🏈 So, how about the ESPN Roll Tide/War Eagle show?

[JoshB]

Yeah I know that and they showed video of it. Just seemed a bit odd, and somewhat suggested, that they did so in Tuscaloosa. Which either way makes no difference to me, but why imply it? Then again, I was half paying attention at that point so maybe I missed something.

Actually Gene Chizik said flat out that he went to the AD and said "lets go to Tuscaloosa and help." did that not really happen?

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

Actually Gene Chizik said flat out that he went to the AD and said "lets go to Tuscaloosa and help." did that not really happen?

I think it was made to look like they came here (to Tuscaloosa), when they really didn't. Again, like others pointed out, they did go somewhere and help, and that should be commended... just seems odd as to why it was portrayed/suggested that they came to Tuscaloosa... cause I'm almost positive they didn't.

 

[kc]

Lake Martin. That is the only place 'they' did anything.

 

[foshman]

It was a documentary about how the two programs came together when they needed to or something. I forget the exact tagline.

My guess is the director either chose to make the implication to fit his narrative, or (more likely) was so engrossed in his narrative that he failed to recognize the difference to informed viewers.

All documentaries have a POV, it isn't uncommon for them to blur the lines of reality in order to fit that POV.

 

[JoshB]

It was a documentary about how the two programs came together when they needed to or something. I forget the exact tagline.

My guess is the director either chose to make the implication to fit his narrative, or (more likely) was so engrossed in his narrative that he failed to recognize the difference to informed viewers.

All documentaries have a POV, it isn't uncommon for them to blur the lines of reality in order to fit that POV.

How can you blame the director? CHIZIK said BLATANTLY "i told Jay Jacobs, lets go to Tuscaloosa and help." The documentary didnt "imply", the director didnt "imply", and Chizik didnt even "imply", he said FLAT OUT that they went to Tuscaloosa to help so if anyone is "blurring the lines" its him.

 

[foshman]

Again, I haven't seen the documentary so I'm not sure what the implication was but Chizik saying 'lets go to Tuscaloosa' and then winding up in another similarly affected area hardly makes him a liar.

Though feel free to believe the worst.

 

[bamascw]

I was not impressed with it. Most of the 30 for 30 shows have been really good but this one seemed a bit thrown together and did not cover nearly as much as I was hoping for.

 

[JoshB]

Again, I haven't seen the documentary so I'm not sure what the implication was but Chizik saying 'lets go to Tuscaloosa' and then winding up in another similarly affected area hardly makes him a liar.

Though feel free to believe the worst.

uhhhh how does that not make him a liar? please explain that one. "lets go to tuscaloosa and help" but they never went? i think its great that they helped anywhere, but dont lie. and that IS a lie.

 

[foshman]

uhhhh how does that not make him a liar? please explain that one. "lets go to tuscaloosa and help" but they never went? i think its great that they helped anywhere, but dont lie. and that IS a lie.

Again I've still not seen it so I'm not sure what he said.

Did he say he went to Tuscaloosa? That would be a lie. Saying he said "let's go to Tuscaloosa" is not (unless he never said that.)

Maybe he intended to go to Tuscaloosa but other people involved in planning the trip decided on another location.

Maybe he used Tuscaloosa synonymously as it was the most well known of the affected cities. (The same way many people synonymously used New Orleans to refer to areas hit by Katrina.)

Maybe he was asked "What was your response when you heard about the tornado damage?"

None of those examples make him a liar.

But again believe what ever you want.

 

[Roll Tide Rev]

It is possible he said "let's go to Tuscaloosa" but they didn't actually go there. Why is this a big deal anyway? Let's don't be like "them!" LOL!

 

[Duder]

The Auburn contingent went to Birmingham, Cullman and Pleasant Grove. Chizik did make a trek to Tuscaloosa to help distribute items briefly.

The clip from the movie was from their trip to Cullman and such.

Chizik also helped organize some of the stuff done in Auburn that was sent to Tuscaloosa? Perhaps that's what he meant in that clip? I don't remember the exact quote but the way it was portrayed was certainly misleading.

 

[kc]

Talked to an AU faculty member yesterday, and she even agreed the show painted a different picture about Chizik and the crew actually did. I only knew about the Lake Martin area. She corrected me and informed me about the Birmingham area and some others. Regardless, Chizik should not have said that phrase......even if it was just a way to show his 'good' intentions. I did not take it as they packed up the team and went to help.
Of course, this shows how much I really keep up with Auburn, and I am really close to campus...heh.:nana: RTR

 

[LBS]

It missed the mark.

