🏈 Saban back in play for Texas? The word on the street from Austin.

[rocknthefreeworld]

After multiple pages in the first thread and now multiple pages in this one, can we agree to let the poor Bovine from Tejas go home to wallow in his Saban-less misery with no further discussion?

 

[bamafan4ever]

Attention Old Timer from Texas:

OTFT,

Do me a favor. I actually took you seriously yesterday as far as being sadly misled but believing the drivel you were being fed. Today, you have graduated to Texas nutburger in my book. I am curious if other Texas fans would be embarrassed by what you are posting here so do me a favor, copy this link and post it on your local, favorite Steer forum.

http://www.rolltidebama.com/forum/s...-for-Texas-The-word-on-the-street-from-Austin

I want to know their opinion on what you are spouting off over here. Will they call you delusional or will they agree? I have got to see if you are walking the "company line" or just simply standing on your own opinion. Please, please, please.........

 

[JoshB]

Im pretty confident he isnt in the minority with that fan base...

 

[bcracker]

Hey old timer, why ain't y'all clamoring for the Gus Bus?

 

[bama alum]

Hey old timer, why ain't y'all clamoring for the Gus Bus?

Word on the streets in Austin...Is that new word that Kristie Malzahn has been spotted in Austin shopping for double wides?

 

[bamafan4ever]

Im pretty confident he isnt in the minority with that fan base...

I don't know dude. He's coming off as rat shit crazy. The other Texas fan that I have been debating this year thinks Saban is "scum" and didn't want him but fully believed they would get Mike Tomlin or Harbaugh. :crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

 

[BAMA JAMMA]

Can we just ban this UTroll already? I think CC has moved to Austin.

 

[Old Timer from TX]

I'm not sure how to respond to this public outing of a recent post I made on this forum. In the interests of fairness, I will try to address the issues that I think you might have regarding my post. Link: http://www.rolltidebama.com/forum/s...-for-Texas-The-word-on-the-street-from-Austin

When you question whether or not I am walking the "company line", I can absolutely assure you that I am not walking any company line whether that be the agenda held by the company (Texas Football), if that is what you mean by company. If what you mean by "company" is the fan perspective (Common Texas Football Fan). I can assure you that I don't walk that company line either. What I am saying is this... My thoughts and opinions are my own. I fight my own battles. And the words that have been written are my own thoughts, opinions, and beliefs. Surely, there are other Texas fans that share my views, but I make no declaration that my opinions are the same opinions held by my friends and neighbors. In summation, I hope that you understand that these words I have written are the sole responsibility of myself.

To address what I think is your other issue / question, I will reference the other post that I have made proposing the question is "Saban back in play for Texas? The word on the street from Austin". In the post in question, I wonder aloud if Saban is still a distinct possibility for the head coaching position at Texas. And I offer my own opinion on my and other Texas fans reaction from Austin, TX. By no means is this a widespread generalized view on the majority of fan reaction in Austin. This opinion is purely based on my own observations and interpretations on what I think is the general consensus of fan reaction from Austin, TX.

If I were to have to sum up what I think is the majority feeling of most fans in Austin, I would state that first and foremost... Fans in Austin are happy that change is coming and that Mack Brown has resigned. Secondly, Longhorn Fans still want, and believe, that Nick Saban is a possible coaching candidate. These statements say nothing of the fact that many, many other coaches are now being looked at as possible candidates, especially now that it is official that Mack Brown will resign following the bowl game.

Does this answer your questions / concerns?

 

[Old Timer from TX]

My thoughts on it goes like this why after watching what has gone on behind Mack's back would any coach worth anything want to jump in the middle of that dumpster fire that is texas ,I mean come on now get real your fan base is so full of themselves its
not even funny.:rofl::blah_1_many2::moon3::beer-me:

You want to know why any coaching candidate would even consider the "dumpster fire that is Texas"? Well, "dumpster fire" is a fairly harsh term, don't you think? Granted things are a little bit of a soap opera and even I did not think this thing would drag out as long as it has. Now, that Mack has announced his resignation, I really think all this media attention and speculation is going to blow over in the next day or two.

