At the level of pay that Saban is at, the result is what counts, not the effort, just the result.
🏈 Saban vs. Shula
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At the level of pay that Saban is at, the result is what counts, not the effort, just the result.
I took the heat with you is the only reason I remember it
If I may, Saban has said exactly the opposite of that all year. The result is just a result. There's a difference in studying to pass a test and studying to learn. The goal should be doing everything to the best of your ability at all times. Dedicate yourself to the process and the results work themselves out.
Auburn beat Alabama not so much because they made more plays but because they made fewer mental mistakes.
D.A., good to hear from you. We've missed your keen insight. I'm glad you finally got the dialup working again down in Smith's Station.
Keep up the good work, buddy. I'm getting weary of all of these sunshine pumpers. It's this type of entertainment that will allow me the patience to wait for the premier of Bama Belles on TLC December 5 at 9pm. Bama Belles is exploring a group of women, a city (Dothan) and a life that viewers will really connect to, taking a real look at the southern lifestyle of these women in a relatable and fun way."
Keep up the good work, buddy. I'm getting weary of all of these sunshine pumpers. It's this type of entertainment that will allow me the patience to wait for the premier of Bama Belles on TLC December 5 at 9pm. Bama Belles is exploring a group of women, a city (Dothan) and a life that viewers will really connect to, taking a real look at the southern lifestyle of these women in a relatable and fun way."
A fellow alumnus and friend responded to my comparison, and I thought it was worth passing along. He told me someone on scout wrote a blog about my post, but I can't find it...
..the Saban/Shula blog post is definitely a thought provoking one, I believe that post was on scout.com. I remember defending Bama's 9-0 start with a prev Orlando neighbor back in 2005, but found out later that we had a cake walk of a schedule. I still question Saban's ability to put together an offense that can play 4-quarters against tough teams and have about 15 quick-pass plays down-pat, since McElroy is not quick and has a mediocre arm. Once Saban get’s about a 2 touchdown lead, decent opponents put 8 in the box and shut down the run…dare us to pass. Shula’s 2006 results (6-7) were not exactly the same as Saban’s 2007 (7-6). Shula’s players had nicknamed him ‘Softy’…not a Saban trait. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o
I took a few minutes to look into this...this blog writer is way-off on most of his facts...<o
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In 2005: <o
-only 6 Bama opponents were bowl eligible, only 6 SEC teams were bowl eligible, only 3 SEC teams had a strength of schedule ranking in the top 30. I pasted a summary of our ’05 opponents’ records and bowl results. In ’05 season bowl games, only 1 SEC team beat a team with more than 7 wins. <o
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In 2010:<o
-8 Bama opponents are bowl eligible, Scout.com projects 10 SEC teams going to bowls this year. Most amazing fact is that 9 SEC teams this year have a strength of schedule ranking in the top 30. <o
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2005 Opponents:<o
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-LSU(11-2) beat Miami(9-3) in the Chick-fil-a Bowl<o
-Auburn(9-3) got kicked by Wisconsin(10-3) in the Capital One bowl<o
-Fla(9-3) barely beat Iowa(7-5) in the Outback bowl<o
-S Car(7-5) lost to Mizzou(7-5) in the Independence bowl<o
-TX Tech(9-3) lost to Bama in the last 5 seconds by a field goal in the Cotton.<o
-Southern Miss(7-5) beat Arkansas State in the ‘NOLA bowl<o
-Tennessee(5-6) was weak and not bowl eligible<o
-Arkansas(4-7) not bowl eligible<o
-Middle Tenn State(4-7) not bowl eligible<o
-Miss State(3-8) not bowl eligible<o
-Ole Miss(3-8) not bowl eligible<o
-Utah State(3-8) not bowl eligible<o
My initial thoughts exactly! :lol:
All we are need is that "profusely-bleeding-head-banging-against-the-computer" avatar . . .
Gosh, I don't miss those days a bit, except for all the "souses" and Randy's air-traffic reports . . .
C
CrimsonPirate
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This echos my sentiment as well.
I'm the sentimental type myself...
As they say in the movies, "Play it again, Tim."
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Going back to the original purpose of this post tho: has anyone taken a step back and tried to look at Saban very objectively to see that over the past year or so (and this is off the top of my head so don't slit my throat if I'm off on the numbers, tho I shouldnt be considering I know I've got the right numbers at LEAST) he has done:
2 Movies, one of which he was really just an extra (Blind Side) and one was ABOUT HIM (The Gamechanger)
3 Gameday Commercials (Little Debbies, Herbstreet audition, and "Championship ring got in the way, Mack Brown")
1 Television show
I may be wrong, and I don't doubt Saban's ability as a coach whatsoever, but, coming from a man who makes it his first priority to be the hardest working, most intense head football coach in the country, it just seems like he's become a lot more commercialized lately-- I'm not saying it has it gone to his proverbial head, per se, but he didn't use to be the flashy, in the spotlight kind of coach he has become...
2 Movies, one of which he was really just an extra (Blind Side) and one was ABOUT HIM (The Gamechanger)
3 Gameday Commercials (Little Debbies, Herbstreet audition, and "Championship ring got in the way, Mack Brown")
1 Television show
I may be wrong, and I don't doubt Saban's ability as a coach whatsoever, but, coming from a man who makes it his first priority to be the hardest working, most intense head football coach in the country, it just seems like he's become a lot more commercialized lately-- I'm not saying it has it gone to his proverbial head, per se, but he didn't use to be the flashy, in the spotlight kind of coach he has become...