This rivalry can't rightly be seen in the wackos that every university has, but in the exception passion shown by the average fan, 6 months removed for the Iron Bowl. Crimson Pride is not a season thing broken out like were do Christmas decoration. Crimson Pride is Alabama flag hanging outside every other house in June. Its noticably high number of red colored cars that are sold in the state. Its an annual reunion of normal folks who were named in part after Coach Bryant. Its the way Fall Saturdays are the least likely time to see a wedding at the Church. Its not breaking the law, acting in a manner that is not suitable for women and children, nor making outsiders look at us as if we are punchlines. Because this was not the message aired in the show, I think it missed the mark.

 

[foshman]

It missed the mark.

This rivalry can't rightly be seen in the wackos that every university has, but in the exception passion shown by the average fan, 6 months removed for the Iron Bowl. Crimson Pride is not a season thing broken out like were do Christmas decoration. Crimson Pride is Alabama flag hanging outside every other house in June. Its noticably high number of red colored cars that are sold in the state. Its an annual reunion of normal folks who were named in part after Coach Bryant. Its the way Fall Saturdays are the least likely time to see a wedding at the Church. Its not breaking the law, acting in a manner that is not suitable for women and children, nor making outsiders look at us as if we are punchlines. Because this was not the message aired in the show, I think it missed the mark.

I just watched it and I thought it was pretty good. It only told part of the story, and it clearly highlighted the crazies, but all in all I thought they did a better job of explaining some of the idiosyncrasies of the rivalry. I also enjoyed some of the old highlights and the history. For those of us that grew up in, live in, or lived in Alabama I think it would be impossible to do the story justice in 1 hour.

A friend who lives here in Texas but grew up in Ohio was surprised that there seem to be so many fans on both sides that seem to hate the rival as much as they love their team. Texas and Texas A&M have that, but it's different here.

I laughed my ass off when the little kid said Roll Tide and got slapped by his friend. And I have no idea who that crazy woman on the Finebaum show is but I like her. I wonder if her yelling disturbs her many cats?

I also noted, unless I missed something, that Gene Chizik never said anything about going to Tuscaloosa. Jay Jacobs quoted him as saying that.

 

[Southern Bama]

Just watched it......Harveys psycho dumbazz received entirely too much airtime.....embarassment to the entire state.

 

[LBS]

I just watched it and I thought it was pretty good. It only told part of the story, and it clearly highlighted the crazies, but all in all I thought they did a better job of explaining some of the idiosyncrasies of the rivalry. I also enjoyed some of the old highlights and the history. For those of us that grew up in, live in, or lived in Alabama I think it would be impossible to do the story justice in 1 hour.

A friend who lives here in Texas but grew up in Ohio was surprised that there seem to be so many fans on both sides that seem to hate the rival as much as they love their team. Texas and Texas A&M have that, but it's different here.

I laughed my ass off when the little kid said Roll Tide and got slapped by his friend. And I have no idea who that crazy woman on the Finebaum show is but I like her. I wonder if her yelling disturbs her many cats?

I also noted, unless I missed something, that Gene Chizik never said anything about going to Tuscaloosa. Jay Jacobs quoted him as saying that.

First, include me as one who grew up in it. I'm about a local as they get.

I believe that "the crazies" are not even needed to make the case that it is the best, yet this came across like some kiind of Red-Neck Shock-n-Awe campaign at time (scream lady...Harvey Updike's disconnection with reality).

I hate to say it, but I think Bill Curry came the closest to making the point when he told that "Lawyer came up to me" story. That game a perspective that added depth and substance to the case.

 

[foshman]

I hate to say it, but I think Bill Curry came the closest to making the point when he told that "Lawyer came up to me" story. That game a perspective that added depth and substance to the case.

I thought Curry did a pretty good job of encompassing part of the rivalry. I also thought David Housel's history of the rivalry, Nick Saban's description of how the "Roll Tide" name started, and Bo's story about being recruited by Bryant did that well.

The attitude of the writer from Alabama also told a subtle story that many outsiders probably missed.

Upon watching it again the story they were telling was basically that despite a century long intense rivalry Auburn stepped up and were the bigger people in Alabama's time of need, immediately following a stupid (and illegal) prank from an Alabama fan. They didn't show any of our crazies, and we have our share. So I can see why Alabama fans aren't as thrilled with it. I still enjoyed a good bit of it even if it wasn't as compelling as most of the 30 for 30's were.