šŸˆ To those who supported CFP expansion & are now outraged by the path it's taken... Serious question: What did you expect?

Also a bye when it’s a week off is an advantage. A bye when you’re already off a couple weeks is not an advantage. Less risk of injury sure but, when your off that long it’s a hindrance.
1st round home game is the biggest advantage.
A: home field advantage
B: your playing a lesser team to get timing back
C: the next team you play hasn’t played in a month.
 
A G4 team to play is ok. Some are as good as many P4.
But schedule 1. Ok.
Rest P4 and let committee sort it out. But if u win B12 or ACC. Ok. Ur in. But not first round bye guaranteed. Thats better.
It's hard for me to say P4. If the 4/2 automatic qualifiers mix comes to pass, it will amplify and formalize the gap between SEC/B10 and B12/ACC. It's really P2, Second 2, and the rest.
 
I see two options left before the PTB.

The 4+ model
The 5+ model.

The best of the inevitable in my view is the 5+ model with straight seeding and no byes. One of those five will be the highest rated G5 team and screw 'em if they don't like the the 16th seed.
 


MIRAMAR BEACH, Fla. — At the high end of college football, there is only one constant: the quest for more money. It has torn conferences asunder, made a mockery of the map, turned campus leaders into network toadies and pushed the education envelope past splitting.

Naturally, the involved parties still don’t have enough. Finally having to pay the work force can necessitate sending the train out in search of more gravy.

Thus the next big idea revolves around expanding the College Football Playoff (after a very brief stay at 12 teams), and perhaps also expanding the number of qualifying games for said playoff. The tentative master plan, if you can call it that, is as follows:

The Power 4 conferences want at least 14 playoff teams, and very likely 16. The two most powerful members of the Power 4, the Big Ten and Southeastern Conference, want to stack the deck with four automatic bids each to the expanded playoff. And if they get those automatic bids, the leagues also are entertaining the idea of three qualifying games: the top two teams in each of those leagues would meet for the championship and get the top two bids; meanwhile, the third-place team would play the sixth-place team and the fourth-place team would play the fifth-place team, with the winners getting the other two automatic bids.

You know what that would mean: getting the likes of the Iowa Hawkeyes in contention for a playoff bid. Try to contain your excitement.

Last season, Iowa and the Illinois Fighting Illini finished tied for fifth in the Big Ten at 6–3. If the play-in games had been around last season, both of those teams would have been in action in early December trying to make it into the CFP field. Depending how the league chose to break that tie—overall record favored the Illini—the Big Ten’s championship weekend lineup would have been: the Oregon Ducks vs. Penn State Nittany Lions for the title, as it actually played out; the No. 3 seed Indiana Hoosiers vs. No. 6 Iowa; and No. 4 seed Ohio State Buckeyes vs. No. 5 Illinois.

If they had met with a playoff berth on the line and Iowa had beaten Indiana, then a four-loss team that was defeated by the 5–7 Michigan State Spartans and 5–7 UCLA Bruins would have captured an automatic bid. In the SEC, the first task would have been breaking a six-way tie between 5–3 teams for fourth, fifth and sixth place—then watching some combination of the Alabama Crimson Tide, LSU Tigers, South Carolina Gamecocks, Ole Miss Rebels, Missouri Tigers and Texas A&M Aggies battle for bids.

There are Las Vegas casino cocktails less watered down than that playoff would be. But in pursuit of more cash—from adding a ninth SEC league game to adding these play-in games—there is an appetite for that destruction of drama.

(That plus a suddenly weird aversion to a human selection committee. This has become like a segment of the population suddenly distrusting the measles vaccine. Amazing the destruction that an Alabama exclusion last season can do to rational thought in SEC country—even though the Tide lost by three touchdowns to 6–7 Oklahoma and never led 7–6 Vanderbilt.)

Yet and still, such a format has its advocates—if, that is, a 16-team playoff with multiple automatic bids comes to fruition. None other than SEC commissioner Greg Sankey, the most important voice in the sport, is open to considering it. (ā€œAdvocateā€ might be too strong a word for Sankey.)

ā€œI think the word ā€˜hope’ is at the center,ā€ Sankey said. ā€œHow do you bring people into the conversation late in the season in this changing environment? Could you have play-in type games before you’re in the CFP selection? That’s about building interest and giving hope. Whether that’s the ultimate destination, we’ll see.ā€

Oklahoma Sooners athletic director Joe Castiglione, whose program figures to be closer to sixth in the SEC than first in 2025 and beyond, might be closer to the advocate role.

