š Statement from DeBoer and Byrne on job rumorsā¦
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24and7
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Gas Malzahn, Mullen and Fisher..
CKD has only served two seasons so far .. he has an eight year contract. There's no need to give him any kind of extension yet.. especially before Oklahoma... We'll have to see how that goes...
Now Alabama could give him some better things like more NIL to bring in better players.. and way more money to pay assistant coaches...CKD does not need anything more RIGHT NOW.. if so, he can go out and sell more hamburgers at Jack's..
Are there still questions around DeBoer as to whether or not he's a good fit? I haven't seen any legitimate examples lately.
I'll say this regarding "fit" though. A good fit ā long term successful head coach. History (both recent and not) provides us with a long list of coaches who were good or great fits for a particular job, but either blew up on the launch pad or never made it far off of it. Fit is important in most cases (IMO), but its not some magical prerequisite for success. That said, again, I don't see or hear any valid reasons of why DeBoer isn't a good fit.
He's not getting one before the Oklahoma game.
I accidently deleted my post. I'm glad you quoted it first.
None of those guys are rich because of an extension. They are rich because of the original contract. It was symbolism over substance.
Jimbo got a raise with his extension. The buyout clauses were in the original contract. Mullen got a raise; no changes in the buyout clauses with his contract.
Gus is a great example of "#Sextonseason." The threat of Arkansas led their booster to cough up more money. It's the same situation here. A raise, and extension, on a contract that would pay him a lot if he was fired.
FWIW, if Bama were in the same situation today as LSU and fired DeBoer without cause, he'd be owned an amount in the 60 million dollar range. It's bigger than Kelly's. And, it's based not upon an extension but the original contract.
This is an example of the reasons we all like links here. Details matter in judgments.
There are plenty of reasons to believe he will. There isn't anything happening right now that we didn't talk about in detail; both the good and the bad. I've yet to see a reason he will not.
All a Bama fan can ask for is a team that competes for SEC titles which in turn means they are competing for national titles. At least, that's all I've ever "asked."
What I find interesting, as a bit of a side story, to all of this angst...
Let's look back at the programs that have made the playoffs since its inception and how many of those programs have returned after a coaching change.
Florida State made it in the first year and haven't returned. Michigan State and LSU are also in this mix.
But, we have three outliers as well.
OU was in under Riley, back under Venables.
Notre Dame was in under Kelly. They were back last year under Freeman in his third season at the helm.
And now Bama is back under DeBoer in his second season.
Logic? Where was the beat missed thus far?
This conversation is bordering on an exercise in futility because the game itself, the conference as a whole and its competitiveness, the landscape of the entire world of collegiate football ... none of it is the same now as it was in 2007 and 2008.
Repeatedly it's been pointed out the program would be in a huge transition last year. It was pointed out that transition was still continuing (as perfectly evidenced by the lack of fit with players on the offensive line, for one example.)
And where are we as fans?
We just saw Bama back in the SECCG in year two. So, that's a check mark.
We are seeing Bama back in the playoffs and competiting for another national title. So, there's another check mark.
19-7 versus 19-8 for the first two years compared to each other.
I find it somewhat relatable to think of Saban talking to players after his last season and seeing so many interested in how they can improve their bank balance versus how they can improve on the field. I can see and understand, "this isn't what I signed up for." He was burnt out on what today is versus yesterday was.
I'm right there with him.
The bonfire I carried for college football my entire life is now a small campfire. The next camping site over is Alabama football. Just like being a fan of professional sports teams in the past, in the end there wasn't a lot lost in becoming a "casual."
AirForceBamaFan
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In their first 2 years:
CNS: 19-8
CKD: 19-7
Edit: Sorry Terryā¦I didnāt see you pointed that out firstā¦
The most interesting counter-point falls within "he had to change the culture and get the 'Shulaitis' out of the building." This is true. There was a huge transition in how the department was ran as a whole.
NIL. Revenue sharing. The transfer portal.
The entire culture of the Alabama football program is in a huge transition. Not just the team itself, the entire building. But here it isn't about removing something. It's about adaptation from year to year.
And this is where the program is today.
AirForceBamaFan
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I agreeā¦Iāve been frustrated with play-calling and some players looking seemingly unprepared (o-line specifically for me), but I like where they are headed. I think CKD will be a different coach as more players come in that fit his system. Also, with some coaching changes in the off-season.
Here are my questions: the oline coach developed an award winning line at Washington. Has he changed as a coach? Is the SEC competition above his ability? Was our oline quality so depleted that he didnāt have a lot to work with?
BamaFan334
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I'll be honest, I do not understand an extension right now. I also admit to not paying attention one bit to how his contract was written. This is where I think college football has to hit the breaks. Giving extensions, more money, larger buyouts because other jobs come open and potentially entice coaches to leave is a major issue and allows universities to play with fake money it seems. I would expect Alabama to be the ones to put their foot down, because none of our recent AD's felt they had to move for anyone and kept a higher standard it felt than program's like Florida, Michigan, Texas, Ohio State etc. Maybe I'm thinking of something totally different here with my comments.
