🏈 What's your, or the, biggest over reaction to this past weekends games?

[Rsedge72]

Took the words right out of my mouth, or keyboard!!!!

 

[UAgrad93]

As usual, the hype of UGA and the Barn. Barn gets the benefit of a badly missed call on both crew and instant replay at the end of the half that was a HUGE momentum swing their way. UGA struggled mightily against Arky before finally pulling away. LSwho is what most football people thought, a team that lost WAY TOO MANY to overcome and sustain what they had last year. As usual, all media were too blind to see it.

 

[rick4bama]

Only a handfull of players in all of college football know how to tackle. None of them at Alabama.

I think this is the first time, that I can remember seeing that many miss tackle. Are should I say two handed touch football or was it one handed?

 

[252BAMA]

As usual, the hype of UGA and the Barn. Barn gets the benefit of a badly missed call on both crew and instant replay at the end of the half that was a HUGE momentum swing their way. UGA struggled mightily against Arky before finally pulling away. LSwho is what most football people thought, a team that lost WAY TOO MANY to overcome and sustain what they had last year. As usual, all media were too blind to see it.

How huge was the end of the half? Put yourself in the mind of a UK player. If i am a UK player it takes all the air out of my balloon. I'm thinking why the hell bother if we execute correctly and the refs take it away from us.

Incredible what goes on down there. If they don't luck up or cheat and do something to win, the refs take care of it anyway. And it has been going on from day one in regards to Bama. The very first TD ever scored on Bama there they had 12 men on the field.

 

[planomateo]

Best underraction...

You'd think that during the COVID-19 times, people being pent up inside, they'd be watching more professional sports.

College football is whopping professional sports ass in the ratings department and it isn't close.

Take a knee dumbassery. Pick your social injustice dumbassery.

 

[TerryP]

As usual, all media were too blind to see it.

I was out on the water a bit this morning and remembered there were four that gave LSU a #1 slot in the polls. I think that was in the AP, might have been coaches.

College football is whopping professional sports ass in the ratings department and it isn't close.

I've yet to see those numbers...gotta run soon or I'd look them up.

 

[planomateo]

Don't know why I didn't exclude the NFL from my statement earlier. They still rule the ratings, always will.

Ratings are down across the board, just not as bad in college football.

 

[mando]

Tide giving up 260 yards per game.

That is pretty good D. the 2011 was a great D. I am talking about very good D. Sure the offenses have changed but not to the point Bama should be giving up 300+ yards/game. Give me the 260 yards/game and I will take it in a heart beat. At this point I really am looking for sub 300 yards.

 

[Rolltide24]

Over reaction? Those saying our kicking game is back.

Just kidding, guys!

 

[TerryP]

That is pretty good D. the 2011 was a great D. I am talking about very good D. Sure the offenses have changed but not to the point Bama should be giving up 300+ yards/game. Give me the 260 yards/game and I will take it in a heart beat. At this point I really am looking for sub 300 yards.

There's the point, mando. 95% of FBS teams allowed 300+ last season.

 

[mando]

There's the point, mando. 95% of FBS teams allowed 300+ last season.

I did not know that stat but I guess I am not surprised. Maybe I am way off on my expectation but I still believe good to great D should be the Bama way AND that means sub 300 yards/game. If 5% can do it then Bama should be in that 5%.

Honestly when a team gets much more than 300 yard unless you those track back to a few large gains then the other team is controlling the ball and to some degree the game.

@TerryP so what metric for yds/game and points/game would you use in todays College football world to measure a great D? Maybe this deserves its own thread. Not meaning to hijack this one.

 

[NickelDoubleDog]

I did not know that stat but I guess I am not surprised. Maybe I am way off on my expectation but I still believe good to great D should be the Bama way AND that means sub 300 yards/game. If 5% can do it then Bama should be in that 5%.

Honestly when a team gets much more than 300 yard unless you those track back to a few large gains then the other team is controlling the ball and to some degree the game.

@TerryP so what metric for yds/game and points/game would you use in todays College football world to measure a great D? Maybe this deserves its own thread. Not meaning to hijack this one.

Yards per play
3rd down conversion %
Turnovers

Those would be the 3 I'd track first.