I understand the perception from sports fans outside of Texas viewing our big money donors are completely meddling and interfering in the football program. And I understand that may be a big downside for whomever takes the Texas job eventually. The hope is that the good-old-boy country club culture of Texas Football can change with the hiring of a no-excuses, results driven, type-of-coach. A coach like Nick Saban would do wonders at Texas. A lot of Texas fans hope that Texas gets a tough nosed coach. Saban just so happens to be one of the toughest, and that would be a panacea to Texas' "dumpster fire", if you want to call it that.

 

[Old Timer from TX]

Hey old timer, why ain't y'all clamoring for the Gus Bus?

I think by "Gus Bus" you are referring to Gus Malzahn. I, and probably many Longhorn fans, would be happy with that choice. Not strictly my first choice, but if we end up with Malzahn, I would be quite pleased. He's a great, young, up-and-coming coach.

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

Word on the streets in Austin...Is that new word that Kristie Malzahn has been spotted in Austin shopping for double wides?

If you had said vetting churches, I would have totally believed you.

 

[Kirk Van de Graaff]

Maybe this is just me, but I think it would show a lack of dignity on the part of the Texas program to attempt to initiate a "bidding war" by shoving a gazillion dollars in Saban's face. I also think it would show an equal lack of dignity on the part of the Alabama program to respond by taking part.

If the Longhorns want to appear like those circus clowns on "Storage Wars" over a man who is, last time I checked, NOT Jesus Christ Son of God, more power to them...but I'd be ashamed if I was a Texas fan. And as much as I've been proud all these years to have Nick Saban as the Crimson Tide coach, as much I've wallowed in the success he's brought our program, if he DID decide to play that kind of game, then quite frankly I'd feel the time had come to let him go and move on. I wouldn't care for what it said about him. A raise is one thing, everybody wants a raise right? Sure they do. But there's always a limit in any situation, and this one has a limit for me.

Just my one cent. Roll Tide, no matter who our coach is, winning or losing: Roll Tide.

Well thought out and solid post. Bravo.

 

[jdpas29]

i don't have much to say on this topic except that Texas football has, for most of my life, wallowed in mediocrity and sorriness... inexplicably and amazingly so given the area in which they have to recruit, $$$, fan base, etc.

Mack Brown has defied the odds in losing as many games as he has over the last 10 years. I'm sure he loves Texas. I love fried chicken, but that doesn't mean it's my right to have it.

 

[TerryP]

I think, and I could be wrong, that Old Timer is just a friendly guy that prefers to talk to opposing fans rather than just interact with UT fans. It doesn't really seem like trolling. He's not been insulting, hasn't really responded aggressively to insults hurled towards him, and seems to stay on point for the most part. It could be argued that his "on point" is annoying to members of this forum but there is no rule that says you have to read to or reply to every single thread.

I have no doubt that the word on the street in Austin is that Saban is back in play. It doesn't mean it's true. It just means that a rabid fan base, with a mentality that you can't really understand until you've experienced it, thinks it is true.

Texas fans make the unrealistic expectations of Auburn and Alabama fans look tame. (not that all expectations from any of our fan bases are always unreasonable but we all know that they sometimes are.) The superiority of Texas to every other state is ingrained in Texans for their entire childhood. To them, and to many other people without ties to either place, Texas is a much better job than Alabama. It does not appear Saban is one of those people.

I agree with fosh here...there's nothing he's posted here that has stepped on any nerves of mine.

I'm coming back to this thread in a couple of hours with one last series of thoughts...don't know how it'll be accepted by you, Old Timer, but I can assure you it's going to do the same thing you've done here: share the feelings and thoughts from those in Tuscaloosa.

One big difference. These coming points aren't going to be things heard on sports radio, posted on a blog or by a beat reporter, or from the world of message forums.

 

[Old Timer from TX]

I agree with fosh here...there's nothing he's posted here that has stepped on any nerves of mine.

I'm coming back to this thread in a couple of hours with one last series of thoughts...don't know how it'll be accepted by you, Old Timer, but I can assure you it's going to do the same thing you've done here: share the feelings and thoughts from those in Tuscaloosa.

One big difference. These coming points aren't going to be things heard on sports radio, posted on a blog or by a beat reporter, or from the world of message forums.

