🏈 That "Damned good quarterback"

[Tidestalker]

I really can't agree with that either. I didn't see the coaching staff missing kicks or their blocks.

Now, if you want to go down that road about the half, and the kick from Auburn, go right ahead. Your fight falls with Rule 3-5-2-e (A.R. 9-2-2-I-V).

All that can be argued...

I'll point to the mismanagement of TO's that lead to that disaster (not prepared with a play call on 4th down), the catastrophic horizontal pass play call on the goal line that lead to a pick 6, the prevent D before halftime that led to the 1 second FG kick (momentum swinger, just like last night), the continuous confusion on snap counts that kept leading to false starts.... To name a few.

 

[TerryP]

All that can be argued...

I'll point to the mismanagement of TO's that lead to that disaster (not prepared with a play call on 4th down), the catastrophic horizontal pass play call on the goal line that lead to a pick 6, the prevent D before halftime that led to the 1 second FG kick (momentum swinger, just like last night), the continuous confusion on snap counts that kept leading to false starts.... To name a few.

And you've just repeated what I said earlier. A missed block is not on the staff (pick 6,) and the confusion on snaps isn't on the staff either. That's execution.

Look. I am not a fan of bashing players like we see so often but my god, a missed call or block is just that, a miss.

The rule can't be argued. It's clear as it was, more clear now.

As to TO's? Everyone has been bitching about that and Saban since 2007.

 

[Tidestalker]

And you've just repeated what I said earlier. A missed block is not on the staff (pick 6,) and the confusion on snaps isn't on the staff either. That's execution.

Look. I am not a fan of bashing players like we see so often but my god, a missed call or block is just that, a miss.

The rule can't be argued. It's clear as it was, more clear now.

As to TO's? Everyone has been bitching about that and Saban since 2007.

While we can agree to disagree on a few things, you don't acknowledge that specific TO issue.

Burning the TO in that situation because you either hesitated, didn't have a play call, or didn't communicate properly is bad game management. And ultimately directly lead to the inability to keep 12 off the field.

 

[BetyoursoulBamaisbetterthanyou]

I wonder what on earth he was thinking on the last play or their game. He had to throw ro the end zone, as it was the end of the game, but he must earn around, ran around, spun, and then dove to the turf. Was that poor awareness or were his receivers all covered to the point he couldnt do anything else?

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

I wonder what on earth he was thinking on the last play or their game. He had to throw ro the end zone, as it was the end of the game, but he must earn around, ran around, spun, and then dove to the turf. Was that poor awareness or were his receivers all covered to the point he couldnt do anything else?

That's 2 games in a row that's he's gone SNAFU on his last play. The refs/replay official bailed him out the week before, but no such luck yesterday. I don't know how well covered his guys were, but he runs when he panics. Often times works out ok for him, but in that situation, he had no chance.

Also, welcome to RollTideBama!

 

[rick4bama]

He playing in his backyard!

 

[50+yeartidefan]

I'm curious, who do you think is a bad QB if Bo is a good QB?

The idea it's the "developer" is lost on me. He's had a QB coach his entire life. Throwing off your back foot, unbalanced, across your body, etc...we've seen all of that, this season. Poor decision making is another staple of his game.

I'll readily agree the Auburn offensive scheme right now is FUBAR. But still, scheme and execution are two different things (as many well know.)

You heaping great praise on ole ms QB last week...6 ints from Arkansas this week...

but ....last week he was great...

just saying nix is talented... freshman of year in sec says something...even if you dont like it

 

[50+yeartidefan]

When it comes to the Barn or any team for that matter if Bama plays a clean game (no turnovers and few penalties) they win. They did not do that in the Barn game last year and THAT is why they allowed and average at best team beat them. Same formula wins that has always won.

Most teams that play such...do win...or the team that makes the least wins

 

[mando]

Most teams that play such...do win...or the team that makes the least wins

Agree but I think if we played Vandy for example or some group of 5 team and they did not turn the ball over and minimized penalties it would not change the outcome of the game. Maybe only the score. In that case our Jimmies and Joes are just that much better than theirs.

 

[XXL TideFan]

And you've just repeated what I said earlier. A missed block is not on the staff (pick 6,) and the confusion on snaps isn't on the staff either. That's execution.

Look. I am not a fan of bashing players like we see so often but my god, a missed call or block is just that, a miss.

The rule can't be argued. It's clear as it was, more clear now.

As to TO's? Everyone has been bitching about that and Saban since 2007.