I will add that I'm fine DeBoer said something about wanting to stay at Alabama, but I am also puzzled as to why he felt he needed to. I would have just kept quiet and never give anyone the inclination I even thought about it, or hell, stayed quiet and watch the internet do it's thing and spiral. Byrne could have addressed the Alabama boosters, alumni, and fans and that been it.
I will add that I'm fine DeBoer said something about wanting to stay at Alabama, but I am also puzzled as to why he felt he needed to. I would have just kept quiet and never give anyone the inclination I even thought about it, or hell, stayed quiet and watch the internet do it's thing and spiral. Byrne could have addressed the Alabama boosters, alumni, and fans and that been it.
Parker knows the system and plays at a high level when it comes to conference play. But, he's still not the ideal guy you want at center because he has his limitations: reach/ length being one. I hate using the word, can't think of a better one. He's a 'tweener.' I see guys who look the part of your SEC OL, but lack the footwork to fit the role of your CKD guy. We've talked about the transition to having more athletic/quicker guys on the OL since day one.
They are easier to come by than defensive tackles. But they are still few and far between that can come in and fit his type of guy. Michael Carroll is one of those.
On that note.
The one transition area I think "fit" were the corners. The team/recruiting has been trending towards taller and longer corners for a few years now. We don't see 5' 9" Javy Arenas any longer.
In the other position groups ... those recruiting "types" have changed as well.
In my opinion the one that takes the longest is the offensive line. In a stable coaching staff they take the longest to develop. Now, add a schematic change along with the coaching change?
All that being said, if you look deeper into the running numbers at Washington, even with a 1000 yard guy, they weren't eye-popping.
The only difference in an extension and a vote of confidence in a press conference from the AD is what? It's on paper. As Brandon mentioned, if the University leverages it out to a stronger buyout, where's the loss?
BamaFan334
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As I stated, I think this is where Sexton continues to wield power over everyone and continues driving the price up that ultimately falls on the students and consumers. That's the loss. I have zero say in the financials of my university. The only thing I can do is pull my contributions and go home if I don't like it all. You keep feeding Sexton and he'll continue to ruin the sport for his own personal gain.
Everyone has to have their Boogeyman, I suppose.
Bammerboy321
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Scott Huff was the offensive line coach at Washington in 2023 and didn't follow DeBoer here. He stayed to coach in Seattle last season, and is with the Rams this season.
I don't know why he hired Chris Kapilovic. His offensive lines were garbage at Michigan State and they've been subpar here. Some of that is understandably the transition to DeBoer's offense, but it has been an underwhelming unit overall. Honestly, DeBoer needs to shake up a lot of his staff. And once the season concludes, he better be removing the dick head in charge of the special teams.
Kamikazi18627
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I am not really for an extension right now, but the season of college football coaches is just this.....extend or I'm going to leave.
Not that CKD is actually thinking of leaving, I am just saying it appears to be the way things go now. Also, does an extension really matter? We have seen schools buyout coaches for ridiculous amounts anyway. I don't think a higher buyout and more years really matters that much. Not for a "bigger" market team at least.
It comes down to, if he wants to stay. He will. If not, he will go. Regardless of money.
Not that CKD is actually thinking of leaving, I am just saying it appears to be the way things go now. Also, does an extension really matter? We have seen schools buyout coaches for ridiculous amounts anyway. I don't think a higher buyout and more years really matters that much. Not for a "bigger" market team at least.
It comes down to, if he wants to stay. He will. If not, he will go. Regardless of money.
Justneedme81
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It's amazing as a fan to see everyone acting entitled about CKD and his tenure here ar Alabama. Year 1 got left out out of playoff. Year 2, Sec championship game and lost and made playoff.
CKD isn't perfect but you can see his plans coming together. We got one heck of defense and offense is like few players aways from a dangerous offense. Most fans just probably need to stop whining and understand were in the different era where NIL, money and etc is involved. Saban and Bear days are gone. I think most Alabama fans probably need to have a reality check within themselves and start accept CKD. .. because if you're not careful..... You're gonna wish you had appreciate CKD and be stuck with coaches who lose games more than they win. No more top ten classes. Going back to 6 wins seasons.
Stop complaing and start appreciate things for what it is .. good and bad.
CKD isn't perfect but you can see his plans coming together. We got one heck of defense and offense is like few players aways from a dangerous offense. Most fans just probably need to stop whining and understand were in the different era where NIL, money and etc is involved. Saban and Bear days are gone. I think most Alabama fans probably need to have a reality check within themselves and start accept CKD. .. because if you're not careful..... You're gonna wish you had appreciate CKD and be stuck with coaches who lose games more than they win. No more top ten classes. Going back to 6 wins seasons.
Stop complaing and start appreciate things for what it is .. good and bad.
It's funny thinking about going back twenty years. If we did, with this season and its results, we'd probably be looking at playing Oregon in Florida. Ole Miss would be down there as well with A&M headed to the Cotton to play Texas Tech. We'd see UGA and Ohio State New Years Day in the Sugar Bowl.
The current state...that means IU would be in the Rose against the PAC 2 winner. That's as weak of a match up as IU's OOC schedule
BamaFan334
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True True, good point.
JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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