD and see how Alabama stands in all sports.

 

[shipley00]

IMHO he's done a great job with the facilities, & he landed CNS.

What he said.

 

[Swamptick]

Mal Moore while raking in serious dollars for the University has been a failure x10 as AD IMO.

What reasons do you give for this?

For one, checkout the Sears Directors Cup standings for te years since CMM had been AD and see how Alabama stands in all sports.

I am not a MM apologist but overall I think he has done a good job. There is a finite amount of resource that can be dedicated to anything. I think MM has sacrificed short term gains for long term vision. Under him the facilities have been made world class (for the most part) and that is a long term proposition. Resource and time have been poured into making the U of A a place that stands out among other schools in the ultra competitive SEC.

Couple that with him landing Coach Saban and doing a decent job under exceedingly difficult circumstances (most of which were out of his control) and I think he will be remembered fondly when he is gone. Nobody could have seen Coach Fran leaving in the way he did, nor the Price fiasco that led to a last minute hiring of Shula. I seem to remember at the time most people liking the Shula hire including most people on this site. It seemed the right thing at the time. Hindsight is always 20/20 but Mal is not to be blamed for Fran/Price and Shula was the only one ready in such short notice. The sanctions are also not totally at the feet of MM. Still, I realize figure heads get all the blame (or at least the lion's share).

 

[ghice]

Mal Moore while raking in serious dollars for the University has been a failure x10 as AD IMO.

What reasons do you give for this?

For one, checkout the Sears Directors Cup standings for te years since CMM had been AD and see how Alabama stands in all sports.

I am not a MM apologist but overall I think he has done a good job. There is a finite amount of resource that can be dedicated to anything. I think MM has sacrificed short term gains for long term vision. Under him the facilities have been made world class (for the most part) and that is a long term proposition. Resource and time have been poured into making the U of A a place that stands out among other schools in the ultra competitive SEC.

Couple that with him landing Coach Saban and doing a decent job under exceedingly difficult circumstances (most of which were out of his control) and I think he will be remembered fondly when he is gone. Nobody could have seen Coach Fran leaving in the way he did, nor the Price fiasco that led to a last minute hiring of Shula. I seem to remember at the time most people liking the Shula hire including most people on this site. It seemed the right thing at the time. Hindsight is always 20/20 but Mal is not to be blamed for Fran/Price and Shula was the only one ready in such short notice. The sanctions are also not totally at the feet of MM. Still, I realize figure heads get all the blame (or at least the lion's share).

I just hope he's watching long enough to see CNS win his first SEC and MN Championships at Bama

 

[Guest]

Swamptick, you've raised an issue I've wondered about for years. How bad would the sanctions have been had MM not been a close associate of LY. The coaches phone calls and meetings with LY were one thing. But in several places during the investigation LY and MM are linked, as in Kenny Smith showing up at LY's hotel suite and MM is there, MM staying at LY's house any time he is in Memphis. I've tried taking off my crimson colored glasses and looking at this objectively. It would not be a great jump for an observer to conclude that not only were players being paid, but coaches were involved and the AD was in the know, even though to my knowledge there has never beem anything to link MM with wrong doing in the Means case or any other. We just might have done better had MM not been our AD or had he not had the close friendship with LY.

I fault hom some for the Price hire, though by then he was under pressure from us to hire someone. When he hired Shula he didn't have much of a choice; he had to do something in a hurry.

 

[TerryP]

For the record:

LSU's new AD hire has gone over like a lead balloon in their circles. Alleva wasn't liked or respected by the Duke group before he left that job. A real telling comment on Avela came from the Washington Post when they opined, "Everyone at Duke knew that Alleva was a pleasant man whose next original idea would be his first..."

Secondly, Coach Moore recommended three people (Williamson, Croom and Shula) to Dr. Witt for the job. It was Witt's decision to give Shula the shot.

 

[Guest]

I always have and always will believe that the NCAA came down harder on Alabama because of the Mal Moore / Logan Young relationship.

I don't blame him for the Fran hire. I was all for it at the time.

Price, I never liked that hire. Even without the stripper episode, I don't think he would have ever lasted at Alabama. So, between the lack of a background check, and Mal Moore not wanting to fire him even after the stripped deal (that was basically, Pres. Witt's doing), I do fault him for Price.