A lot of people seem to forget that players are graded after every game. I can only assume that it is aggregated and is part of the NFL scouting routine.

 

[Tidestalker]

That's 2 games in a row that's he's gone SNAFU on his last play. The refs/replay official bailed him out the week before, but no such luck yesterday. I don't know how well covered his guys were, but he runs when he panics. Often times works out ok for him, but in that situation, he had no chance.

Also, welcome to RollTideBama!

Was there ever any "official" explanation as to how the backwards spike against Arknasas wasn't a fumble??

I don't know how that Coach didn't lose his shit... An impressive display of composure on his part.

 

[Secondand26]

Was there ever any "official" explanation as to how the backwards spike against Arknasas wasn't a fumble??

I don't know how that Coach didn't lose his shit... An impressive display of composure on his part.

According to the Conference office, there was an early whistle & Arkansas didn’t have an immediate recovery (which was BS) SOS that happens at Juurrren Hair all of the time!

 

[Tidestalker]

According to the Conference office, there was an early whistle & Arkansas didn’t have an immediate recovery (which was BS) SOS that happens at Juurrren Hair all of the time!

Def par for the course on their home "luck"... And that "Inadvertent whistle" explanation is a good catch-all cover up for bullshit calls

 

[TerryP]

you don't acknowledge that specific TO issue.

Everyone has been bitching about that and Saban since 2007.

I find it a waste of time to get into discussions about how Saban uses timeouts; whether it was in 2007 or in 2019. It's always been something fans question, some bitch about, but how he manages a game and the subsequent time outs is a part of who he is as a head coach. It's how he manages his games.

We discuss players and their performances and can point to areas where they aren't ready, aren't in the right position, or are making mistakes that can be corrected with coaching.

Time outs and Saban fall outside of that type of discussion. He's not changing and how he manages the use of his time-outs seems like a waste of breath. At least it is to me.

Pardon the analogy but I view it a lot like POTUS and his activity on social media. It is who he is. We know it's the case and we can sit here and talk about it until we're blue in the face. What good has it done? None. Is it going to change? After 10+ years it's a safe assumption to conclude, "no."

You heaping great praise on ole ms QB last week...6 ints from Arkansas this week...

but ....last week he was great...

just saying nix is talented... freshman of year in sec says something...even if you dont like it

This is what you get when you don't follow game threads. It's not like I expect people to keep up with what all the members post. But, in this case...

A lot of people seem to forget that players are graded after every game.

...and the same goes with coaching.

Everything we've said about Kiffin was on full display this past Saturday. When he's focused he does a hell of a job. When he's not, we see questionable results; often bad.

The game plan they had going into Arkansas wasn't anywhere close to the plan they had against Bama. They didn't utilize tempo very often at all. When they did, like late in the game in their last drive, they did well. When they didn't? FUBAR. There was little motion, if any, during the game. It was, literally, one of the most vanilla games I've seen Lane call since his days back at USC.

It can be argued he shot his wad against Bama. I don't believe that's the case. He certainly had a case of blue balls going into the game against the Tide: that was the piece he wanted this season. As some have described, "his Super Bowl."

I have a hard time believing this to be the case even though it looks like Kiffin and his staff didn't watch any game film leading up to Arkansas. It's been discussed, pre-Ole Miss game, how much Odom had been using a zone defense. It looked like the Ole Miss staff hadn't seen a zone before Saturday. Kiffin didn't throw those INT's. He certainly didn't have his offense prepared to attack the zone.

 

[TerryP]

Oh, and Bo and his dad...hayseeds.

And, nothing here says "good QB." He's worse than last season.

2020:

 

[50+yeartidefan]

I find it a waste of time to get into discussions about how Saban uses timeouts; whether it was in 2007 or in 2019. It's always been something fans question, some bitch about, but how he manages a game and the subsequent time outs is a part of who he is as a head coach. It's how he manages his games.

We discuss players and their performances and can point to areas where they aren't ready, aren't in the right position, or are making mistakes that can be corrected with coaching.

Time outs and Saban fall outside of that type of discussion. He's not changing and how he manages the use of his time-outs seems like a waste of breath. At least it is to me.

Pardon the analogy but I view it a lot like POTUS and his activity on social media. It is who he is. We know it's the case and we can sit here and talk about it until we're blue in the face. What good has it done? None. Is it going to change? After 10+ years it's a safe assumption to conclude, "no."


This is what you get when you don't follow game threads. It's not like I expect people to keep up with what all the members post. But, in this case...

