🏈 GAME THREAD ⭐ Arkansas vs Alabama ⭐

[JoshB]

So, that's about half of the plate of crow eaten. Yes, you said you'd love to be wrong. You also knew what Arkansas was when you said that a few days ago. I asked for the clarification so you could walk it back a bit. You doubled down, bro.

...all good.

Wait... what? Why are you pretending I was talking about Arkansas when I clearly said that would happen against LSU? Stop it Terry.

 

[18Champs]

Wait... what? Why are you pretending I was talking about Arkansas when I clearly said that would happen against LSU? Stop it Terry.

In sarasm you say "We're gonna destroy LSU with Mac!"

But this comment isn't about LSU. It's about Mac as a quarterback. Who it is againt has nothi8ng to do with what you are saying here.

Then, let me be more clear... I do not believe Mac Jones is or will be an effective/competent QB. I don't think he has a good arm. I don't think he is accurate. I don't think he has any pocket awareness. I don't think he has the ability to take command of the offense. Everything I just said is an opinion. That is my belief from nothing other than watching him play the last few years, that's it. No inside information, no secret scouting report. Just my two eyes. Could I be wrong? I sure as hell hope so. I will be much, much more happy if I am wrong than if I am right, believe me.

 

[JoshB]

In sarasm you say "We're gonna destroy LSU with Mac!"

But this comment isn't about LSU. It's about Mac as a quarterback. Who it is againt has nothi8ng to do with what you are saying here.

No, where our original argument over Mac started was talking about LSU. I said that a Mac Jones-led offense will go three-and-out all day against LSU. I have never once said that he wouldn't score against Arkansas. They have literally the worst defense in the SEC. Now, granted I did not expect him to look as good as he did down the stretch, though.

 

[planomateo]

No, where our original argument over Mac started was talking about LSU. I said that a Mac Jones-led offense will go three-and-out all day against LSU. I have never once said that he wouldn't score against Arkansas. They have literally the worst defense in the SEC. Now, granted I did not expect him to look as good as he did down the stretch, though.

I don't see that at all. I think a Mac Jones led Alabama will beat LSU.

 

[TerryP]

No, where our original argument over Mac started was talking about LSU. I said that a Mac Jones-led offense will go three-and-out all day against LSU. I have never once said that he wouldn't score against Arkansas. They have literally the worst defense in the SEC. Now, granted I did not expect him to look as good as he did down the stretch, though.

Not exactly, Josh. We may be delving into a case of semantics here but as I reread the thread your comment about Mac beating LSU was in response to the post made on reddit and my comment about what he'd posted was the truth. We discussed the opinion aspect—fans should support Mac—and you clarified that mentioning you can root for the kid and still think he's not a good quarterback.

Personally, I didn't see the last few comments you made to be referencing LSU. It read as an opinion that "Mac is not a good quarterback."

| FTBL - found on reddit- The Underestimation of Mac Jones

www.rolltidebama.com

It's all good. You still have Sark and his game plans sitting to the side.

 

[jdpas29]

I don’t know if we will beat them, but I doubt Mac would be the reason we lose. Our defense getting a handle on their short passing game is more likely to be an issue. Qb play was the difference for them yesterday against barners.

 

[JoshB]

I don't see that at all. I think a Mac Jones led Alabama will beat LSU.

Just have to agree to disagree on that one. I will say that my confidence in him went up a lot more from what it was but I still do not think the offense will/would be very effective against LSU with Mac Jones leading it.

 

[JoshB]

Not exactly, Josh. We may be delving into a case of semantics here but as I reread the thread your comment about Mac beating LSU was in response to the post made on reddit and my comment about what he'd posted was the truth. We discussed the opinion aspect—fans should support Mac—and you clarified that mentioning you can root for the kid and still think he's not a good quarterback.

Personally, I didn't see the last few comments you made to be referencing LSU. It read as an opinion that "Mac is not a good quarterback."

| FTBL - found on reddit- The Underestimation of Mac Jones

www.rolltidebama.com

It's all good. You still have Sark and his game plans sitting to the side.

I still don't think he is a good QB - I'm not disputing that part. I think he is average at best and him shredding a horrible defense doesn't change that. If he were to do that against a defense that has a pulse, I would happily eat my crow sandwich. I never once said he was going to be awful against Arkansas, though, which you are trying to imply.

And just as an example of Arky's awesome defense, San Jose's QB threw for over 400 yards against them.

Sark has been great this year. His schemes have been terrific. I have no qualms with him, yet.

 

[Destiny's Child]

To me the most concerning issue about the upcoming game is the number of tackles that 8 & 35 overrun or miss all together. 36 is no better but that group missed so many tackles that it should be embarrassing for them and their coaches. They both look good in the uniform but are really going to be targeted against LSU. If we had Moses and McMillan I think we beat them handily.

I took my son to the Arkansas game (compliments of It Takes 11) and I know 8 lead us in tackles but he also lead us in missed tackles. He got so many chances because they were targeting him.. LSU will too but with much better players

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

I watched the game with Ten Bears and some of his fine staff and they believe this is the worse tackling defensive team that Nick's had at Bama. I tend to agree. Time and time again you see the defense in position to make a play for a loss or a short gain and then the players runs past us or carries us for more positive yardage. The most physical tackle is LB #10 but he must not be the sharpest knife in the drawer mentally otherwise he would be starting over #36 in the dime package. #36 is lost.
Mack looked like a playa instead of the roster filler ….he was signed as back years ago so Nick has enough QB's to conduct practice. Kentucky would be in pretty good shape if they had held on to him on NSD.

