🏈 (Split from another thread.} Before you start up about playing the Citadel, have you looked at what P5 teams Bama could have scheduled?

[50+yeartidefan]

And remember....these football programs are owned by the public...not the ncaa...
These r pubic.some private..so the schools will have some say.

 

[TerryP]

these football programs are owned by the public

? How so?

 

[50+yeartidefan]

? How so?

Because they are public universities.....and regardless of whos and whats...it isstill the president's ( of the university and board,of directors) call what goes on... and ultimately the tax payer....
Except in the few private universities...usc..nd..etc
If a schools program didnt want to join a conference full time...dont have to ( nd)..
Or add sports, or drop sports (uab)....
The ncaa and conference are not all controlling.....but monitoring and regulating...
You know this... @TerryP

 

[TerryP]

Because they are public universities.....and regardless of whos and whats...it isstill the president's ( of the university and board,of directors) call what goes on... and ultimately the tax payer....
Except in the few private universities...usc..nd..etc
If a schools program didnt want to join a conference full time...dont have to ( nd)..
Or add sports, or drop sports (uab)....
The ncaa and conference are not all controlling.....but monitoring and regulating...
You know this... @TerryP

I have to disagree with you on a couple of things here, one being a football program is publically owned. You can argue tax dollars on a good number of programs--can't really do that with Bama considering where the revenue is coming from. The athletic programs of about 20 schools operate as if they are independents like Notre Dame because they aren't relying on the school (or tax payers) for support.

Since we're talking about the Alabama schedule and the Citadel it brings up my second point of disagreement. The reason that OOC date is open the week before Auburn lies at the feet of the conference. If you recall, there's was quite a bit of angst voiced about Bama and Auburn playing in the SECCG with a week off. There were a lot of other schools who didn't like the idea of playing a bigger game the week before the SECCG when Bama would have been sitting at home.

If we see moves like the ones suggested in this thread it'll be lead by the conferences and their members. IE: There's one of the reasons we don't see a nine game conference schedule now--too many SEC coaches don't like the possibility of missing out on bowl appearances. It's easy to see with careers like Mullen had at Mississippi State.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

I have to disagree with you on a couple of things here, one being a football program is publically owned. You can argue tax dollars on a good number of programs--can't really do that with Bama considering where the revenue is coming from. The athletic programs of about 20 schools operate as if they are independents like Notre Dame because they aren't relying on the school (or tax payers) for support.

Since we're talking about the Alabama schedule and the Citadel it brings up my second point of disagreement. The reason that OOC date is open the week before Auburn lies at the feet of the conference. If you recall, there's was quite a bit of angst voiced about Bama and Auburn playing in the SECCG with a week off. There were a lot of other schools who didn't like the idea of playing a bigger game the week before the SECCG when Bama would have been sitting at home.

If we see moves like the ones suggested in this thread it'll be lead by the conferences and their members. IE: There's one of the reasons we don't see a nine game conference schedule now--too many SEC coaches don't like the possibility of missing out on bowl appearances. It's easy to see with careers like Mullen had at Mississippi State.

First part ..true for bama...but there are a couple of hundred other schools playing football....but how can you disagree that anything that goes on for a school is not public property...it is... and yes..there are several private schools like nd, usc, byu, etc...but state schools are public property...

Second part...i concur...no disagree there..

Third..agree again..lead by conference..not mandated......all the schools have to do whats best for them......

We arent far off...minor disagreements...

 

[UAgrad93]

Don't like the Citadel game but I will go and spend that time with my daughter as I do each game that falls in that schedule slot. Until we go to a 9 game conference schedule like CNS has suggested for several years, we will always have "that" game. We would likely need the agreement from all of the P5 conferences to schedule "conference" games on exclusive dates, much like the AHSAA assigns Region game dates and then have 3-4 free dates to schedule remaining opponents.

 

[TerryP]

We would likely need the agreement from all of the P5 conferences to schedule "conference" games on exclusive dates, much like the AHSAA assigns Region game dates and then have 3-4 free dates to schedule remaining opponents.

I see that as the main component to eliminating P5 vs G5 or FCS opponents.

It's one of those things I'd have to put "pen to paper" on to figure out how, or if, it would work but I'd love to see something along the lines of one FCS/G5, two P5 OOC's, and a nine game conference schedule across the board. That one FCS/G5 game could be each school's homecoming. Consider we've seen ESPN's GameDay on location in New York and at FCS schools so they aren't limited to just marquee matchups. I suspect a weekend of football that was all Homecoming games would draw a diverse audience even with the limited marquee games.

IE, from week to week:

1. OOC marquee matchups across P5 conferences.
2. SEC
3. OOC
4. SEC
5. SEC
6. SEC
7. SEC
8. SEC
9. FCS Homecoming (should accommodate weather this time of the year.)
10. SEC
11. SEC
12. SEC.

How to coordinate the off-dates? There's question I'd have to consider as well.

 

[TerryP]

.but how can you disagree that anything that goes on for a school is not public property.

Because if an Athletic department isn't accepting state or tax funds to operate how can you say "publicly owned?" The salaries aren't relying on public monies. The education of the athletes and associated expenses aren't relying on public monies.