...and the same goes with coaching.

Everything we've said about Kiffin was on full display this past Saturday. When he's focused he does a hell of a job. When he's not, we see questionable results; often bad.

The game plan they had going into Arkansas wasn't anywhere close to the plan they had against Bama. They didn't utilize tempo very often at all. When they did, like late in the game in their last drive, they did well. When they didn't? FUBAR. There was little motion, if any, during the game. It was, literally, one of the most vanilla games I've seen Lane call since his days back at USC.

It can be argued he shot his wad against Bama. I don't believe that's the case. He certainly had a case of blue balls going into the game against the Tide: that was the piece he wanted this season. As some have described, "his Super Bowl."

I have a hard time believing this to be the case even though it looks like Kiffin and his staff didn't watch any game film leading up to Arkansas. It's been discussed, pre-Ole Miss game, how much Odom had been using a zone defense. It looked like the Ole Miss staff hadn't seen a zone before Saturday. Kiffin didn't throw those INT's. He certainly didn't have his offense prepared to attack the zone.

Ole ms shut out first half...period
Howw was it focu from Kiffin when QB throws 6 ints.....
Its what ole ms is....

Everybody it seems saves best for bama...nothing new

lets hope.....he is "all in" to beat AUthis weekend....

no...dont follow gamethreads....fuss at ms50+ for playing on her phone during games,,, if you wanna watch..ur welcome...if u dont then there are 3 other tvs in house

Re: AU QB....and yes Mr Stat ( thats a lol )....his stats are worse... All SEC games...no gimmies ( cept Vandy) ....this year.... ...

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Agree but I think if we played Vandy for example or some group of 5 team and they did not turn the ball over and minimized penalties it would not change the outcome of the game. Maybe only the score. In that case our Jimmies and Joes are just that much better than theirs.

True...but see Michigan vs App State...bama vs monroe....
Much better "jimmy n joes" but turnovers killed Michigan n bama...in those games...

 

[50+yeartidefan]

I wonder what on earth he was thinking on the last play or their game. He had to throw ro the end zone, as it was the end of the game, but he must earn around, ran around, spun, and then dove to the turf. Was that poor awareness or were his receivers all covered to the point he couldnt do anything else?

Welcome.... have fun...this is nice family to argue within...

 

[Tidestalker]

I find it a waste of time to get into discussions about how Saban uses timeouts; whether it was in 2007 or in 2019. It's always been something fans question, some bitch about, but how he manages a game and the subsequent time outs is a part of who he is as a head coach. It's how he manages his games.

We discuss players and their performances and can point to areas where they aren't ready, aren't in the right position, or are making mistakes that can be corrected with coaching.

Time outs and Saban fall outside of that type of discussion. He's not changing and how he manages the use of his time-outs seems like a waste of breath. At least it is to me.

Pardon the analogy but I view it a lot like POTUS and his activity on social media. It is who he is. We know it's the case and we can sit here and talk about it until we're blue in the face. What good has it done? None. Is it going to change? After 10+ years it's a safe assumption to conclude, "no."

I can respect that... While what you say is true, that particular flub in this specific game we're discussing is important to note. it directly impacted the game and was easily avoidable by simply anticipating a normal football situation.

I'm never going to say anything but Saban is the best Coach of all time. But he's not immune to game management issues, and it's not blasphemy to point it out while we're talking football. To follow up on your political reference - The biggest part of the countries divide is each side's inability to simply acknowledge obvious truths because it doesn't jive with their "ideology". No one is selling out to accept an obvious fact... that's just being objective and open minded.

 

[TerryP]

Howw was it focu from Kiffin when QB throws 6 ints.....
Its what ole ms is....

Because the offense runs how Kiffin runs. Why do you think Saban "encouraged" him to move on when he was in Tuscaloosa? Just as I said earlier, "A focused Kiffin vs an unfocused Kiffin."

And again, this is no different than Alabama. I don't blame a coach for a player missing an assignment. I do blame a coach if he doesn't put his players in the position to succeed.

You've quoted what went wrong with Ole Miss when they played Arkansas. That's all on the coaching staff in Oxford. How else do you explain their decision to scrap tempo (until it was too late,) scrap the motion they used against Bama, and attack the Arkansas defense as if they were in man?

I suspect the explanation will be the same as the question "what's a bad QB is Nix is good?" Crickets.

I'd bet his focus is tuned this weekend. If anything, the guy does seem to learn: some things at least.