 

[mando]

this is the worse tackling defensive team that Nick's had at Bama.

Hard to disagree with that. I think they also do not get off blocks well and overrun the ball carrier and let them cut back and make more yardage. The youth and inexperience is real and it shows. They have gotten better but still have a ways to go. The last two games statistically they have had their best games. Now it was against one improving team and one really bad team. Seems like the strength of the D is the corners. The pass rush is also much improved lately.

 

[bamaledge]

This is jus my opinion but I wonder why some of you are on here because all you do is bitch about one thing or another. I can only speak for myself, but still me of you people make me not want to stop by or just “ignore “ half of you.

 

[TerryP]

but I still do not think the offense will/would be very effective against LSU with Mac Jones leading it.

No kidding, Josh. We're comparing Tua to Mac. Change Mac to Fromm and the same thing can be said. Replace Mac with Burrow and the same thing can be said. It's not a level field of comparisons you're making here.

I still don't think he is a good QB - I'm not disputing that part. I think he is average at best and him shredding a horrible defense doesn't change that. If he were to do that against a defense that has a pulse, I would happily eat my crow sandwich. I never once said he was going to be awful against Arkansas, though, which you are trying to imply.

This is why I stopped you in that post and wanted to see if you'd backtrack what you were saying. And, as mentioned in this thread, you didn't. You doubled down.

In no world does "I think he is average at best" come close to saying the same thing as "I do not believe Mac Jones is or will be an effective/competent QB."

You stepped out on that limb and the weight of the absurdity snapped it at the trunk. I appreciate your a caveat of "I do not believe." But literally, everything you said in the reply to my question about the cynicism in that thread was wrong. But, as you included in your post, it was an opinion.

To be frank, this conversation here reminds me of one we had two years ago after Bama beat Mercer. I made a point to note the game Dylan Moses had that weekend (10+ tackes as I recall with many of them solo's, about five or so behind the line of scrimmage and an INT.) I recall specifically how you scoffed about the observation in his first start also claiming "look who they were playing."

In that game Dylan was playing effectively and competently with the linebacking corps. He did a great job commanding his role. Mac did the same against Arkansas. Both cases are games where good players did exactly what they're supposed to do against lesser opponents.

 

[bamaledge]

I’m sorry @TerryP, @planomateo and Rickey, I am just tired of so much negativity from some people. Love y’all but can’t stand them.

 

[TerryP]

I’m sorry @TerryP, @planomateo and Rickey, I am just tired of so much negativity from some people. Love y’all but can’t stand them.

In my view it's a lot like a birdie golfer complaining about a five on a 5 par without taking into consideration their second shot was 250 out, buried, from a fairway bunker.

But what do I know about golf?

 

[rocknthefreeworld]

There is a reason the ignore button exists. Some folks are philosophically opposed to it while others can't use it because they need to do their moderator jobs. Neither applies to many of us and it works fine.

 

[planomateo]

Bottom line. Auburn shoulda/coulda/woulda beat LSU with Box Nix as QB intentional grounder.

The week prior, Florida shoulda/coulda/woulda beat LSU (game was tied 28-28 with 10 mins left in the 4th).

I've said it all season, I'm not convinced LSU is the world beater that others think...even Connelly's SP+ supports this.

 

[TerryP]

I don't see that at all. I think a Mac Jones led Alabama will beat LSU.

Bottom line. Auburn shoulda/coulda/woulda beat LSU with Box Nix as QB intentional grounder.

I don't feel your opinion is unreasonable here.

If we look at common opponents, in this case Arkansas, we can see Mac is a better quarterback than Nix. A one game comparison at the bottom of this post. CAVEAT: Lia in with over half of the third quarter remaining, Gatewood in with less than half remaining in the fourth.

Just offense for now. The defensive comparisons slightly favor Bama as well when looking at Arkansas.

Auburn Passing

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	QBR
Bo Nix	12/17	176	10.4	3	0	82.7
Joey Gatewood	1/2	17	8.5	1	0	1.1
TEAM	13/19	193	10.2	4	0	--

Alabama Passing

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	QBR
Mac Jones	18/22	235	10.7	3	0	94.4
Taulia Tagovailoa	6/8	45	5.6	0	0	48.0
TEAM	24/30	280	9.3	3	0	--

 

[planomateo]

Reportedly Nix was 4-19 on passes over 5 yards. #baller

 

[PurlJam]

No kidding, Josh. We're comparing Tua to Mac. Change Mac to Fromm and the same thing can be said. Replace Mac with Burrow and the same thing can be said. It's not a level field of comparisons you're making here.

This is why I stopped you in that post and wanted to see if you'd backtrack what you were saying. And, as mentioned in this thread, you didn't. You doubled down.

In no world does "I think he is average at best" come close to saying the same thing as "I do not believe Mac Jones is or will be an effective/competent QB."

You stepped out on that limb and the weight of the absurdity snapped it at the trunk. I appreciate your a caveat of "I do not believe." But literally, everything you said in the reply to my question about the cynicism in that thread was wrong. But, as you included in your post, it was an opinion.

To be frank, this conversation here reminds me of one we had two years ago after Bama beat Mercer. I made a point to note the game Dylan Moses had that weekend (10+ tackes as I recall with many of them solo's, about five or so behind the line of scrimmage and an INT.) I recall specifically how you scoffed about the observation in his first start also claiming "look who they were playing."

In that game Dylan was playing effectively and competently with the linebacking corps. He did a great job commanding his role. Mac did the same against Arkansas. Both cases are games where good players did exactly what they're supposed to do against lesser opponents.

Better yet, Send Mac to the Big 12.