🌎 Welp, this is a crazy one. ICE detains current school superintendent who was under a deportation order from '24. He ran, had a gun ...

https://www.kcci.com/article/ian-roberts-des-moines-schools-superintendent-detained-by-ice/68080086

 

[TerryP]

Urine tests are crazy to me for new hires. To pop on anything besides weed you'd have to be so addicted you couldn't stay off it for a couple days. Weed is legal in over half the states now. Why bother?
Use hair if you want to find out if they've used.

The test can tell how frequently and/or recently people have used marijuana. Experience. Didn't care because it didn't matter.

I'm with you. If a guy shows up positive for coke? Habitual, or very recent. I've seen highly functioning coke heads.

 

[ElephantStomp]

Nothing amazes me in education these days. This does not speak well for the school districts where he was the superintendent. The county, city or exempted village office takes fingerprints and then it is run through the FBI and state background check system. I would like to know how nothing came up?

Background checks don’t show immigration status, law enforcement can see if there’s an immigration hold, but business background checks don’t show that

 

[ElephantStomp]

It leaves me wondering what kind of commissary ICE detention facilities have. Where's he going to spend the money?

"They did a criminal background check. Not immigration status." Yeah, that doesn't make this more clear.

IF I were to hire someone and pay them and they are illegal, I'd face prosecution/charges. Why aren't they?

Willfully and knowingly hiring somebody with that status would result in charges, but if it can be proven they didn’t know then you can’t file charges. A normal pre employment background check doesn’t show immigration status nor does it show ICE detainers

 

[TerryP]

Willfully and knowingly hiring somebody with that status would result in charges, but if it can be proven they didn’t know then you can’t file charges.

How would an employer not know the immigration status of an employee? A little thing called I-9?

If the Dr. lied on his I-9? There are four different consequences including civil, criminal, termination, and deportation.

In either case, "I didn't know" isn't a defense. Ignorance has never worked as a defense especially when it's contrived.

 

[TerryP]

This is off the top of my head so I won't get the jargon right. It's been several years since I've read about violations.

In this case, I'm not talking about the doc. It's the school board / employer.

I remember three type of violations and two of them I thought were pretty close to each other. There's one considered a little mistake. It moves up a step when it comes to how the I-9 is completed. As I recall it's supposed to be completed and submitted within three days of the new hire date. A week? That's a violation: likely civil.

Then there's the last one which deals with not verifying eligibility. It deals with hiring unauthorized workers (like the Hyundai deal.) This is the big one and what they didn't do.

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The curve ball for me is how they suspended him with pay and didn't immediately fire him. Suspended, means he's still employed, which is a direct violation of the law.

 

[Krimson]

How would an employer not know the immigration status of an employee? A little thing called I-9?

If the Dr. lied on his I-9? There are four different consequences including civil, criminal, termination, and deportation.

In either case, "I didn't know" isn't a defense. Ignorance has never worked as a defense especially when it's contrived.

What I was thinking. Every job has asked if I'm legally allowed to work in the US. Pretty dumb if they're taking my word for it but maybe they'll just ask if I smoke if I have to apply again.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I've seen highly functioning coke heads.

Thank you.

 

[TerryP]

What I was thinking. Every job has asked if I'm legally allowed to work in the US. Pretty dumb if they're taking my word for it but maybe they'll just ask if I smoke if I have to apply again.

As an independent contractor you still have to fill out the I-9 to verification. I have. (There are a few exceptions but I don't think he's changing the sheets in some domicile.)

It appears he just lied an no one bothered to check and we're not talking about his immigration status alone. I've seen reports this morning from Morgan State: "he attended, but didn't finish." And that doctorate? MIT says they've never heard of him. George Washington has said this award he's claimed about being "Principle of the Year" doesn't even exist.

 

[Krimson]

As an independent contractor you still have to fill out the I-9 to verification. I have. (There are a few exceptions but I don't think he's changing the sheets in some domicile.)

It appears he just lied an no one bothered to check and we're not talking about his immigration status alone. I've seen reports this morning from Morgan State: "he attended, but didn't finish." And that doctorate? MIT says they've never heard of him. George Washington has said this award he's claimed about being "Principle of the Year" doesn't even exist.

Sounds like the school board needs to be fired as well.

 

[ElephantStomp]

How would an employer not know the immigration status of an employee? A little thing called I-9?

If the Dr. lied on his I-9? There are four different consequences including civil, criminal, termination, and deportation.