Even through all of the criticism of my thoughts on the Texas pursuit of Saban, I've never much taken things personally. I understand how Alabama fans might feel that a content and happy man, like Nick Saban, is so publicly courted by Texas. And I can appreciate the thought that public officials from Texas probably lacked a lot of tact and discretion when the first a ESPN story broke about that Texas Regents did communicate with Saban via Jimmy Sexton.

I just want to reiterate to Alabama fans that we, Txas fans, have no hate or even any issue at all with your fanbase and I would hope that you might understand that we don't come from a position where ill-intent is directed towards the Alabama fanbase either. We respect and admire what Nick Saban has done in football and many Texas fans only want to have some of the same success that Alabama has experienced lately. We just feel like Nick Saban could really help us alot.

i am very much accepting of hearing differing perspectives from others on the issues of Texas pursuing Nick Saban so relentlessly. And I appreciate anybody's perspectives on these current talking points.

 

[cjaytch]

Whats really funny is, I have an LSU fan in my office. He is constantly telling the Bama fans about the latest spotting of Terry Saban in Texas or emailing links to plane tracking sites or some Longhorn/AU/LSU site where someone has posted the latest "proof" that Saban is indeed taking the Texas job.

Its just hilarious watching fans of other SEC schools hoping, praying that its true.....

 

[bamaraider]

Maybe this is just me, but I think it would show a lack of dignity on the part of the Texas program to attempt to initiate a "bidding war" by shoving a gazillion dollars in Saban's face. I also think it would show an equal lack of dignity on the part of the Alabama program to respond by taking part.

If the Longhorns want to appear like those circus clowns on "Storage Wars" over a man who is, last time I checked, NOT Jesus Christ Son of God, more power to them...but I'd be ashamed if I was a Texas fan. And as much as I've been proud all these years to have Nick Saban as the Crimson Tide coach, as much I've wallowed in the success he's brought our program, if he DID decide to play that kind of game, then quite frankly I'd feel the time had come to let him go and move on. I wouldn't care for what it said about him. A raise is one thing, everybody wants a raise right? Sure they do. But there's always a limit in any situation, and this one has a limit for me.

Just my one cent. Roll Tide, no matter who our coach is, winning or losing: Roll Tide.

Hell of a 1st post. Please, post more.

 

[bamaraider]

My sources say that Saban went with some Texas man to South Congress Cafe and had an omelet, hash browns, pancakes, and a small glass of milk. No reports yet if he enjoyed it.

 

[bama alum]

I think by "Gus Bus" you are referring to Gus Malzahn. I, and probably many Longhorn fans, would be happy with that choice. Not strictly my first choice, but if we end up with Malzahn, I would be quite pleased. He's a great, young, up-and-coming coach.

No, I don't think you will be. You guys have done nothing but raise holy hell about defensive coordinators since Muschamp left (rightly so). That won't change under a coach who fully believes the best game plan is to outscore the other team.

 

[TerryP]

Hey guys. Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just reporting how the people feel in Austin. If you don't believe me, just check any one of our Longhorn forums. I've actually said that I don't know if Saban is truly back in play for Texas or not. I really don't know. People have been emailing me as if I know something. If I did, I would just say so. I don't though. I'm just speculating that Saban might be back in play for Texas. That's all. I mean, I'm not hiding my true feelings or allegiances on this. If Saban is indeed back in play for Texas, then I won't lie. I'd be extremely happy.

All I was doing is telling you guys what the scene is like in Austin. People still want Saban. Mostly, we are just happy to be rid of Mack. And we'll be happy to have another coach not named Saban. Who knows? I'll keep my ear to the ground and maybe something will be reported in a few days to see if Saban is still to be pursued by Texas or not.

Here's where I see your major issue—and the point you're completely missing.

Saying there's a sense of wonder if Saban is back in play is making an assumption that Saban was even in play. He wasn't—never has been.

There is one person that's been in play and, like I pointed to earlier, he was brought into this whole story by a guy who didn't have the authority to do so in the first place: Hicks. After that original contact back in the late winter of this year I knew Texas had plans on making a run at Saban. He said, 10 months ago, that he had no interest. With some he's literally laughed at the notion. Not figuratively, literally.

There a notion that Sexton used Texas to get another contract (specifically a raise) for Saban. Again, that's not the case. Texas was nothing more than window dressing (for lack of a better expression.) The new contract was coming at the end of this season regardless. The raise was coming as well.

