🏈 Time for Alabama to answer the statue question after all these national titles

BIRMINGHAM, Alabama - Mal Moore skirted it two months ago.

Nick Saban
danced around it last week.

The more Alabama coaches keep leaving town and returning to campus with national championship trophies, the more the subject won't go away.

It's been asked before, and it has to be asked again.

Isn't it time for Alabama to answer the statue question?

There's no time like the present because Alabama's long and storied past has never seen anything like this.

Until this year, Alabama had never seen a sport other than football and gymnastics win a national title. Women's golf and softball joined the fun in the very same year that football and gymnastics both did it again.

This debate isn't about hiring the right coaches that sign and develop the best athletes, turning them into a team good enough to be the best in the country.

It's about finding the appropriate way to recognize those coaches after they've achieved the ultimate team goal.

It's a pesky but healthy debate.

Think about it. Would you rather be arguing about whether to bronze your coach or fit him with cement overshoes?

For the record, there are now eight coaches in University of Alabama history that have won national championships. There are university-approved statues on campus of five of them.

Do the math, and it doesn't add up.

Bear Bryant
, who won six national titles in football, has a statue. Sarah Patterson, who's won six national titles in gymnastics and may not stop there, does not.

Gene Stallings
won a single national championship in football, and he has a statue. Mic Potter just delivered the school its first national championship in women's golf, and Pat Murphy did the same in softball.

Will they get statues?

Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer.

Why is this even a question?

Winning a national title isn't easy. Once you do, you deserve some kind of special recognition. When Alabama expanded the north end zone of Bryant-Denny Stadium and fashioned the impressive Walk of Champions, it found a special way to honor its football coaches that finished at the top.

It put them on pedestals, and a precedent was born.

At the time, only one other Alabama coach in one other sport had won it all so it was easy to avoid the question and ignore the imbalance.

Since Patterson has added more titles to tie Bryant's school record and Potter and Murphy have joined her in an exclusive but growing club, that imbalance gets easier to see and harder to explain.

Because Alabama's not just a football factory anymore.

Or is it?

What does it say about the university, about the principles and values of the organization, to borrow a phrase from Saban, when some championships seem more important to the school than others?

It's obvious that Alabama values football more than it does its other sports. It's just as obvious that Alabama is no different in that regard from Auburn or pretty much any other major college athletics department that's enjoyed success in a big way on the football field.

In a very real sense, the kind that produces cash in the bank, football is more valuable than any other sport at Alabama and beyond. But is a university supposed to be all about the golden rule? He who makes the gold gets the bronze?

Saban agreed last week that Alabama's national championship coaches in other sports deserve recognition, but he stopped short of supporting any specific type of recognition.

"I really think coaching is the best profession in the world because of the relationships that you make and the lives that you affect," he said. "That's your true legacy as a coach. The rest of it probably doesn't matter."

True, but easy for him to say. He has a statue.

After the gymnastics title in April, as the Statue for Sarah movement grew thanks to social media, Moore addressed the question of honoring Patterson.

"We have plans of how we're going to do this, so that's coming," Moore said. "Keep in touch."

What's coming? The AD hasn't filled in the blanks.

Until he does, the statue question won't go away.
 
Personally, I'd like to see something along these lines.

Considering the fact there are plans to do something with The Joe I'd start by razing that area and turning it into a "green space" area (for lack of a better term.)

Then, turn that area into a fan friendly outdoor park of sorts. It's directly across the street from the museum, in front of the Moore building and of course in front of Coleman.

Then, along with using the green space for some nice landscaping and if UA wants an area for tailgating, etc., erect a pavilion of sorts. Think of a nice, concrete structure that is covered but still fits into the outdoor theme.

Statues? I don't think they are a necessity, but we could use plaques a lot like the ones they use, say, in the baseball Hall of Fame.

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It would be easy to add other coaches, it wouldn't take up as much space as a statue, and it would hold all the other sports. A section for softball, golf, gymnastics, and hopefully other sports in the future.

It would be easy to add the rosters of other teams in the future considering we're talking about 20 or so names, max.

Considering the area is also covered, it seems it wouldn't be to difficult to have multi-media presentations in there as well.

And, you'll have to be honest with this, I can't think of a better location than across from Bryant Museum.

I'm only using the pic at the bottom as an example so you can get a general idea of what I'm seeing...
 
Then again, if you think about it, at some point in the future we're going to have to renovate or build another Bryant Museum. That building is almost a quarter of a century old now...opened when? 1988?

When Coach suggested it in 1981 it was something that would include all the football players who contributed to our tradition. Why not make it two wings and have one containing what we currently can tour and another for other sports?

