🏈 #TuaForHeisman season stat tracking thread

[Max]

Tua needs to have monster games against awbarn and jawja to win the Heisman.

According to whom? Two, no make that three people on Fox Sports?

People keep saying this is going to be close but there isn't anything that even indicates it'll be a close race when we look at the bookmakers.

 

[rick4bama]

The Heisman's luster was diminished the last few years due to some of the winners: Cam and pay per play stories and Johnny Manziel and every other story imaginable. I saw dozens of people mention that the foundation had lost some of its focus on what's required of a Heisman winner--character being of very little consequence.

I learned something else today. Evidently, one of the requirements of the trophy is to have a "Heisman moment."

The run again LSWHO?

 

[TerryP]

The run again LSWHO?

With a few minutes left in the third quarter, and the game well in hand, in a lot of people's eyes that didn't qualify.

 

[BamaMD]

Tua needs to have monster games against awbarn and jawja to win the Heisman.

According to whom? Two, no make that three people on Fox Sports?

People keep saying this is going to be close but there isn't anything that even indicates it'll be a close race when we look at the bookmakers.

Trust me, I absolutely despise OU and the talking heads but the numbers speak for themselves. I'm not sure the voters will penalize Murray for playing in a league with horrible defenses or being on a team that relies on him to win games. Conversely, I'm not sure the voters will reward Tua being part of a team that hasn't had to utilize him much in the second half of games. Hence my previous statement concerning Tua and the need for OU to lose to Texas. JMO.

 

[rick4bama]

Tua needs to have monster games against awbarn and jawja to win the Heisman.

According to whom? Two, no make that three people on Fox Sports?

People keep saying this is going to be close but there isn't anything that even indicates it'll be a close race when we look at the bookmakers.

Trust me, I absolutely despise OU and the talking heads but the numbers speak for themselves. I'm not sure the voters will penalize Murray for playing in a league with horrible defenses or being on a team that relies on him to win games. Conversely, I'm not sure the voters will reward Tua being part of a team that hasn't had to utilize him much in the second half of games. Hence my previous statement concerning Tua and the need for OU to lose to Texas. JMO.

Do you think Texas can beat Oklahoma twice in a year? The Big 12 play this Conf. game in Jerry World right?

 

[TerryP]

Trust me, I absolutely despise OU and the talking heads but the numbers speak for themselves.

Now I'm a bit confused. The numbers suggest Tua needs monster games against UGA and Auburn? There's very little difference in the numbers between the two outside of the number of minutes played.

The odds were mentioned earlier in this thread. -400 vs +450 is a HUGE difference. And, that doesn't tell the entire story. Tua was -1000 up until he was pulled early from the Mississippi State game and the drop has been credited to the "knee issue."

Personally, when given the choice of taking what the media is saying about a contest versus what the bookmakers are saying? I'm going with the chalk every time.

 

[sean]

moment? MOMENT?!

how about an entire season.

a moment?! if you have to have one moment to justify winning the Heisman, then you need to stop watching or playing football. the Heisman award is for the best player..on the field...for the entire season...NOT JUST ONE PLAY OR MOMENT. what about all those players who never had their name called..then they come into a game and get a huge sack when needed for their team to win...or make in interception...or reception...or get a huge first down...at just the right moment to secure the victory? do they deserve to be put in the Heisman discussion? for one play?

i get so tired of "Heisman moment". if we base it off of one moment, then there would be about 50 guys making the trip to new york every year.

and what about last year? if we go by the whole "moment" mentality, then they should've waited until after the championship game this past january and given it to Tua after that throw to win the game. was that a moment? yes. was it an unbelievable throw against what seemed like insurmountable odds? pretty much. up to that point, georgia was in control of that game. but that throw, that one moment, gave BAMA the win. if ever there was a moment that defined it, that was it. but it's not defined by one moment; it's defined by an entire (regular) season.

 

[Trob]

So was that a "monster" enough game for Tua? Did he have any "Heisman moments" or does he need for his team to almost lose to get any credit there?

 

[planomateo]

Updated as of Sunday Nov 24

Kyler has played ~187 mins more than Tua or ~15+ mins more per game over 12 games. I'm calculating based on when the QB's last pass was thrown if a new QB comes in the next series. If there is no QB change, the QB gets the full 60 mins for what it's worth.

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** Kyler Murray (OU) ** total 640 mins 10 secs (average 53 mins 21 secs, +37 seconds from previous week due to WVU)

FAU - (4:17 - 2nd) = 25 mins 43 secs​

UCLA - (7:40 - 4th) = 52 mins 20 secs​

Iowa State - (0:00 - 4th) = 60 mins​

Army - OT = 60 mins​

Baylor - (9:08 - 4th) = 50 mins 52 secs​

Texas - (0:00 - 4th) = 60 mins​

TCU - (0:00 - 4th) = 60 mins​

Kansas State - (8:20 - 3rd) 36 mins 40 secs​

Texas Tech - (0:00 - 4th) 60 mins​

Oklahoma State - (0:00 - 4th) 60 mins​

Kansas - (5:25 - 4th) 54 mins 35 secs​

West Virginia - (0:00 - 4th) = 60 mins​

** Will Grier (WVU) ** total 605 mins 29 secs (average 55 mins 2 secs, +30 secs from previous week due to OU) note: 11 games due to canceled NC State game

