šŸˆ Targeting rule good for football, SEC's coordinator of officials says

Fans are gnashing their teeth over the rule, but the targeting penalty is necessary because football itself is a target, Steve Shaw, the coordinator of football officials for the SEC, told the Gulf Coast Athletic Club on Monday night."Our game is absolutely under attack, there's no question about that," Shaw said. "Even the president of the United States said, 'If I had a son, I'm not sure I'd let him play football.' We may pass that off, but those are impactful words. There're a lot of people out there with lawsuits. The NFL has just settled a lawsuit, but it's not over. That's just the first stage.

"From my perspective, I believe targeting - where you target a defenseless player above the shoulders, is what the rule says, or you use the crown or top of your helmet to deliver a blow -- those are dangerous acts. You get concussions and, when you use the crown or top of your helmet, that's when you get catastrophic injuries.

"I'm just going to tell you our game is under attack, and I believe that coaches, players and officials have to make a change in our game or we're going to have people changing our game that we don't want changing our game. We have got to make some changes with our game or people are going to change it for us."

Shaw called targeting "the most significant rule change" to come into football during his more than two decades in collegiate officiating. But the rule is accomplishing its objective, he said, and with one change could be made more palatable for everyone involved.

A player flagged for targeting also earns an automatic ejection this season, but that ejection can be overturned if the instant-replay official determines that the call was erroneous. However, the 15-yard penalty for targeting cannot be overturned, even though, by allowing the player to stay on the field, the replay is confirming that the penalty was wrongly accessed.

An example occurred Saturday in Vanderbilt's 31-27 upset of Georgia. A hit by Georgia's Ramik Wilson on Jonathan Krause caused an incompletion on a fourth-and-4 pass from the Bulldogs 30-yard line. Georgia led 27-14 at the time. Wilson was called for targeting, but he was allowed to stay in the game when replay showed he'd delivered his hit with his right shoulder, not his helmet. However, Vanderbilt still advanced the ball 15 yards on the penalty with a new set of downs on its way to a touchdown - part of its 17 points in the final 4:41 of the game.

Shaw said this was the "biggest complaint we've had" about the targeting rule.

"I hope we can get the rules committee to look very, very closely at this," Shaw said. "Now, if you're guilty of a targeting foul but instant replay overturns it, the 15-yard penalty stands. I think we need to look at that and consider removing that as well.

"The reason it didn't get removed is because the rules committee does not want the game to be officiated from the replay booth. We've been careful not to cross over the line. What I mean by that is factual information - Did he step on the line? Was the ball bobbled? Was it fumbled? Did he break the plane of goal line? - those are the types of factual things we put in replay's hands. But we've never said: Was that holding or not? Was that pass interference or not? We don't want to make that judgment. That's that bright line we don't want to cross.

"I think the rules committee thought if they overturned the targeting, they might have to make a decision on that bright line. The example would be: What if you had a roughing the passer and targeting? Let's say you review it, and it's not targeting, but it still might be roughing the passer, and then they'd have to get into that.

"I think there's a way we can solve that for next year, but that's the reason we didn't go there. I think if we do that, there'll be a much better level of acceptance. The game is never going to be perfectly safe, but this is going to go a long way."

Shaw said the rule was not intended to change the game.

"My hope would be that we change player behavior, but we don't change our great game," Shaw said. "The (Jadaveon) Clowney hit in the bowl game last year -- everybody's seen that from the South Carolina-Michigan game. That's not a foul, and that's as hard a lick as you can deliver in a football game, I believe. This rule is not designed to take the physical part out of football. What it's designed to do is take those high head hits out of the game.

"Last year, it was controversial to the fans, but there was a defensive back, a freshman, Trae Elston at Ole Miss, who got suspended by the commissioner after a play in a game where he came in and hit a receiver right in the head. Used the crown of his helmet. It had everything about targeting. His reaction in the game: He was hopping up and down, chest-bumping. The UTEP player is laying down in the end zone, had a concussion, out of the game. And he was going around high-fiving and chest-bumping because he thought he had just delivered the 'SportsCenter' hit of the night.