ā€œFrom what I’ve seen so far, it can be good,ā€ Castiglione says. ā€œIt keeps more teams in the hunt as long as possible and when teams are playing difficult schedules, we’re talking about the difference of one loss or maybe one more quality win that might vault them into a spot they might not have been otherwise, then it becomes attractive.

ā€œThe reverse of that too is the risk for teams that already may feel like they’re in the position to gain a playoff spot and then having to play a game and potentially risking that. So we’re trying to weigh both sides of it and ultimately make the decision that’s best.ā€

In this regard, the integrity and competitiveness of the regular season is in the eye of the beholder. As Castiglione states, more teams (and their fan bases) are in the mix longer. But at some point of diminishing returns, maintaining the ardor of the sixth-place fan base might not be worth the trade-off of producing effort-optional games late in the season for more serious title contenders who are largely assured of a top-four bid.

Prolonging fan interest for some programs could lead to waning fan interest for others. Moving to 16 teams and creating made-for-TV play-in games would diminish drama at the top of the food chain. It would smack of gimmickry. And it would be based on a fundamentally flawed premise: that there are multiple automatic bids to be had for some conferences—two in particular—that have declared themselves more equal than others.
 
I see two options left before the PTB.

The 4+ model
The 5+ model.

The best of the inevitable in my view is the 5+ model with straight seeding and no byes. One of those five will be the highest rated G5 team and screw 'em if they don't like the the 16th seed.
Straight seeding. No byes
So you like 16 team cfps???? First 8 at home. ???? Re seeding after game 1?
12+1+4 games for NC n NC runner up....17 game season ....

Players....yicks
Traveling fans....double yicks

Go to Atlanta for SEC cc game...200$ ticket + travel ( drive back n forth to here)
Host game back in ttown...200$ ticket. Plus travel (
Go to arizona for game 2....of cfp....200 ticket + plus flight plus 3 days lodging
Go to new Orleans for game 3 of cfp...200 ticket...plus travel...lodging
Go to Pasadena...400$ ticket ...plus flight...plus lodging

All X 2 ( dont think ms50+ is letting me go without her) .....

Gonna be some suprising less full stadiums ( see ACC ccgame )
 
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  1. Straight seeding. No byes
  2. So you like 16 team cfps???? First 8 at home. ???? Re seeding after game 1?
  3. 12+1+4 games for NC n NC runner up....17 game season ....
  1. Yes.
  2. If this is inevitable, yes vs 14 with a 5+11 model and straight seeding. Just like basketball, if you will: #3 is playing #14. You'll have your 5 v 12 seeds to allow the mediots to slobknobber over something.
  3. I don't even know what to say here. 12 was fine. They went to 13 and all is good: same with 14 scenarios. But now, 17 is the line of demarcation. It's only 17 and this isn't a hair band song from the late 80's.
 
It's hard for me to say P4. If the 4/2 automatic qualifiers mix comes to pass, it will amplify and formalize the gap between SEC/B10 and B12/ACC. It's really P2, Second 2, and the rest.

I see you point.
  1. Yes.
  2. If this is inevitable, yes vs 14 with a 5+11 model and straight seeding. Just like basketball, if you will: #3 is playing #14. You'll have your 5 v 12 seeds to allow the mediots to slobknobber over something.
  3. I don't even know what to say here. 12 was fine. They went to 13 and all is good: same with 14 scenarios. But now, 17 is the line of demarcation. It's only 17 and this isn't a hair band song from the late 80's.
plus added addendum of logistics
 
I've seen something that said further SEC expansion is a given. Is there a single team that's not in the Big 12 or ACC that we'd entertain, other than Notre Dame? By taking a B12 or ACC team, we'd further marginalize those conferences. Not sure if the additional revenue they'll get under the settlement keeps FSU and Clemson (about $15 million each) keeps them the next four seasons as the exit fee declines another $15 million a year to an eventual $75 million. Essentially, every year they stay the net exit cost goes down $30 million a year (cost goes down 15, revenue is an extra 15).

Not that I get a say, but it would great if we added teams no farther away than our current most distant teams. FSU and Clemson are obvious choices. If SMU continues to improve as they dump money into NIL, they could be a dark horse. WV doesn't move the TV needle, VaTech appears on a journey to pre-Beamer relevance. Miami is just unappetizing to me. I don't think NC or NC State would leave the ACC.