Texas has impacted what Sexton has done this season; no doubt. It'll continue to do so with people pointing to Malzahn and Fisher (just to name two) who happened to be clients of Sexton as well.

I could go on with example after example of how you and your fellow fan base have been deceived: by the very beat writers and site owners that cover Texas as a business and as fans.

One of the most ironic storylines here has been the suggestion that Texas would help Saban recoup some of the investments he's been involved with...when one of my best (forgive this use of the term, I hate it) sources for Saban is one of those very investment partners.

In closing, let me put this as clearly as I can.

Texas can't "get back in the game" with Saban when Texas never was a part of the game in the first place.

I suspect, almost to the point of a willingness to bet, you'll continue playing one game: Sexton's.

How can Oklahoma claim great football, but not Texas. Yes, I understand in recent years OU and Bob Stoops has owned Texas and Mack Brown, but if we are talking the last 100 years or so then it would be remiss not to know that Texas has owned OU over that time period. I think the series is like 60-40 in favor of Texas. Anyway, I don't even care about all those wins before my time. And yes, I'm already pretty old so, as a sports fan, I really only care about what has been going on lately.

There are several of us here who have dealt, or deal with daily, OU fans. One of the things I've found interesting from their fan base is how they characterize football and traditions as something that started with the advent of the AP poll.

Considering almost a third of those 60 wins came before the AP poll, I understand their limited perspective a little more clearly.

As much as people love Nick Saban in Alabama, there is always the agent that makes things happen. And that agent is Jimmy Sexton. He's the one that made this happen for Alabama. And if I am not mistaken, he's the one who got the deal to bring Saban to Alabama from Miami. That was a huge coup. However, as much as he is probably a big Alabama fan, his best interests lie with his client, Nick Saban.

Sexton was able to leverage the desire of Texas to get Saban into a new contract extension for Nick Saban. $7 million per year is a lot of money and certainly nothing anyone, even Texas fans, would turn their nose up at. That money is most definitely well-deserved by the man many consider to be the greatest current coach in college football, and one of the greatest all-time.

You want to know why any coaching candidate would even consider the "dumpster fire that is Texas"? Well, "dumpster fire" is a fairly harsh term, don't you think? Granted things are a little bit of a soap opera and even I did not think this thing would drag out as long as it has. Now, that Mack has announced his resignation, I really think all this media attention and speculation is going to blow over in the next day or two.

I understand the perception from sports fans outside of Texas viewing our big money donors are completely meddling and interfering in the football program. And I understand that may be a big downside for whomever takes the Texas job eventually. The hope is that the good-old-boy country club culture of Texas Football can change with the hiring of a no-excuses, results driven, type-of-coach. A coach like Nick Saban would do wonders at Texas. A lot of Texas fans hope that Texas gets a tough nosed coach. Saban just so happens to be one of the toughest, and that would be a panacea to Texas' "dumpster fire", if you want to call it that.

An Alabama fan looking at Texas and calling it a dumpster fire isn't harsh. It's calling a spade a spade.

I've listed a few reasons why the situation in Austin was a cluster-****. Dumpster fire. Cluster-****. Neither are harsh. Both are situations where we've experienced the same thing and recognize it; clearly.

Even through all of the criticism of my thoughts on the Texas pursuit of Saban, I've never much taken things personally. I understand how Alabama fans might feel that a content and happy man, like Nick Saban, is so publicly courted by Texas. And I can appreciate the thought that public officials from Texas probably lacked a lot of tact and discretion when the first a ESPN story broke about that Texas Regents did communicate with Saban via Jimmy Sexton.

I just want to reiterate to Alabama fans that we, Txas fans, have no hate or even any issue at all with your fanbase and I would hope that you might understand that we don't come from a position where ill-intent is directed towards the Alabama fanbase either. We respect and admire what Nick Saban has done in football and many Texas fans only want to have some of the same success that Alabama has experienced lately. We just feel like Nick Saban could really help us alot.

i am very much accepting of hearing differing perspectives from others on the issues of Texas pursuing Nick Saban so relentlessly. And I appreciate anybody's perspectives on these current talking points.

FWIW, by no means do I want to come across as "shooting the messenger."

Deconstructing the platform so many Longhorn fans are standing on? Yes. I'll admit to that. The thing is I'm not making things up.