In either case, "I didn't know" isn't a defense. Ignorance has never worked as a defense especially when it's contrived.

Yes, I’m aware of the I-9. If somebody showed the proper paperwork, visa, ssn, etc then the employer wouldn't know any different. It would have to be proven that the school board in this case knew without a doubt that he was here illegally.

If the Dr lied then that’s different than the school board knowing

 

[TerryP]

If the Dr lied then that’s different than the school board knowing

That was a headline I saw this morning. I haven't been afforded the time to see how much of it was true. I can't recall the outlet; Google News feed on my phone where I have no preferences and little history. I can't see the author making up several quotes from those institutions.

Yes, I’m aware of the I-9. If somebody showed the proper paperwork, visa, ssn, etc then the employer wouldn't know any different. It would have to be proven that the school board in this case knew without a doubt that he was here illegally.

This is where the water turns from murky to dirty. It wouldn't be just this instance where it was missed; his last employer would have had to do the same. No doubt the ball was dropped, punctuated, and then shredded ... somewhere, more than once.

I don't have any experience on the administrative side of HR. I know they make the copies, keep all of that one file, and are required to submit it within a time frame. I transposed two numbers and it was caught quite quickly; within 48 hours I believe.

Several chapters in this little story ... crazy one.

 

[ElephantStomp]

That was a headline I saw this morning. I haven't been afforded the time to see how much of it was true. I can't recall the outlet; Google News feed on my phone where I have no preferences and little history. I can't see the author making up several quotes from those institutions.

This is where the water turns from murky to dirty. It wouldn't be just this instance where it was missed; his last employer would have had to do the same. No doubt the ball was dropped, punctuated, and then shredded ... somewhere, more than once.

I don't have any experience on the administrative side of HR. I know they make the copies, keep all of that one file, and are required to submit it within a time frame. I transposed two numbers and it was caught quite quickly; within 48 hours I believe.

Several chapters in this little story ... crazy one.

There were obvious things missed, I’m not saying that all

 

[TerryP]

There were obvious things missed, I’m not saying that all

@alabama mike are teaching and admin jobs annual contracts?

I think 'ignored' needs to replace 'missed.' Once too many times from my view.

I'd think criminal background checks are conducted yearly on school personnel. If not, why the hell not?

 

[TerryP]

IF you sold cars how often do they check your DL or criminal records? I'd bet, often. Liability.

...more important than children?

 

[ElephantStomp]

@alabama mike are teaching and admin jobs annual contracts?

I think 'ignored' needs to replace 'missed.' Once too many times from my view.

I'd think criminal background checks are conducted yearly on school personnel. If not, why the hell not?

Criminal background checks don’t show immigration status. We have to search the database to see immigration holds/retainers, NCIC doesn’t show that, so school personnel could get one done weekly and it wouldn’t change cases like this

 

[TerryP]

Criminal background checks don’t show immigration status. We have to search the database to see immigration holds/retainers, NCIC doesn’t show that, so school personnel could get one done weekly and it wouldn’t change cases like this

I-9's do. That's the point. Every new hire has one.

If it's a new annual contract, wouldn't it be a new I-9?

 

[ElephantStomp]

I-9's do. That's the point. Every new hire has one.

If it's a new annual contract, wouldn't it be a new I-9?

They put the info in and send it. If he gives them his Visa then they wouldn’t have any clue. I-9 doesn’t tell the employer if they’re here illegally or not. The government informs them if there’s an issue and the employer has to make changes. So, if the government notified the employer about his immigration status and they didn’t do anything then they should be held accountable

 

[TerryP]

They put the info in and send it. If he gives them his Visa then they wouldn’t have any clue. I-9 doesn’t tell the employer if they’re here illegally or not. The government informs them if there’s an issue and the employer has to make changes. So, if the government notified the employer about his immigration status and they didn’t do anything then they should be held accountable

That's the way I see it. There is a notification.

My gut tells me the school board ignored it...the lawsuit against the background company, which isn't responsible in some areas, gives me that notion.

 

[ElephantStomp]

That's the way I see it. There is a notification.

My gut tells me the school board ignored it...the lawsuit against the background company, which isn't responsible in some areas, gives me that notion.

The lawsuit against the background company is stupid and will get tossed quickly because the background as I said wouldn’t show immigration status of any kind

 

[TerryP]

The lawsuit against the background company is stupid and will get tossed quickly because the background as I said wouldn’t show immigration status of any kind

Gun charges. They got 'em there.