Notre Dame would have to enter as an equal, just like Texas. It's a different world, but South Bend is a bit closer to Tuscaloosa than Austin or Norman. Boise would be a geographic nightmare, as would another other mountain or west coast program.

All of this assumes that the Big 10 and SEC have an agreement not to poach each other's teams. Hopefully something a little stronger than the gentlemen's agreement B10 had with PAC 2.
 
@50 that has nothing to do with the logistics of the playoffs, or participants. That's about you.

Its about fans. And cost of attendance.
I just used me as example.

Just saying ... there may be some cfp games where empty stadium seats will be dressed like fans. Kinda like most bowls.

But i guess. Tv money makes up for it.
But was adding an additional aspect of expanding. I was in favor n still like a 12 model. Preferred 8.
 
I'm going to mix future scheduling into this for a minute.

If they are going to 16 for the CFP, and go to nine for SEC play, here's who needs to be on the "chopping block."

Okie State, GT, AZ, BC, and VT.

As suspected the SEC and B1G are in bed together when it comes to scheduling and discussing the numbers mentioned above. So, the SEC would look at nine, then an additional game against a B1G team, with two OOC games remaining.

IF this is the format, why would we see a school from one of the other P2's on any schools schedule from the BiG or SEC? Does UofSC want to play 11 + 1?
 
I'm going to mix future scheduling into this for a minute.

If they are going to 16 for the CFP, and go to nine for SEC play, here's who needs to be on the "chopping block."

Okie State, GT, AZ, BC, and VT.

As suspected the SEC and B1G are in bed together when it comes to scheduling and discussing the numbers mentioned above. So, the SEC would look at nine, then an additional game against a B1G team, with two OOC games remaining.

IF this is the format, why would we see a school from one of the other P2's on any schools schedule from the BiG or SEC? Does UofSC want to play 11 + 1?
All should be playing 11+ 1.....Thats exactly what everyone should play. Period.
Watch out for the + 1 you get.
8-9 conference games. Doesnt matter.
 
I'm going to mix future scheduling into this for a minute.

If they are going to 16 for the CFP, and go to nine for SEC play, here's who needs to be on the "chopping block."

Okie State, GT, AZ, BC, and VT.

As suspected the SEC and B1G are in bed together when it comes to scheduling and discussing the numbers mentioned above. So, the SEC would look at nine, then an additional game against a B1G team, with two OOC games remaining.

IF this is the format, why would we see a school from one of the other P2's on any schools schedule from the BiG or SEC? Does UofSC want to play 11 + 1?
What about Notre Dame, WV, FSU and Boston College?

I hope they keep them all.
 
I've seen something that said further SEC expansion is a given. Is there a single team that's not in the Big 12 or ACC that we'd entertain, other than Notre Dame? By taking a B12 or ACC team, we'd further marginalize those conferences. Not sure if the additional revenue they'll get under the settlement keeps FSU and Clemson (about $15 million each) keeps them the next four seasons as the exit fee declines another $15 million a year to an eventual $75 million. Essentially, every year they stay the net exit cost goes down $30 million a year (cost goes down 15, revenue is an extra 15).

Not that I get a say, but it would great if we added teams no farther away than our current most distant teams. FSU and Clemson are obvious choices. If SMU continues to improve as they dump money into NIL, they could be a dark horse. WV doesn't move the TV needle, VaTech appears on a journey to pre-Beamer relevance. Miami is just unappetizing to me. I don't think NC or NC State would leave the ACC.

Notre Dame would have to enter as an equal, just like Texas. It's a different world, but South Bend is a bit closer to Tuscaloosa than Austin or Norman. Boise would be a geographic nightmare, as would another other mountain or west coast program.

All of this assumes that the Big 10 and SEC have an agreement not to poach each other's teams. Hopefully something a little stronger than the gentlemen's agreement B10 had with PAC 2.

Adding more teams of high quality jeapordizes the SEC’s dominance. The conference will beat up on one another. A loss is still a loss even if it’s to a team from a strong conference.

As for who to consider? FSU and Clemson are givens. Others include Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina and NC State. Going into North Carolina and Virginia expands the footprint and media markets.
 
Adding more teams of high quality jeapordizes the SEC’s dominance. The conference will beat up on one another. A loss is still a loss even if it’s to a team from a strong conference.

As for who to consider? FSU and Clemson are givens. Others include Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina and NC State. Going into North Carolina and Virginia expands the footprint and media markets.
I don't disagree, we'd probably get more teams in due to conference strength, but what would their readiness be against teams who coasted and are rested?
 
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