🏈 Should Clemson erect another tombstone? This one for their playoff chances?

[TerryP]

After three weeks?

 

[TerryP]

Pretty sustained

Coincidentally, the very things Saban said he hasn't been doing on live TV Saturday.

He's one game over .500 against P4 opponents over the last two years. His teams have a losing record against teams with a .500+ record since 2020.

Sustained what?

 

[TerryP]

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[50+yeartidefan]

Coincidentally, the very things Saban said he hasn't been doing on live TV Saturday.

He's one game over .500 against P4 opponents over the last two years. His teams have a losing record against teams with a .500+ record since 2020.

Sustained what?

It was said...he had one "trick pony"

I said ....looking at his record...his success has been "pretty sustained"

You're saying.....2 bad / mediocre year make him washed up....

....Saban is right...he isnt changing. We both agree...he better..

 

[BAMAneck]

clemson was on fire as long as Jeff Scott and Tony Elliott were calling the offense and Brent venables on defense. Since those coordinators have been hired away Clemson has been Clemsoming again.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

clemson was on fire as long as Jeff Scott and Tony Elliott were calling the offense and Brent venables on defense. Since those coordinators have been hired away Clemson has been Clemsoming again.

He also had some awesome QBs.

 

[TerryP]

You're saying.....2 bad / mediocre year make him washed up....

I said he was making it all about himself and that was the problem.

I didn't say two alone. I mentioned two while pointing to four in the history books and the fifth looking ugly.

Clemson is not winning games against winning teams and they haven't been since 2020. And when they do? I've cited the luck in this thread.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

I said he was making it all about himself and that was the problem.

I didn't say two alone. I mentioned two while pointing to four in the history books and the fifth looking ugly.

Clemson is not winning games against winning teams and they haven't been since 2020. And when they do? I've cited the luck in this thread.

4/5 years. Double digit winning seasons ( other a 9)
2/5 cfps
4/5 major bowls

I know ACC.

How many teams would love to have such a record 130+.

Hard times. Ok. No doubt for Clemson

But. They aren't trash. Dabo needs desperately to get on with what it takes ( as per nick saban).
Clemson is lucrative place
Dabo great record. Great recruiting.

But.... look at fsu. See what getting some dynamic players will do for you

 

[Secondand26]

You know what? Good for Dabo. Poor kid does well for himself - grandkids set for life. Great story.
I just don't like what he's become. I can't stand the self-centered "look at me". I can't stand the "little ole' clempsum" shit.
I can't stand the "I'll take my ball & go home" shit.
And I can't for the life of me understand how anyone would think that someone that thin-skinned would last any amount of time in the SEC, let alone at the University of Alabama!

 

[50+yeartidefan]

You know what? Good for Dabo. Poor kid does well for himself - grandkids set for life. Great story.
I just don't like what he's become. I can't stand the self-centered "look at me". I can't stand the "little ole' clempsum" shit.
I can't stand the "I'll take my ball & go home" shit.
And I can't for the life of me understand how anyone would think that someone that thin-skinned would last any amount of time in the SEC, let alone at the University of Alabama!

He certainly lets the talk around him...bother him...
But...ole Dabo aint done bad at Clemson....
2/5 years in cfp.
Double digit wins
Etc.

At bama.... we will never know.... i guess.

 

[Secondand26]

He certainly lets the talk around him...bother him...
But...ole Dabo aint done bad at Clemson....
2/5 years in cfp.
Double digit wins
Etc.

At bama.... we will never know.... i guess.

"ain't done bad at Clemson" - I fully agree with this! I'm extremely happy for him. I just don't think he has the mental toughness to coach at UA.
You have followed it for a long time & know that it takes a special mindset to success at Alabama.

 

[TerryP]

At bama.... we will never know.... i guess.

Except we do.

 

[BamaFan334]

He certainly lets the talk around him...bother him...
But...ole Dabo aint done bad at Clemson....
2/5 years in cfp.
Double digit wins
Etc.

At bama.... we will never know.... i guess.

That kind of success doesn't translate to the SEC. Not trying to diminish what all he accomplished, because he beat two of our better teams for a Natty, but the ACC he "dominated" was with a down Florida State and Miami, Georgia Tech running the Wing T, North Carolina, NC State, and Duke being who they have mainly been forever, Boston College, Louisville, and Virginia tech that has been down for years as well. Never had to endure an LSU, Alabama, Georgia, Florida during that run on a weekly basis.