Just as an example here...we've seen the Governor of Louisiana make several comments about the salaries of coaches at LSU. He's being scoffed at, daily, because the LSU athletic department is self-sustaining.

 

[UAgrad93]

@TerryP , this is basically how the ASHAA sets it up for football. Only logistics left for the coaches are home/away set up on the schedule. Sylacauga does have to do a little more work to accommodate sharing Legion Stadium with BB Comer HS but it works.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Because if an Athletic department isn't accepting state or tax funds to operate how can you say "publicly owned?" The salaries aren't relying on public monies. The education of the athletes and associated expenses aren't relying on public monies.

Just as an example here...we've seen the Governor of Louisiana make several comments about the salaries of coaches at LSU. He's being scoffed at, daily, because the LSU athletic department is self-sustaining.

Well...I totally disagree with that premise....it is called "the University of Alabama " ....thats publically owned...thats a state school.everything about it is State of alabama property...but let's call it a dead horse and move on...

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

Looks like we're gonna have to play the Browns every year to shut the naysayers up.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Because if an Athletic department isn't accepting state or tax funds to operate how can you say "publicly owned?" The salaries aren't relying on public monies. The education of the athletes and associated expenses aren't relying on public monies.

Just as an example here...we've seen the Governor of Louisiana make several comments about the salaries of coaches at LSU. He's being scoffed at, daily, because the LSU athletic department is self-sustaining.

Ad one last thought...i bet the employees are on state retirement and state health care...and i would bet.....dont know...that dispersal of money goes to university designated for athletic programs.....but i dont know this but quess...
Anyway...great discussion....

 

[BamaFan334]

Hell, set up a revenue share with the FCS teams since they rely on D-I teams scheduling them. Same as unemployment and taxes with our paychecks that pay for welfare and things of that nature. More money will be made by not playing the FCS teams than with the FCS teams. Think $35-50 a ticket for that game, or $75-$100 a ticket for a game folks want to see?

$100 x 101,000 = $10,100,000.00
$50 x 101,000 = $5,050,000.00 minus whatever we pay the team.

Now these are hypothetical numbers just to make a point, BUT it shows a double in revenue in just tickets, not to mention all of the extra marketing and television opportunities. especially if this was a neutral site game they paid us for. Plenty of money being made to where we could keep D-II teams afloat and get out extra Power 5 game.

Sure, Alabama gets their money anyways, but it won't stop the bitching and complaining. Don't like empty seats at the end of every game, up the competition and work towards bettering the attendance and the show.

 

[TerryP]

Well...I totally disagree with that premise....it is called "the University of Alabama " ....thats publically owned...thats a state school.everything about it is State of alabama property...but let's call it a dead horse and move on...

Dead horse. If you wish.

May I point out one thing? "The University of Alabama" is supposed to signify it's publicly owned while the "University of Southern California" is a private school?

As a side note which is changing the subject a bit. When there was a move at Bama for the athletic department to be treated as a part of the "public side" (in this case it was under the guise of it being under the "academic side," which is tax supported) we as fans were left with one Bob Bockrath and one Gene Sorenson. With Coach Moore that line took a few years to redraw, but it certainly was...and was with the approval of Dr. Witt.

 

[TerryP]

Ad one last thought...i bet the employees are on state retirement and state health care...and i would bet.....dont know...that dispersal of money goes to university designated for athletic programs.....but i dont know this but quess...
Anyway...great discussion....

This is true. A good example is that of Coach Burns who is now vetted in the Alabama system. Coach Saban has a salary which is miniscule compared to what he makes.

The operating expenses which are reported each year to the NCAA include salaries of coaches. We may be talking 1 million versus over 145 million in expenses. (I say 1 million based on what I know Saban is making on his salary--245K in '17.)

 

[TerryP]

Plenty of money being made to where we could keep D-II teams afloat and get out extra Power 5 game.

There's a thread here about ESPN plans to launch ESPN Plus this spring. By appearances, it looks to be a contract with the Group of Five schools. A TV type deal, with sponsorships for their playoffs, could go a a long way as well.

Since we're on the Citadel...their last report to the NCAA showed they received over 10 million from state allocated funds. One payday like a Bama game will scratch that number, but certainly won't make a sizeable dent. On the other hand, Charleston Southern is estimated to have brought in a net of about 1 million last season with operating expenses close to that of the Citadel. I've watched how they've spent their money from games against FBS opponents. Their field (playing surface) is nicer than Bryant-Denny's. They've installed lights over the last few years allowing them to host night games plus a handful of other major cosmetic changes.

 

[OldPlayer]

Dead horse. If you wish.

May I point out one thing? "The University of Alabama" is supposed to signify it's publicly owned while the "University of Southern California" is a private school?

As a side note which is changing the subject a bit. When there was a move at Bama for the athletic department to be treated as a part of the "public side" (in this case it was under the guise of it being under the "academic side," which is tax supported) we as fans were left with one Bob Bockrath and one Gene Sorenson. With Coach Moore that line took a few years to redraw, but it certainly was...and was with the approval of Dr. Witt.

Last I checked, Southern California is not a state.

 

[TerryP]

Last I checked, Southern California is not a state.

You got the point though. Does Penn work better for you?