"He got flagged two weeks ago -- again another high hit on a receiver -- and his immediate reaction was, 'Oh, no.' That's the difference. That's what we've got to get -- from the celebratory part of this to 'I've got to stay off their heads.'"

Shaw said the targeting rule is not removing a fundamental part of the game but was more like a course correction.

"If you go back -- and they have them on all through the summer -- and you watch SEC football games from the late '80s or early '90s and before that, this targeting, this missile impact where a guy leads with his head, it wasn't in the game," Shaw said. "So we're not ruining the game of a hundred years ago. That play was never in the game. That is a recent phenomenon, and that's the play we've got to get out."

Shaw said concerns about the targeting rule had opened a wider dialogue between players, coaches and officials.

"We've never had more conversations with coaches and players about proper technique," Shaw said. "I go to every school in the summer, and I talk to the players, and they ask, 'What am I supposed to do?' And we give them three pieces of advice. No. 1, keep your head up. See what you hit. Lower your target is No. 2. And then No. 3 is wrap your arms up. I even had a player say, 'If you wrap up, you just can't hit them as hard.' I said, 'Go back and watch the Clowney play from the bowl game.' That was perfect."
 
Like the padded body equipment itself, the helmets are the problem when it comes to injuries. Even the shoulder and chest padding has been proven to increase the range of an impact from a direct hit as these pieces of under padding act as conductors of sort, spreading the force of the tackle or hit to greater areas on the body like ripples in a pool. Less padding or no padding keeps a hit more localized.

In any case, why not go back to leather helmets in the days of old? Or how about no helmets? Perhaps if players realized that all that stood between there head and the head of a another player was their hairlines or a thick piece of padded leather like a catcher' mitt, they might think twice before turning into a raging billy goat and having a go at one and other. And while concussions exist in rugby, there are fewer than in football. And who in pro MMA, boxing, etc, who wears a helmet or any head gear? And they routinely take dozens and dozens of blows from foot and fist from guys trained to inflict pain through force. I dunno. Read and seen studies on these issues and while a sure fire one-answer conclusion eludes the sport, one thing is clear: the helmet, no matter how it's designed and padded, is the problem.
 
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I disagree SMF.

There's one paragraph in this I thought was worth of note/the reason I moved this from the news forum here to discuss.

"If you go back -- and they have them on all through the summer -- and you watch SEC football games from the late '80s or early '90s and before that, this targeting, this missile impact where a guy leads with his head, it wasn't in the game," Shaw said. "So we're not ruining the game of a hundred years ago. That play was never in the game. That is a recent phenomenon, and that's the play we've got to get out."

He's got a point about the 80's and early 90's but fails to address the reason why—he's talking about removing a symptom and not the cause.

Several months ago uagrad and I (along with a few others) were discussing how tackling is taught at the youth levels of play. They are not being taught the fundamentals of what pure tackling is and what techniques should be practiced. A lot of that is due to every Tom, Dick, and Harry that is a fan of football believing they know how to coach football.

They're being taught wrong. That builds upon itself as they progress through middle school, high school...and then we see the results in collegiate football.

In a sense it's no different than seeing a lot of players try to arm tackle instead of wrapping up—poor technique and fundamentals.

I hate the idea of another governing body in any area but if there is one instance where I could be easily persuaded it's a movement to make sure coaches, down to the pee-wee level, are qualified to teach.

Now, that said, one thing Shaw didn't address is we don't know if there were as many head injuries—undiagnosed—in the time frame he references. We do know that the form of tackling we see today wasn't seen often back then.
 