Shula.......0 National Championships,0 SEC Championships, Having Special Teams Kick a FieldGoal on 3rd down?..(WTF!), 1 10-2 season. and with the NCAA Textbook BullSh!t having to vacate wins from the football program making him the LOSINGEST Coach in Bama history (Not his doings but oh well.)
Saban......@ Bama..! 1 National Championship, 2 Trips to the SEC Championship Game with 1 SEC Championship win, 2 stright 12 win seasons, (thats More than Shula did!)
And the winner in the Saban Vs. Shula Thread is........(DRUM ROLL)............................................COACH NICK SABAN!!:td:
Now what kind of fan base does it look like with a Thread like this on our forum?
to me it doesnt look to good and i'm willing to bet it doesnt look good to other team fans that drop in to see something like this.
just one 9-3 season and people flip out. are Fla. Fans compairing the Old ball coach and Meyers due to their season?
Saban......@ Bama..! 1 National Championship, 2 Trips to the SEC Championship Game with 1 SEC Championship win, 2 stright 12 win seasons, (thats More than Shula did!)
And the winner in the Saban Vs. Shula Thread is........(DRUM ROLL)............................................COACH NICK SABAN!!:td:
Now what kind of fan base does it look like with a Thread like this on our forum?
to me it doesnt look to good and i'm willing to bet it doesnt look good to other team fans that drop in to see something like this.
just one 9-3 season and people flip out. are Fla. Fans compairing the Old ball coach and Meyers due to their season?
Agree with you on everything but the FL. fans argument... that would be a legitimate (and very interesting) argument...
Saban started with a much better situation than Shula. It doesn't matter. I'm not trying to make the argument that Shula is as good as Saban. I am trying to make the argument that Saban has slouched towards mediocracy this year.
However, you miss my point. This is not about 9-3. I expected and predicted a couple of losses this season due to such a tough schedule. My point is that for a quarter and a half, a more talented Bama team demonstrated they were capable of blowing Auburn right out of the stadium. Then they turned into an undisciplined poorly coached football team in the second half. Saban took more talent and got seriously outcoached by Chizik. You can add Miles and Spurrier to that list too. Saban looked along the caliber of Dabo Swinney on Saturday, but Saban has more talent at his disposal. It was proven the team could perform at a much better level, and he has not had them perform at that level in at least 3 games this season. He should be catching a lot of heat for this. In fact, he should give some money back for the Auburn debacle.
Here's the thing, being a head coach involves multiple skill sets. You have to be a great recruiter, strategist, father figure/leader, and game day coach. Of those skills Saban is one of if not the best recruiter. He's an excellent strategist, few people can build a program that equals the one he built at LSU much less do it better at another school. And look at how prepared Alabama was at the outset of the Iron Bowl. Leadership is a tough thing to gauge from a distance but I don't see a ton of Alabama players dropping out and whining about him or getting in trouble off the field and his ex assistants swear by him.
As a game day coach.....he's just average.
He's not terrible he's just not one of the best. Expecting him to be something he's not, especially because of a knee jerk reaction to a loss against the #2 team in the country, isn't a valid criticism. He was an average game day coach when they hired him. He works his ass off to make sure his teams have more talent and are better prepared. The price for that is that he is occasionally out coached when he runs into a similarly talented and similarly disciplined team.
He's still about as complete a coach as you there is in college football. You guys should all be proud to have him.
You expect and predict they'll lose two games ("a couple") and they lose three, so then you think they are led by mediocre coaches. You predict two losses based on the strength of schedule, we lose to the strongest team on our schedule and you declare the football program is being led by mediocre coaches. Plus, since you're fixated on money, so you believe Saban should "return" a portion of his salary because Bama didn't win the aubrun game. Is that about right, Oh wonder of Smith's Station?
RTR,
Tim
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Ok Genius, so you proved you can read. I think you still missed my point.
Maybe you skipped this part...
My point is that for a quarter and a half, a more talented Bama team demonstrated they were capable of blowing Auburn right out of the stadium. Then they turned into an undisciplined poorly coached football team in the second half.
The answer to your question is YES.
Are you saying he did a good job as the head coach in the Auburn and South Carolina games?
Maybe you skipped this part...
My point is that for a quarter and a half, a more talented Bama team demonstrated they were capable of blowing Auburn right out of the stadium. Then they turned into an undisciplined poorly coached football team in the second half.
The answer to your question is YES.
Are you saying he did a good job as the head coach in the Auburn and South Carolina games?
Ok. You're saying Alabama is led by mediocre coaches. I know an analytical mind such as yours will not tolerate mediocrity (or mediocracy, for that matter), so who would be a good replacement for our mediocre head coach (other than Paul Johnson)? Since you're so concerned with the path of our slouching program, particularly since Saban inherited the program in such good shape, surely you have recommendations for a replacement.
What does the Oracle of Lee County suggest? Help us make this right.
C
CrimsonPirate
Saban hasn't "slouched toward mediocracy." Heck, he hasn't slouched toward mediocrity, either. Granted, Bama shouldn't have blown a 24-point lead against Auburn. However, if Saban is a mediocre coach, what does that make the majority of coaches across the nation? Would have loved a 12-0 season, but 9-3 ain't bad. And, a regular season 33-3 over 3 years is not what I call mediocre.
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