🏈 Saban vs. Shula

You guys are right and I'm wrong.:bow: I must be a complete idiot for being upset and thinking Saban got completely outcoached by Chizik, Miles, and Spurrier this year, even though Auburn and SC had less talent depth and he's paid much more. The halftime/second half coaching jobs for both the Auburn and South Carolina games this year was just awful. Surely, I can't be the only one on this board that feels this way.
 
dabaxter said:
You guys are right and I'm wrong.:bow: I must be a complete idiot for being upset and thinking Saban got completely outcoached by Chizik, Miles, and Spurrier this year, even though Auburn and SC had less talent depth and he's paid much more. The halftime/second half coaching jobs for both the Auburn and South Carolina games this year was just awful. Surely, I can't be the only one on this board that feels this way.
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I would find a new hobby, you're not very good at judging anything about football... So yes, based on your post you are a complete idiot.
 
The Problem is: Too many players on the Team have a National Championship ring. That is a players ultimate goal is to get one. The average player does not expect to get 2 or 3. The Players that are hungry or the new players who was not a part of the National Championship or did not play a key role. Purging out the majority of the lingering ring bearers will get a new hunger. Thats why it takes 3 to 4 years in today's highly competitive football to load up and make a run. Not next year but the year after we will be a contender again.
 
Dalton Tider said:
The Problem is: Too many players on the Team have a National Championship ring. That is a players ultimate goal is to get one. The average player does not expect to get 2 or 3. The Players that are hungry or the new players who was not a part of the National Championship or did not play a key role. Purging out the majority of the lingering ring bearers will get a new hunger. Thats why it takes 3 to 4 years in today's highly competitive football to load up and make a run. Not next year but the year after we will be a contender again.
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Agreed
 
dabaxter said:
You guys are right and I'm wrong.:bow: I must be a complete idiot for being upset and thinking Saban got completely outcoached by Chizik, Miles, and Spurrier this year, even though Auburn and SC had less talent depth and he's paid much more. The halftime/second half coaching jobs for both the Auburn and South Carolina games this year was just awful. Surely, I can't be the only one on this board that feels this way.
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Did you watch the Georgia Tech game last night? Seriously, you preferred Paul Johnson over Nick Saban. Saban has already won us a BCS title, an SEC title and if Bama wins it's bowl game, that will be 3 straight seasons with 10+ wins.

It's funny to me how you can't be found over the last 2 years when we won the BCS and SEC titles while losing only 2 games, but decide to grace us with your presence as soon as we lose 3 games in the same year. You're an idiot.
 
Argo said:
Did you watch the Georgia Tech game last night? Seriously, you preferred Paul Johnson over Nick Saban. Saban has already won us a BCS title, an SEC title and if Bama wins it's bowl game, that will be 3 straight seasons with 10+ wins.
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What does Paul Johnson have to do with the lack of results from Saban or the poor undiscipline, unconditioned performance from the team in the second half of the Auburn game? Based on what I saw during the second half of the Auburn and SC games, Saban would probably be a disaster at GT or Navy.
The only consolation for me is at least Saban appeared to be as disgusted on his show as I was after the game. Saban has done a great job recruiting and did a great job coaching last year. Has anyone forgotten the coaching job in the Utah game the year before? How about the 6-6 record and loss to Monroe his first season? This year the team has under performed. That's not a good coaching job. Do you honestly think that one of the highest paid coaches in college football doesn't deserve criticism for the second half of the Auburn and SC games? It's painfully obvious that the more talented teams were allowed to lose the SC and Auburn games. I'm not saying fire the guy, but he deserves some heat. It's the results that count.

If any of you think the coaching has been good this year, maybe you're the ones that can't judge football.

Folks, if the best thing you can come up with for a rebuttal is to call me an idiot, you're pitiful. Come up with some facts and grow up past the name calling. This calling for a ban just because someone wants to criticize Saban is pitiful too. :rofl:

...No intellectual argument, just name calling and whining about banning. Please tell me why Saban did a good coaching job this year, especially the SC and Auburn games...
 
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dabaxter said:
What does Paul Johnson have to do with the lack of results from Saban or the poor undiscipline, unconditioned performance from the team in the second half of the Auburn game? Based on what I saw during the second half of the Auburn and SC games, Saban would probably be a disaster at GT or Navy.
The only consolation for me is at least Saban appeared to be as disgusted on his show as I was after the game. Saban has done a great job recruiting and did a great job coaching last year. Has anyone forgotten the coaching job in the Utah game the year before? How about the 6-6 record and loss to Monroe his first season? This year the team has under performed. That's not a good coaching job. Do you honestly think that one of the highest paid coaches in college football doesn't deserve criticism for the second half of the Auburn and SC games? It's painfully obvious that the more talented teams were allowed to lose the SC and Auburn games. I'm not saying fire the guy, but he deserves some heat. It's the results that count.

If any of you think the coaching has been good this year, maybe you're the ones that can't judge football.

Folks, if the best thing you can come up with for a rebuttal is to call me an idiot, you're pitiful. Come up with some facts and grow up past the name calling. This calling for a ban just because someone wants to criticize Saban is pitiful too. :rofl:

...No intellectual argument, just name calling and whining about banning. Please tell me why Saban did a good coaching job this year, especially the SC and Auburn games...
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Intellectual argument? You're trying to compare Shula to Saban, of course there's no intellectual arguement! You have absolutely NO ground to stand on in that opinion no matter how many "facts" you think you're giving us. We're calling you an idiot because you're posting like an idiot.
 
Is this the guy that used to call Finebaum all of the time saying that we needed to keep Shula? As far as the 07 season went, Saban was 6-2 before having to suspend 5-6 players for "textbookgate" remember? He had to deal with several of Shula's players that were all about them and not about the team concept. Anyone taking the program over that year would've been thrilled with a 7-6 record. is Saban perfect, no! Are you a coach? Doubt it!! I coached for 13 years and not a day went by that I didn't second guess some of my "own" decisions about play calling or substitutions. It happens! Deal with it and move on!!
 
Maybe I can spell it out for you in short words.

Mike Shula could not recruit. He was weak on discipline. He was weak on conditioning. Off season work outs were optional.If he had coached at Alabama 100 years he would not have won an NC. He turned the success of 2005 into the mediocrity of 2006 and 2007. He got more time than he should have because he is one of our own, but he was miserbly unsuited to be a head coach.

Now head on back to your barner board.
 
I love how everybody is out to say how crappy Shula was at everything NOW!!!!

TO Dabaxters credit he was on the fire Shula bandwagon long before it became fashionable (if memory serves correctly)
 
Well put Joe!! That was the only reason Shula was given longer was because he was one of our own. His discipline was weak wristed, conditioning was a joke, and he didn't recruit well enough to build from 05.
 
The bottom line is.... Saban can chew ass, plead and beg, coach til he's blue in the face...if the players do not execute you get the results you got Friday in the 2nd half. I personally am most disappointed in Trent this season. In most games he just does not seem like he wants to even be on the field. The half jog on the kick returns drives me crazy. The halfass effort on the dropped td pass...he just seems like "oh well". Maybe I'm wrong:headscratch:
 
Kozlowski said:
Saban would grade out to D-- on this years coaching IMO.
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I'd probably give him a C, but definitely not the coaching job he did in 2009. Some bad luck thrown in, with Dareus and Upshaw being sub par much of the season due to injuries, but even in game 12, when new starters should be pretty seasoned, the secondary was still blowing coverages. The man himself coaches the DBs.
 

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