 

[TerryP]

Not trying to diminish what all he accomplished,

You can quantify without diminishment. Here's an example I think fits.

No one that I know of diminishes the run Oklahoma had under Bud Wilkinson from 1953 to 1957. Undefeated, for that long? Impressive.

If we quantify that OU run?

-- In '57 they didn't play a team that finished with more than six wins until they lost to Notre Dame.
-- In '56 they beat a 8-2-1 Colorado in route to a 10-0 season. None of the other nine teams had more than four wins on the season.

The stretch reads like that, literally. In '55 they won their bowl game against a 10 win Maryland team. Good win! It was part of a season where their other "competition" was a 7-4 Pitt team.

In that stretch of seasons OU was 50-2-1. Out of those 50 wins seven had six or more wins in those seasons.

OU, and Clemson, built resumes on the backs of runner-ups to the also rans.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

You can quantify without diminishment. Here's an example I think fits.

No one that I know of diminishes the run Oklahoma had under Bud Wilkinson from 1953 to 1957. Undefeated, for that long? Impressive.

If we quantify that OU run?

-- In '57 they didn't play a team that finished with more than six wins until they lost to Notre Dame.
-- In '56 they beat a 8-2-1 Colorado in route to a 10-0 season. None of the other nine teams had more than four wins on the season.

The stretch reads like that, literally. In '55 they won their bowl game against a 10 win Maryland team. Good win! It was part of a season where their other "competition" was a 7-4 Pitt team.

In that stretch of seasons OU was 50-2-1. Out of those 50 wins seven had six or more wins in those seasons.

OU, and Clemson, built resumes on the backs of runner-ups to the also rans.

Others played smilar teams. They didnt go 50-2.
And really. Impossible to go back that far in a totally different era and compare

What ok did was...and hasnt even been challenged

 

[TerryP]

And really. Impossible to go back that far in a totally different era and compare

It isn't impossible because we're dealing with objective analysis. Those wins and losses came against teams of both teams respective eras.

There's always been winners and losers in every sport, in every era. OU racked up the vast majority of their wins against losers. Clemson is doing the same. How is that different as both teams were beating losing teams?

 

[50+yeartidefan]

It isn't impossible because we're dealing with objective analysis. Those wins and losses came against teams of both teams respective eras.

There's always been winners and losers in every sport, in every era. OU racked up the vast majority of their wins against losers. Clemson is doing the same. How is that different as both teams were beating losing teams?

I remember. Sec fans calling big 10...big 2

And yankee football fans crapping on bama for weak sec schedule ( then lose 9-10 bowls in a row).

Since there wasnt a lot cross conference play....

So...
Play ur conference. Win lose ordraw. That what you have.

Oklahoma record has stood a long time. Regardless of fiddling with who...when or whatever...its incredible

 

[BamaFan334]

I remember. Sec fans calling big 10...big 2

And yankee football fans crapping on bama for weak sec schedule ( then lose 9-10 bowls in a row).

Since there wasnt a lot cross conference play....

So...
Play ur conference. Win lose ordraw. That what you have.

Oklahoma record has stood a long time. Regardless of fiddling with who...when or whatever...its incredible

I gotta bring up your frustration with our schedule due to the teams we were getting at home for a number of years. Telling me you wouldn't be pissed if we played ten teams under .500? Or would you thump your chest about being 10-2 in those games?

 

[TerryP]

Play ur conference. Win lose ordraw. That what you have.

And that's the exact case with Clemson. Literally, exact case.

I used OU as an example mentioning it's impressive. I can say the same thing about a part of what happened at Clemson.

Now, I may get some of this wrong. It's memory. I'm high.

In 2017 Bama beat Clemson in the Sugar. It was one of 14 games Bama played that season. Vandy was the old Vandy while Tennessee and Arkansas were in their slumps. Those three teams had losing records in '17. There were few teams that were a game or two over .500. I'm thinking four 10 win teams.

Clemson that season? The beat Auburn to start that season and won against UofSC at the end. Both of those schools won 10 and 9 games that season. They beat a 10 win Miami. They had two or three teams with losing records, The Citadel, and your 7 and 8's. A solid schedule.

I mentioned 2020 off the rip. There's a difference between Clemson then and Clemson now.

 

[Justneedme81]

 

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