Shaw was spot on and Terry is too. You keep your head up, "see what you hit and hit what you see!" I started coaching my son's youth team this year and more or less had to assume control. The HC had no clue! Good, clean, hard tackles can still be made with the proper technique. I don't know about this year, but the last several years at The Barn, they were the WORST tackling team I have ever seen. Head down, launching themselves like rockets, and not bringing their arms to wrap up. I always have taught to use the facemask as the sight like a rifle to see your target and then slide the head to the side and lead with the shoulder, bringing your arms up like a dump truck and locking them up. I teach this today to 10-12 year olds. When I coached jr High ball, I wanted the guys to learn the proper techniques so the HS coaches didn't have to spend time on the fundamentals. When I moved up, I wanted my kids to already know so I could spend more time on game prep.
 
Shaw was spot on and Terry is too. You keep your head up, "see what you hit and hit what you see!" I started coaching my son's youth team this year and more or less had to assume control. The HC had no clue! Good, clean, hard tackles can still be made with the proper technique. I don't know about this year, but the last several years at The Barn, they were the WORST tackling team I have ever seen. Head down, launching themselves like rockets, and not bringing their arms to wrap up. I always have taught to use the facemask as the sight like a rifle to see your target and then slide the head to the side and lead with the shoulder, bringing your arms up like a dump truck and locking them up. I teach this today to 10-12 year olds. When I coached jr High ball, I wanted the guys to learn the proper techniques so the HS coaches didn't have to spend time on the fundamentals. When I moved up, I wanted my kids to already know so I could spend more time on game prep.

IF I wanted to argue a point here it would be on the side of Texas being worse than Auburn...
 
I disagree SMF.

There's one paragraph in this I thought was worth of note/the reason I moved this from the news forum here to discuss.



He's got a point about the 80's and early 90's but fails to address the reason why—he's talking about removing a symptom and not the cause.

Several months ago uagrad and I (along with a few others) were discussing how tackling is taught at the youth levels of play. They are not being taught the fundamentals of what pure tackling is and what techniques should be practiced. A lot of that is due to every Tom, Dick, and Harry that is a fan of football believing they know how to coach football.

They're being taught wrong. That builds upon itself as they progress through middle school, high school...and then we see the results in collegiate football.

In a sense it's no different than seeing a lot of players try to arm tackle instead of wrapping up—poor technique and fundamentals.

I hate the idea of another governing body in any area but if there is one instance where I could be easily persuaded it's a movement to make sure coaches, down to the pee-wee level, are qualified to teach.

Now, that said, one thing Shaw didn't address is we don't know if there were as many head injuries—undiagnosed—in the time frame he references. We do know that the form of tackling we see today wasn't seen often back then.

Definitely agree with you; not a shred of question. Alas, the problem remains the helmet itself in most cases. And it's an issue that footballers in general have been tackling :lance: with since the early 20th century. While the plastic padded helmet of today and past decades indeed protects the head from blunt force trauma injury and cauliflower ears as seen in the early part of the 20th century when leather helmets were used, the very design of the new padded helmet, while protecting players completely from blunt force trauma to the skull and outer tissue is, by its design a perfect conductor to intensify impact to the inner part of the head where concussions occur. It's a wicked traded off: inner or outer head injury. Take your pick.
 
In any case, why not go back to leather helmets in the days of old? Or how about no helmets? Perhaps if players realized that all that stood between there head and the head of a another player was their hairlines or a thick piece of padded leather like a catcher' mitt, they might think twice before turning into a raging billy goat and having a go at one and other. And while concussions exist in rugby, there are fewer than in football. And who in pro MMA, boxing, etc, who wears a helmet or any head gear? And they routinely take dozens and dozens of blows from foot and fist from guys trained to inflict pain through force. I dunno. Read and seen studies on these issues and while a sure fire one-answer conclusion eludes the sport, one thing is clear: the helmet, no matter how it's designed and padded, is the problem.

This argument is so stupid. I don't get how people even entertain it. People died playing football all the time back in those days. The helmets wouldn't have developed if there wasn't a need for them.
 
Don't assume that concussions don't exist in rugby...bad idea.