Imagine walking into the foyer and having all the trophies displayed there?
 
I like your idea, but with a twist. Instead of only recognizing the coach, recognize the entire team that won the title. This would allow teams to have more than one plaque and would prevent the need to change to an existing plaque.
 
I like your idea, but with a twist. Instead of only recognizing the coach, recognize the entire team that won the title. This would allow teams to have more than one plaque and would prevent the need to change to an existing plaque.

I mentioned that Matt..."It would be easy to add the rosters of other teams in the future considering we're talking about 20 or so names, max."

So, we are on the same page. I see putting a plaque, or a bust, for the HC and then surrounding it you could put up names of each on every roster. The biggest one would end up being a baseball team. (dreams of the possibility as he types)

For some reason the last pic didn't show up...again, the general concept, not specific to this.

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The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of just another building housing the museum and a "Hall of Champions" type of wing.

Just use the existing museum for archives, etc.
 
I respect your view on this Terry, but to me giving championship winning coaches for all non-football sports a plaque or bust in a common area while championship winning football coaches get a larger than life-size statue in the "Walk of Champions" seems to smack of "your championship is worth less to us than these."

To me, its kind of like the "separate but equal" argument for segregation. It was wrong when talking about civil rights, I think its wrong with honoring champions too.
 
I like both ideas Terry. Some type of "honor wall" if you will in a park area or a "Champions wing" to the Bryant Museum. I don't think it would be a slap in the face to the coaches or teams either. Have a large plaque placed at the stadium of the sport as well to showcase their championship as well. The other sports realize that it is football that pays the way.
 
I respect your view on this Terry, but to me giving championship winning coaches for all non-football sports a plaque or bust in a common area while championship winning football coaches get a larger than life-size statue in the "Walk of Champions" seems to smack of "your championship is worth less to us than these."

To me, its kind of like the "separate but equal" argument for segregation. It was wrong when talking about civil rights, I think its wrong with honoring champions too.

I came across this a few minutes ago and thought about this thread along with what grad93 mentions in his last post.

The mental image, or analogy if you would prefer, that comes to mind is this; "Who is sitting at the head of the table?"

Other coaches say they feed off of Saban's success.

"I don't know about that," Saban said. "I think we've got some really good coaches in some really good programs who have some really good, talented players. They've done a nice job of developing them, and that's probably why they're having success."

The football coach is too modest, Patterson and softball coach Patrick Murphy suggest.

"If he doesn't win, I don't think any of us win at the level that we're at," Murphy said.
Football is supreme, Patterson adds.

"Because of the exposure, the financing, everything that it brings to the university, that's what's allowed us to build facilities and fund our programs at the highest level," she said.

Patterson has won six national championships in 34 seasons - three more than Saban, who won one at LSU before coming to

Alabama in 2007 - yet she leaves no doubt who sets the tone in the department.

"He has given a mentality to our department that nothing short of winning is acceptable," she said.

Then there's more applause for Moore.

"I one time had an athletic director that called me in and told me that I needed to relax and enjoy my championships, because we just couldn't keep up with the Joneses," Patterson said. "I responded to him, 'With all due respect, sir, we are the Joneses.' And that's how I feel. If our facilities are the best, that helps you attract the best athletes."

Moore said he appreciates the praise.

"But it took a lot of people to make this happen," he said.

He isn't forgetting the people who buy tickets and T-shirts and more.

"We've got great fans," Moore said. "They expect great things. I hope that never changes. When it doesn't matter to them, then you are in trouble."

A year ago, Murphy left Alabama. Three days after being introduced as LSU's coach, he realized he had made a mistake and returned to Alabama.

"When I knew Patrick was coming back, I called Anthony (Grant), and he said, 'I'm on my way to the airport,'" Patterson said. "There's a sense of family."

When the softball team made its triumphant return Thursday to Tuscaloosa, the crowd that greeted the champs included two brand new women's basketball assistant coaches.

It hasn't always been that way.

"Everybody did their own thing," Murphy said, contrasting the spirit when he came to Alabama 1996 as an assistant coach to the camaraderie now.

How tight are these coaches now? Grant called Murphy three times during the Women's College World Series.

"If it's a voicemail message, I'll play it over the loudspeaker on the bus," Murphy said. "Same thing with Saban's, too."

In the minutes after his team won its national championship, women's golf coach Mic Potter missed a call from Saban. Potter told Patterson that he was saving the voicemail.

"I said, 'You know what? I've got mine,'" Patterson said.

The culture has changed on the third floor of Coleman Coliseum, which Patterson now calls the "Hallway of Champions."

