| FTBL Shula Recruiting, Shula Coaching, or Shula Development?

[bamascott2]

Which of the above played the biggest role im Bama's non-show in this year's draft?

I say player development (lack of discipline, lack of strong HC leadership) is mostly to blame, with an assist from Shula's coaching. And I was a pretty strong Shula supporter, even through the firing. :?

I would like to say it was bad recruiting, with a nice assist from the NCAA, but Shula signed 27 in '04...and some looked to be solid recruits. On paper, I guess.

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/commitlist.asp?Year=2004&School=2

It was pretty embarrassing (to me) for a school as tradition-rich as ours to be a non-issue in the draft.

 

[HiTide]

"It was pretty embarrassing (to me) for a school as tradition-rich as ours to be a non-issue in the draft"

I don't look at it as embarrassing.....I see it as confirmation that we haven't had the quality players that some have argued we do have. Coaching can only take you so far, no matter who's coaching. We can place the blame on Shula's coaching or recruiting skills or whatever, but IMHO this is just a consequence (directly or indirectly) of probation. It (the probation) did exactly what it was intended to do.

 

[reger60]

all of the above?

 

[imported_porkchop]

IMHO it comes down to developement in regards to the the Shula staff.

I mean, there is plenty of blame to go around here and a lot of areas to point fingers. We all know that Shula offered a ton of kids that never got in due to academics or whatever. But if you look at the players we have/had and what we've produced since Shula was the HC you'd be hard-pressed to say it's anything other than developement.

 

[Guest]

I don't disagree with you posting this, and I think it is all of the above, but you will get flamed by some people for it. They have a Shula love-fest around these parts and we are all required (in their eyes) to attend. Anything said about the Shula era that is not 100% positive will be frowned upon.

Which of the above played the biggest role im Bama's non-show in this year's draft?

I say player development (lack of discipline, lack of strong HC leadership) is mostly to blame, with an assist from Shula's coaching. And I was a pretty strong Shula supporter, even through the firing. :?

I would like to say it was bad recruiting, with a nice assist from the NCAA, but Shula signed 27 in '04...and some looked to be solid recruits. On paper, I guess.

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/commitlist.asp?Year=2004&School=2

It was pretty embarrassing (to me) for a school as tradition-rich as ours to be a non-issue in the draft.

 

[Supergenius]

RTR

 

[Guest]

Has anyone seen Daddy Shula's comments regarding the No-Show of his son's players? I can't seem to find one? It couldn't be that being trumped by D II schools makes his belly-aching after Sonny-boy was released makes him look silly at this point could it?

BTW Croom was a No-Show as well, it looks like going that way would not have been any better.

 

[Guest]

to me, the no-show in the draft stings just a little bit but there is nothing we can do about it. its not really like we didnt have anyone draft worthy though. oh well, it want be this way in a couple of years. you can bet on that :wink:

 

[Guest]

While the player developement was crucial and it's mainly Shula and Co's fault, you still have to take in account these guys weren't highly regarded talent in the first place. We may of been big fans with some of them and even had respect for most of the seniors, but every one had a less then spectacular senior season(Maybe not so much with DJ, only because of records).

 

[rammerjammer]

I say development played the strongest role in our "no show" at the draft.

We all know how the negative recruiting and the NCAA violations have hurt us. That horse has been beat to death and buried.

The main reason I say development is because Castille was recruited hard by Saban. He made a good push, but I think family is what kept Simeon at Alabama.

That doesn't mean that Simeon would have been an automatic draftee had he gone and played under Saban/Miles, but if he was a player that Saban would have wanted at LSU he has the skills/attributes to be NFL material IMO.

 

[RTRGrad2006]

re

I don't know the answer to the question, and truthfully at this point in time it doesn't matter.

I honestly feel like he did the best that he was able to do, and this coming from the guy who single-handedly started a firemikeshula website. I have the only "Want Shula? -> We Don't" t-shirt. And I still feel like it's time to move on.

LOL - but, to answer your question I would say wherever attitude falls in, that's what hurt us the worst.

 

[bamafan4ever]

I don't disagree with you posting this, and I think it is all of the above, but you will get flamed by some people for it. They have a Shula love-fest around these parts and we are all required (in their eyes) to attend. Anything said about the Shula era that is not 100% positive will be frowned upon.

Which of the above played the biggest role im Bama's non-show in this year's draft?

I say player development (lack of discipline, lack of strong HC leadership) is mostly to blame, with an assist from Shula's coaching. And I was a pretty strong Shula supporter, even through the firing. :?