They are trying to make helmets absorb more of the energy. Right now, having hard plastic which means they respond quickly and absorb less of the energy, if they could make the helmets softer, it could absorb more energy. Look at the NASCAR wall changes, barrels on the side of freeways, etc. Its all about absorbing the impact slower...
 
Not to mention the players are bigger, stronger, faster now. The suggestion of leather helmets or not helmets, tho is one I've heard before, is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
 
I mean, when that suggestion is ridiculous...

I suggest working on better helmets, as they are doing. They've been evolving from their inception, and will continue to do so.

Well Russ, maybe ridiculous in your and others opinions but I just take exception to the "dumbest" remark because SMF was just throwing his .02 in there. It's not like he said that one should cover their head with slinkys, water balloons, road side barrels, NASCAR safer barriers or mid-evil Knight gear.
 
It's an opinion backed with zero logic though. In the 1905 season alone, 18 people died while playing. When you consider that there were far fewer teams and people playing then, that's impressive. It was so bad they almost banned the game from being played. The worst thing we've had happen on the field in years was the Rutgers player being paralyzed. Reducing protection isn't even remotely an answer. Yes, he's entitled to his .02, but when he does, Birdman, myself, and others can give that .02 the change it deserves.
 
Easy to criticize a suggestion by someone but harder to come up with a solution. What do you suggest?

Yes it is VERY easy to criticize a dumb suggestion... I'm sorry but no matter what you or anyone else says, suggesting that the helmets should be gone is just dumb. I have no other way I can put it.

As far as what I suggest? It all starts with the teaching. You teach a player to keep his head up, hit only what you see, and aim for the chest. Thats obvious but coaches have to do a better job at preaching it and it starts at the high school level but college coaches cant just throw their hands up and say "well he already learned the bad habits." You have to fix it. Are players going to still get hit in the head at times? Yes, that is a given, its a contact sport.

And the deal with the targeting rule, I dont even necessarily have a problem with the intention. The main intention was supposed to be to get players to stop launching themselves at a defenseless receiver. But its gotten to the point now where a DB cant hit a receiver at all to try and dislodge the ball because they're considered "defenseless" and there have been times when guys hit a player dead in the chest and they call it targeting. They have to fix that and also the review. If you can overrule the ejection, you should be able to overrule the penalty period.
 
It's an opinion backed with zero logic though. In the 1905 season alone, 18 people died while playing. When you consider that there were far fewer teams and people playing then, that's impressive. It was so bad they almost banned the game from being played. The worst thing we've had happen on the field in years was the Rutgers player being paralyzed. Reducing protection isn't even remotely an answer. Yes, he's entitled to his .02, but when he does, Birdman, myself, and others can give that .02 the change it deserves.

Just keep being the asshole you want to be then guys. He's a fellow Alabama fan and I don't believe you should be calling other ideas "dumb" even if you think so. So if I feel entitled to call you an asshole, that's what I'll do I guess. SMFH!
 
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Go right ahead and call me an asshole bro. I dont really care about that, just like I wouldnt care if you called me dumb or an idea I had dumb. Whether or not someone is an Alabama fan has nothing to do with this. I'm not trying to down the guy and I wasn't trying to be an asshole. So I'm sorry it came off that way and maybe saying it was stupid was harsh but its just the way I felt about it. I was probably throwing him under the bus because I've heard other talking heads, ones that I find very dumb, make that suggestion before.
 
His fandom is irrelevant. He isn't owed anything just for being a bama fan. If he wants to confront a problem with what can only be considered, at best, a flip answer by saying no helmets would be safer because that's how they did it "in the good ole days when men were men and you didn't have these problems" even when that's clearly not the case, he should be able to handle the response. And regarding calling me an asshole, knock yourself out. I accept the ramifications of my post. To be fair though, I never said he was stupid, I said that argument was as it completely ignores the fact that people died at an alarming rate when helmets didn't exist.
 
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