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Butch isn't a stupid cat. I'm sure he looks at things like something like this;
Con--I'm at a basketball school.
Pro--I'm at a basketball school. Ecpectations are reasonable. :wink:
Pro--I'm getting paid, and will likely get payed even more very soon. My name will be bandied around for various jobs and I can turn that into a pay raise from a North Carolina administration that can more than afford to pay me big bucks. Not to mention, I'll probably get a raise for the job I'm doing so far.
Pro--I'm in a conference that can potentially be dominated.
Push--while my conference will not have the clout of say, the SEC, I won't have to go through the same wars weekly either. So does that make getting to the big games easier?
I'd think Butch Davis would be interested in taking an SEC job but I'm not sure that the timing is good for him to make a move. Plus, how do we know he's not perfectly content building his own program in Carolina? He's in a pretty good situation there.
Con--I'm at a basketball school.
Pro--I'm at a basketball school. Ecpectations are reasonable. :wink:
Pro--I'm getting paid, and will likely get payed even more very soon. My name will be bandied around for various jobs and I can turn that into a pay raise from a North Carolina administration that can more than afford to pay me big bucks. Not to mention, I'll probably get a raise for the job I'm doing so far.
Pro--I'm in a conference that can potentially be dominated.
Push--while my conference will not have the clout of say, the SEC, I won't have to go through the same wars weekly either. So does that make getting to the big games easier?
I'd think Butch Davis would be interested in taking an SEC job but I'm not sure that the timing is good for him to make a move. Plus, how do we know he's not perfectly content building his own program in Carolina? He's in a pretty good situation there.
Coaches are scared to come to the SEC because Nick Saban is in the SEC and the ones that are already here want to go coach in the ACC cause they know whats coming. Yes it does make sense.
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Nate said:
He couldn't handle the pressures of the Cleveland Browns without having (or nearly having) a mental breakdown... I'm not sure Tuscaloosa is the place for him.
IMO Davis should have taken the job at Bama when it was offered......instead of giving his word via a handshake, & then backing out at the last minute. I lost all respect for the man at that point. ^^RAN Sorry.....couldn't resist! 
I agree with the poster that said the best want to compete in the best league, & against the best competition. I wouldn't want a HC that would run from stiff competition.
I agree with the poster that said the best want to compete in the best league, & against the best competition. I wouldn't want a HC that would run from stiff competition.
when was he offered?Crimson Hawk said:IMO Davis should have taken the job at Bama when it was offered......instead of giving his word via a handshake, & then backing out at the last minute. I lost all respect for the man at that point. ^^RAN Sorry.....couldn't resist!
I agree with the poster that said the best want to compete in the best league, & against the best competition. I wouldn't want a HC that would run from stiff competition.
Supposedly Davis told Moore he would take the job and a tentative financial package was agreed to between the two.Nate said:
Then, in very short order, the Browns extended him a much more lucrative package and the lure of the NFL.
Davis then reneged on the deal. And we went scrambling and ended up with Franchoine - at Stallings' and Lee Roy Jordan's insistence.
I myself would prefer the challange that coaching in the SEC brings. Like it was stated earlier,"if you want to be the best, you've got to beat the best."
I can see the other side too. Coach in the ACC or some other basketball conference and you have security because there are no high expectations because basketball is the king sport.
I experienced this when I was coaching in the high school ranks. I was coaching baseball(2A) and there were no expectations on the program, basketball and wrestling were the big sports of interest. I could've stayed but I chose to move from there to a 5A program that had some tradition in football and baseball and the greater possibility of championships was a reality.
I can see the other side too. Coach in the ACC or some other basketball conference and you have security because there are no high expectations because basketball is the king sport.
I experienced this when I was coaching in the high school ranks. I was coaching baseball(2A) and there were no expectations on the program, basketball and wrestling were the big sports of interest. I could've stayed but I chose to move from there to a 5A program that had some tradition in football and baseball and the greater possibility of championships was a reality.
I think that was the case when CNS was hired, but CBD had basically burned his bridges with Bama.Nate said:
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uagrad93 said:
Intersting post 93. I come from a different landscape in that I went to school and played at South Lamar High School, a school that had high expectations and no wrestling program at all.
You mention your school being a 2A and I look back on my high school days and don't recall wrestling being a sport in the vast majority of the 3A's at the time. We never had it at all. We did the standard football, baseball, track, ect, and so on.
As far as our expectations within the two major sports of football and basketball, they were always high, and rightfully so. Maybe expectations outside of the program were not that high, but within the program and community they certainly were. Every year.
The reality of winning or expecting a championship is not confined to the size of the school either. Schools like Hazelwood, Courtland, Colbert County, Gordo and Addison prove that. You can have a successful, dominant program if you play your cards right with the program and have a coach.
Anyway, appreciate your input. I just find it intriguing our difference in perspective on this.
Porkchop. I coached at Fultondale High School from 93 to 99. We may have been 3A not 2A. All I remember when I was hired was that the football team had just had their best season at 9-2 and basketball was going on a 34-4 season but wrestling was wrapping up their 2nd or 3rd straight state championship. Our baseball program finished 20-6 that year with basically everyone sharing the same kids.That class graduated and the expectations around there never materialized in the big programs, just wrestling. Now wrestling at that level meant you only competed against 15 other schools in 1A thru 4A, whereas the big sports competed against 95 other teams. Gardendale High was right next door and they had a good run in the ealy and late 80's in football so the expectations were over there for them and not us. I wanted those expectations to be high because with my having walked on at UA, I knew what winning was about and that you were supposed to play for championships.