 

[TerryP]

@TerryP so what metric for yds/game and points/game would you use in todays College football world to measure a great D? Maybe this deserves its own thread. Not meaning to hijack this one.

I've pointed to efficiency numbers for several years now. As example, there were only six or seven teams that did better than Bama last year in DTD (touchdown rate.) I'll have to double back and look at the numbers (DFEI from '19) to break this down even further but I can say this no doubt; efficiency wise Bama fielded a top ten defense last season. As I recall the weakest area of efficiency was DFD (first down rate) where Bama came in at .700. The best team last season, Ohio State, posted .550 I believe.

In the end there's a lot about last year that requires context. I can't subjectively compare a defense with so many young guys thrown to the wolves against a team that upperclassmen laden: like UGA last season.

 

[mando]

Yards per play
3rd down conversion %
Turnovers

Those would be the 3 I'd track first.

I can see that list but the per game stats also matter at least to me but yes they can get skewed when subs go into the game in the 4th qtr. When Bama only gave up 113 yards in the first half the perception was the D played well and I agree. Then in the 2nd half they gave up almost 200 yards and the perception was the D did not play well. That also showed up on the scoreboard.

What about rush yards/game? I picked on the total yards/game but I also expect rush yards per game to be less than 100. Would love for it to hover around the 80 or less per game (We held Mizzou to 69 after sacks). That is when you are making the other team one dimensional. They give up trying to run mostly. 3rd down conversion can be misleading if they are getting chunk yardage so they never get to 3rd down but I get your point because it is usually an indication that the D is staying or getting of the field.

 

[TerryP]

I can see that list but the per game stats also matter at least to me but yes they can get skewed when subs go into the game in the 4th qtr.

BTW, DFEI doesn't include garbage time possessions, drives, or scores.

 

[mando]

I've pointed to efficiency numbers for several years now. As example, there were only six or seven teams that did better than Bama last year in DTD (touchdown rate.) I'll have to double back and look at the numbers (DFEI from '19) to break this down even further but I can say this no doubt; efficiency wise Bama fielded a top ten defense last season. As I recall the weakest area of efficiency was DFD (first down rate) where Bama came in at .700. The best team last season, Ohio State, posted .550 I believe.

In the end there's a lot about last year that requires context. I can't subjectively compare a defense with so many young guys thrown to the wolves against a team that upperclassmen laden: like UGA last season.

I do not think the standard should change but the youth certainly provides the context for why the unit did not measure up to the standard. No way I can look back on last years D and say they were a good D as compared to the Bama standard.

 

[NickelDoubleDog]

I can see that list but the per game stats also matter at least to me but yes they can get skewed when subs go into the game in the 4th qtr. When Bama only gave up 113 yards in the first half the perception was the D played well and I agree. Then in the 2nd half they gave up almost 200 yards and the perception was the D did not play well. That also showed up on the scoreboard.

What about rush yards/game? I picked on the total yards/game but I also expect rush yards per game to be less than 100. Would love for it to hover around the 80 or less per game (We held Mizzou to 69 after sacks). That is when you are making the other team one dimensional. They give up trying to run mostly. 3rd down conversion can be misleading if they are getting chunk yardage so they never get to 3rd down but I get your point because it is usually an indication that the D is staying or getting of the field.

After LSU-Miss St, I would not use rush yards has an indicator, though I get your point.

Yards per game can be skewed by how fast your offense goes, or how many points you score. Advanced stats could factor in when backups come in.

Total yards allowed is certainly important, it's just somewhat dependent on how fast YOU go on offense. The more plays you give your opponent, the more yards they will get.

 

[mando]

After LSU-Miss St, I would not use rush yards has an indicator, though I get your point.

That is why I typically do not use one sample/game. Over time the real story always emerges. There is also always context to be looked at. It still bugs me when in the 4th qtr even with subs in we give up points and yards but at least when that happens I know there is a bigger picture reason for doing so.

 

[TerryP]

Greg Mac just said PItts (UF) was double teamed three times on his touchdowns.

 

[Elderfalsedemigod]

Greg Mac just said PItts (UF) was double teamed three times on his touchdowns.

I wouldn’t argue that he wasn’t but myself and a random member here could also double team him and probably only do slightly worse than OM defenders