I would like to say it was bad recruiting, with a nice assist from the NCAA, but Shula signed 27 in '04...and some looked to be solid recruits. On paper, I guess.

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/commitlist.asp?Year=2004&School=2

It was pretty embarrassing (to me) for a school as tradition-rich as ours to be a non-issue in the draft.

No one expects you to attend any Shula love-fest around here and you certainly won't see me attend one but no one is favor of the death penalty either. Quit trying to be so dramatic. There is no reason for it.

 

[Guest]

Shula isnt to blame on anything.....Hes one of our own......He didnt have enough time......He took the job when nobody else wanted it....blah blah




Somewhere Saban is sitting with a chit eating grin saying "I told you so" :wink:

 

[RTRGrad2006]

re

agreed

I read his final press statement the other day, after he was fired, and even that statement was classy.

 

[Guest]

Saban blind, dumb, and deaf > Shula

 

[bamatommy]

RTR

:lol: :lol:

 

[bamafan09]

It is my understanding that Shula is also responsible for gas prices going up, the cost of food, the shortage of rice, the Iraq war, 9-11, Jimmy Hoffa, and John Smoltz's bad shoulder. Could it be that the players we had just weren't good enough to begin with. Maybe if they had run a little faster or jumped a little higher, or even caught some balls that were thrown to them. Let it go Shula is gone, he doesn't get any credit for the 10-2 season but we give him all the credit for Bama's down years. Let's see how the next couple of drafts turn out with some of Saban's players, before we crucify anyone else.

 

[Guest]

I don't disagree with you posting this, and I think it is all of the above, but you will get flamed by some people for it. They have a Shula love-fest around these parts and we are all required (in their eyes) to attend. Anything said about the Shula era that is not 100% positive will be frowned upon.

Which of the above played the biggest role im Bama's non-show in this year's draft?

I say player development (lack of discipline, lack of strong HC leadership) is mostly to blame, with an assist from Shula's coaching. And I was a pretty strong Shula supporter, even through the firing. :?

I would like to say it was bad recruiting, with a nice assist from the NCAA, but Shula signed 27 in '04...and some looked to be solid recruits. On paper, I guess.

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/commitlist.asp?Year=2004&School=2

It was pretty embarrassing (to me) for a school as tradition-rich as ours to be a non-issue in the draft.

No one expects you to attend any Shula love-fest around here and you certainly won't see me attend one but no one is favor of the death penalty either. Quit trying to be so dramatic. There is no reason for it.

You know...I did a mid-season post where I compared the (then) current stats to the previous season. I did not mention Shula specifically. I was attacked for mentioning Shula. I did a series of posts about our recruits from 2003-2006 titled "where are they now?" and got attacked for being anti-Shula.

There is nothing over-dramatic about it...there are some folk on here who have a serious Shula man-crush. He was a decent QB and by all accounts is a good person (though dropping the F-bomb on TV hurt him in some eyes). The problem was, he was a poor coach in virtually all areas. The only area I think he was exceptional was QB development. He is a heck of a QB coach...all anyone needs to do to recognize that is compare JPW from 2006 to 2007.

 

[ghice]

It is my understanding that Shula is also responsible for gas prices going up, the cost of food, the shortage of rice, the Iraq war, 9-11, Jimmy Hoffa, and John Smoltz's bad shoulder. Could it be that the players we had just weren't good enough to begin with. Maybe if they had run a little faster or jumped a little higher, or even caught some balls that were thrown to them. Let it go Shula is gone, he doesn't get any credit for the 10-2 season but we give him all the credit for Bama's down years. Let's see how the next couple of drafts turn out with some of Saban's players, before we crucify anyone else.

I hope the Dolphins start winning so Daddy Shula will drop the gas prices, they're getting ridiculous

 

[Guest]

It is my understanding that Shula is also responsible for gas prices going up, the cost of food, the shortage of rice, the Iraq war, 9-11, Jimmy Hoffa, and John Smoltz's bad shoulder. Could it be that the players we had just weren't good enough to begin with. Maybe if they had run a little faster or jumped a little higher, or even caught some balls that were thrown to them. Let it go Shula is gone, he doesn't get any credit for the 10-2 season but we give him all the credit for Bama's down years. Let's see how the next couple of drafts turn out with some of Saban's players, before we crucify anyone else.

^^^ Case in Point ^^^


If it were up to me, I would pin a Shula bashing thread at the top of the board just to promote freedom of speech.