"Personally, I love having championship coaches around me," she said. "I want to be surrounded by people that want to do the same things that I want to do."

Saban does his part.

"I speak to them, I help try to recruit, I do whatever I can to support it," he said. "In turn, I get lessons in tennis and golf and everything us old folks try to do."

Murphy attests to Saban's recruiting help.

"He's 2 for 2 with softball recruits," Murphy said.

One is a prized signee from Texas whose father played in the NFL.

Saban's message?

"To play at the top level, to be a student-athlete, there's no place better than Alabama," Murphy said. "He invites them to sit down in his office. ... It's a neat thing to see, because he's very at ease. I'm nervous, but he makes everybody else very at-home, and I think the parents really enjoy it."

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I one time had an athletic director that called me in and told me that I needed to relax and enjoy my championships, because we just couldn't keep up with the Joneses," Patterson said. "I responded to him, 'With all due respect, sir, we are the Joneses.' And that's how I feel. If our facilities are the best, that helps you attract the best athletes."



Anybody want to bet money that the AD in question here was Brockrath?
 
[/I][/COLOR]Anybody want to bet money that the AD in question here was Brockrath?

As long as you're taking "all others" I'm game.

Bryant
Perkins
Sloan
Ingram
Bockrath
Moore.

Talk about bringing up old, bad feelings. Geez. As much has to be placed at "Bow Tie's" feet as Bockrath. If Sorenson would have listened to Stallings...
 
Sorenson bewildered me with how much he hated football (athletics in general really) with how much money it generated.
 
Sorenson bewildered me with how much he hated football (athletics in general really) with how much money it generated.

It wasn't so much he hated football, but he did believe the department was corrupt to the core and controlled by "the good ol' boy network." Portions of that belief were true. I also believe there were influences within the Athletic Department from people who had been there far, far too long.

What Sorenson wanted was complete and total control of the football program. Bockrath shared the same type of belief held by Sorenson and therefore...Bockrath was hired.

It was Stalling's belief we should have hired Moore before we hiring Bockrath. He met with Sorenson at one point and told him, based on what he had been told from people in Texas, that Bockrath wasn't a good choice. If you recall, Bockrath came from Texas Tech and left behind an Athletic Department that was in disarray and had the NCAA investigating. What Stallings saw was a power struggle about to come to play. And hence...DuBose to fRan...and on down the line.

(LMAO...the spell check was catching Bockrath...I clicked on the word to add it to the dictionary and the recommendation? Cockroach. I kid you not!!!!!! In fact, I ran to my desktop to see if it did the same thing...see the pic below...can't make this chit up.)

We're fortunate to have landed Dr. Witt.





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It wasn't so much he hated football, but he did believe the department was corrupt to the core and controlled by "the good ol' boy network." Portions of that belief were true. I also believe there were influences within the Athletic Department from people who had been there far, far too long.

What Sorenson wanted was complete and total control of the football program. Bockrath shared the same type of belief held by Sorenson and therefore...Bockrath was hired.

It was Stalling's belief we should have hired Moore before we hiring Bockrath. He met with Sorenson at one point and told him, based on what he had been told from people in Texas, that Bockrath wasn't a good choice. If you recall, Bockrath came from Texas Tech and left behind an Athletic Department that was in disarray and had the NCAA investigating. What Stallings saw was a power struggle about to come to play. And hence...DuBose to fRan...and on down the line.

(LMAO...the spell check was catching Bockrath...I clicked on the word to add it to the dictionary and the recommendation? Cockroach. I kid you not!!!!!! In fact, I ran to my desktop to see if it did the same thing...see the pic below...can't make this chit up.)

We're fortunate to have landed Dr. Witt.





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Sorenson just always gave me the impression he thought athletics were for a lower class of people/institution.

The cockroach thing kind of fits.
 
I always looked at Bockrath like he was a cockroach! I always thought it was kinda funny how Stallings ran him out of the lockerroom over at MSU!

I heard Coach Stallings talk about that one time. He said that since Bockrath was technically his boss, he really shouldn't have done that. He then said that he would do again given the same situation, but he probably shouldn't.
 
Sorenson just always gave me the impression he thought athletics were for a lower class of people/institution.

The cockroach thing kind of fits.

He certainly didn't get what being a fan was all about.

I'll always remember him coming to one of our Grand Slammers annual BBQ's on a Sat. afternoon. It was at least 90, sunny, great afternoon for baseball.

Coach Moore was there that day in golf slacks and a Polo. Sorenson, tweed pants, cotton button down and that freakin' bow tie.AT

A BASEBALL GAME!!
 
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