Tennessee - (0:00 - 4th) = 60 mins​

YSU - (14:37 - 4th) = 45 mins 23 secs​

NC State - cancelled​

Kansas State - (6:05 - 4th) = 53 mins 55 secs​

Texas Tech - (0:00 - 4th) = 60 mins​

Kansas - (2:20 - 4th) = 57 mins 40 secs​

Iowa State - (0:00 - 4th) = 60 mins​

Baylor - (5:34 - 3rd) = 39 mins 26 secs​

Texas - (0:00 - 4th) = 60 mins​

TCU - (10:55 - 4th) = 49 mins 5 sec​

Oklahoma State - (0:00 - 4th) 60 mins​

Oklahoma - (0:00 - 4th) = 60 mins​

** Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama) ** total 453 mins 40 secs (average 37 mins 48 secs, +42 secs from previous week due to Auburn)

Louisville - (10:03 - 3rd) = 34 mins 57 secs​

Arkansas State - (1:30 - 3rd) = 43 mins 30 secs​

Ole Miss - (7:18 - 2nd) = 22 mins 42 secs​

TAMU - (2:01 - 3rd) = 42 mins 59 secs​

Louisana - (1:28 - 2nd) = 18 mins 32 secs​

Arkansas - (8:47 - 3rd) = 36 mins 13 secs​

Missouri - (11:54 - 3rd) = 33 mins 06 secs​

Tennessee - (12:53 - 3rd) = 32 mins 07 secs​

LSU - (2:24 - 4th) = 57 mins 36 secs​

Miss State - (2:10 - 3rd) = 42 mins 50 secs​

The Citadel - (1:24 - 3rd) = 43 mins 35 secs​

Auburn - (14:27 - 4th) = 45 mins 33 secs​

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

I believe #13 won that StiffArm Trophy tonight.

 

[BamaMD]

Tua needs to have monster games against awbarn and jawja to win the Heisman.

According to whom? Two, no make that three people on Fox Sports?

People keep saying this is going to be close but there isn't anything that even indicates it'll be a close race when we look at the bookmakers.

Trust me, I absolutely despise OU and the talking heads but the numbers speak for themselves. I'm not sure the voters will penalize Murray for playing in a league with horrible defenses or being on a team that relies on him to win games. Conversely, I'm not sure the voters will reward Tua being part of a team that hasn't had to utilize him much in the second half of games. Hence my previous statement concerning Tua and the need for OU to lose to Texas. JMO.

Do you think Texas can beat Oklahoma twice in a year? The Big 12 play this Conf. game in Jerry World right?

We shall see

 

[BamaMD]

So was that a "monster" enough game for Tua? Did he have any "Heisman moments" or does he need for his team to almost lose to get any credit there?

Absolutely a monster game!

 

[planomateo]

Half full vs half empty, I'll go with half full .

 

[BamaMD]

Trust me, I absolutely despise OU and the talking heads but the numbers speak for themselves.

Now I'm a bit confused. The numbers suggest Tua needs monster games against UGA and Auburn? There's very little difference in the numbers between the two outside of the number of minutes played.

The odds were mentioned earlier in this thread. -400 vs +450 is a HUGE difference. And, that doesn't tell the entire story. Tua was -1000 up until he was pulled early from the Mississippi State game and the drop has been credited to the "knee issue."

Personally, when given the choice of taking what the media is saying about a contest versus what the bookmakers are saying? I'm going with the chalk every time.

Lol, I know nothing about the odds! The most glaring difference in numbers is that Murray has rushed for almost a thousand yards with 11 TDs. Thats one stat that sticks out. Its possible that Murray will have a 4,000 pass yard and 1,000 rush yard season after the Texas game. Thats why I mentioned OU losing to Texas and Tua having a monster game against jawja as factors.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

Let's just go ahead and call it.

Go ahead and double-and-triple-check the spelling before you engrave his name into the bottom of the stiff-arm award.

We still have a game to go, and it's already his. He'd literally have to drop his game pants, shit himself, and roll around in his own shit while throwing 5 picks to UGAy in order to lose the trophy...

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

So Kannell wants his Heisman moment?

CBS says this may be it. Was his 5th TD toss of the day, 6th total with the rushing TD

 

[TerryP]

The most glaring difference in numbers is that Murray has rushed for almost a thousand yards with 11 TDs.

That's a fair point. I didn't think of the rushing yards totals when I said "one statistical difference." There's two.

Lol, I know nothing about the odds!

You can take solace, or satisfaction, that Vegas does know the odds.

Personally, I don't see UGA coming into play in this contest. It was my opinion he had it wrapped up going into the Mississippi State game, if not sooner. This weekend served to cement the race. It's also my opinion this wasn't a monster game against AU--in spite of Tua having five passing TD's. It'll likely rank as his fourth or fifth best game of the year.

 

[planomateo]

I don't give a shit about Kyler's running numbers against the Big XII run defenses...they are terrible.

Odds are now Tua -750, Kyler +585, Will +1000, Gardner +4750, Dwayne +6000.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Tua is so good on the deep ball you just forget that it's really hard to time up that thing until you watch everyone else struggling to get it right, including the NFL. So we played 12 games and not one team was within 3 TDs of the Crimson Tide. These are historic numbers and hasn't been done in modern day college football. He's also so likable that people sometimes forget he plays for Alabama.

 

[TerryP]

Odds are now Tua -750, Kyler +585, Will +1000, Gardner +4750, Dwayne +6000.

A $350 dollar bump on Tua, $135 drop on Kyler...we're getting right back to where it was around the LSU game.

I think it was you, Matt, who mentioned if OU was already going to "Kyler vs Tua" in their Heisman campaign the 'race' was already over.

If you have it lying around there's an extra $200 bucks on an average weeks paycheck.