Shula? At the time I was for hiring Shula, at least to some extent. I figured he had 2 choices. Hire Shula (or Croom or Williamson {Williamson being CMM's preference BTW}). Or, name Joe Kines as interim HC and let him handle the 2003 season. This gives time for a real coaching search. In retrospect, the 2nd choice would have been the best.

 

[Swamptick]

Swamptick, you've raised an issue I've wondered about for years. How bad would the sanctions have been had MM not been a close associate of LY. The coaches phone calls and meetings with LY were one thing. But in several places during the investigation LY and MM are linked, as in Kenny Smith showing up at LY's hotel suite and MM is there, MM staying at LY's house any time he is in Memphis. I've tried taking off my crimson colored glasses and looking at this objectively. It would not be a great jump for an observer to conclude that not only were players being paid, but coaches were involved and the AD was in the know, even though to my knowledge there has never beem anything to link MM with wrong doing in the Means case or any other. We just might have done better had MM not been our AD or had he not had the close friendship with LY.

I fault hom some for the Price hire, though by then he was under pressure from us to hire someone. When he hired Shula he didn't have much of a choice; he had to do something in a hurry.

Those are all truly good points. I just know MM and on a personal level he is an amazing and kind man. Believe it or not, when I was a young whipper snapper I used to cut his grass. I guess that has me looking at it from a unique perspective and I know it has nothing to do with football, but all in all I am satisfied with where we are headed in the football program (which I realize is not his only area of responsibility) so I guess I will give him a pass on some things.

 

[Guest]

I have no reason to question MM's integrity, and whatever went on with LY and the coaches I don't believe that he knew about it. Unfortunately his friendship with LY created a bad perception of him. I agree that he has done a lot of good things for U of A. When he is ready to step down I hope that it is at a time he chooses and that he can enjoy the thanks of the school he has served so long and so well.

 

[JoshB]

me and my dad were talking about how we'd love to see Coach Stallings come back and be the AD. that would be great.

 

[Guest]

I have no reason to question MM's integrity, and whatever went on with LY and the coaches I don't believe that he knew about it. Unfortunately his friendship with LY created a bad perception of him. I agree that he has done a lot of good things for U of A. When he is ready to step down I hope that it is at a time he chooses and that he can enjoy the thanks of the school he has served so long and so well.

If he didnt know anything about it......He should have been fired for ignorance IMO

 

[Biff Grub]

I have no reason to question MM's integrity, and whatever went on with LY and the coaches I don't believe that he knew about it. Unfortunately his friendship with LY created a bad perception of him. I agree that he has done a lot of good things for U of A. When he is ready to step down I hope that it is at a time he chooses and that he can enjoy the thanks of the school he has served so long and so well.

If he didnt know anything about it......He should have been fired for ignorance IMO

With your bounty of knowledge maybe you should apply for the job.

 

[Guest]

I have no reason to question MM's integrity, and whatever went on with LY and the coaches I don't believe that he knew about it. Unfortunately his friendship with LY created a bad perception of him. I agree that he has done a lot of good things for U of A. When he is ready to step down I hope that it is at a time he chooses and that he can enjoy the thanks of the school he has served so long and so well.

If he didnt know anything about it......He should have been fired for ignorance IMO

Gee. The man was hired as AD in November of 1999. The Fulmer/Kramer faxes were in 1998, and pretty much all of the Means crap happened prior to Moore being hired. Moore was hired right after Dubose beat Auburn and had us in the SECCG. Firing xCMD would not have gone over well at that point and as the new AD, Moore had a ton of things to deal with. Nobody (including Mal) knew what would be uncovered over the next 12 months.

I really hate revisionist history.

 

[Guest]

Moore was an asst AD when he went to LY's hotel room and Kenny Smith was there.

And sure, he may not and maybe was not in a position to know about the dealings with Means. But, he knew that the NCAA was looking at LY very hard, yet he continued to be associated with him even after he became AD. That doesn't look good to folks outside the program and the NCAA.

I like Mal Moore. I think he is a good person, and I appreciate what he has done for The U of A. But it is about time to move on IMO.

 

[Guest]

Moore was an asst AD when he went to LY's hotel room and Kenny Smith was there.

And sure, he may not and maybe was not in a position to know about the dealings with Means. But, he knew that the NCAA was looking at LY very hard, yet he continued to be associated with him even after he became AD. That doesn't look good to folks outside the program and the NCAA.

I like Mal Moore. I think he is a good person, and I appreciate what he has done for The U of A. But it is about time to move on IMO.

I agree with everything you posted except..... Id use LONG PAST time to move on.