🏈 "Regardless of pro readiness, there won’t be 10 guys at the combine who, pound for pound, test better overall than Milroe."

 

[TerryP]

You can't continue to negate multiple points of view and dismiss people outside the program as well as those in the trenches with the guy.

I can point to history. And, it tells us that scouts and GM's look at potential with every combine, every workout, and every interview. By saying the NFL draft it littered with examples isn't hyperbole: it is an understatement. We see it with QB's every year, every draft. (The most recent draft with Bama fans undivided attention? Where would Mac end up and the story revolving around San Fran. That was a draft choice based on potential.)

Re-read what's been posted here. He is going to grade out well. That matters with the guys in the league. His biggest issues, as Bran pointed out, is the X and O's interviews. Is he going to have a "mind blank" there?

 

[TerryP]

I think we have a number of situations in play here... Here's 3 of them, IMO...

1- Fans think he sucks, they don't like him, and they are wishcasting that he doesn't get drafted because that will make them feel good.

2- Fans think he sucks, are mostly indifferent on him, but they've been talking openly for a while to everyone about how much he sucks. And seeing him get drafted early would undercut that line of thought that they are dug into. They are scared they are gonna look foolish.

3- Some people are equating a high draft selection with guaranteed NFL success, which isn't the case at all. But they think the 2 are married.

Wow … really? That’s your take on those who criticize Milroe? By the way, the implications of 1,2 and 3 are the same no matter how you shuffle the words.

This opinion has nothing to do with my "relationship/friendship" with Brandon. I do, however, agree with what he poses here.

Over the many years I've shared my opinion I can point to two things where I've never changed: efficiency and turnovers.

How often have I mentioned the QB and TD/INT ratios? How often have I mentioned ball control over the years? A LOT! So, when it comes to Jalen I've plenty of reason to be ticked off at his performance from my fans seat. However, to say "he's awful. He sucks?" Yeah, ain't gonna happen because it isn't true.

IF fans are saying such? There's more to it than a handful of bad games over the last two years. Logic just says, "that's the case."

Wish casting: I just saw that with Hurts. I'm seeing it now with Milroe. Am I supposed to believe what I see, what I hear, what I read or do I choose to believe those who say, "No. I'm not." Ironically, just like Jalen's time at UA...I can't point to things and say, "that exists" because I see it happening.

We still have fans saying "he's a one read, run guy" when that's clearly not the case. That's a large part of their "dislike" and it's based on something that doesn't exist.

16/11 from 23/6 isn't lost on me. A half of a dozen of those 11 ...

 

[Slickmullet]

Milroe, for all the bad stuff he has put on film, has a lot of good film out there also.

A pure guess, but I would imagine Milroe will run a sub 4.5 40 at the combine.

Kid has a strong arm, good attitude and is well spoken.

He’s going to get drafted, and probably early.

He does not look sub 4.5 to me on the field. I’m thinking he’s a 4.55-4.6.

I personally wouldn’t draft him at all. He has a track record of mental errors and has proven he is not a good QB. Bill O Brian was dead on about LANK.

 

[Kamikazi18627]

Milroe, for all the bad stuff he has put on film, has a lot of good film out there also.

A pure guess, but I would imagine Milroe will run a sub 4.5 40 at the combine.

Kid has a strong arm, good attitude and is well spoken.

He’s going to get drafted, and probably early.

4.5 easy

I think he’s faster than that really.

You’re right. He’ll get drafted and drafted early if he decides to go. His combine numbers will be ridiculous.

 

[TerryP]

He has a track record of mental errors and has proven he is not a good QB.

Here's something to ponder.

Since we've been watching Jalen at the helm ...

Just over 107 FBS QB's average over the last two season.
In '23, roughly 30 percent through double digit interceptions.

Of that 30 percent, one QB is a well known name and he's an expected second rounder in the draft. Haynes King.

Jalen isn't that much different in that regard; King pales (pun, eheheh) in comparison when it comes to the mobile aspect of the position.

And people think they won't take a chance with Milroe?

"But King is a passer!"

...making a lot of mental errors.

 

[musso]

Wow. This thread reminds me of that Key & Peel sketch where they are texting back and forth as one of them gradually gets angrier. When they finally meet up the angry one shows up with a weapon of some sort while the other one is chill as can be lolol.

 

[Rolltide24]

This opinion has nothing to do with my "relationship/friendship" with Brandon. I do, however, agree with what he poses here.

Over the many years I've shared my opinion I can point to two things where I've never changed: efficiency and turnovers.

How often have I mentioned the QB and TD/INT ratios? How often have I mentioned ball control over the years? A LOT! So, when it comes to Jalen I've plenty of reason to be ticked off at his performance from my fans seat. However, to say "he's awful. He sucks?" Yeah, ain't gonna happen because it isn't true.

IF fans are saying such? There's more to it than a handful of bad games over the last two years. Logic just says, "that's the case."

Wish casting: I just saw that with Hurts. I'm seeing it now with Milroe. Am I supposed to believe what I see, what I hear, what I read or do I choose to believe those who say, "No. I'm not." Ironically, just like Jalen's time at UA...I can't point to things and say, "that exists" because I see it happening.

We still have fans saying "he's a one read, run guy" when that's clearly not the case. That's a large part of their "dislike" and it's based on something that doesn't exist.

16/11 from 23/6 isn't lost on me. A half of a dozen of those 11 ...

Don’t forget the 8 or 9 lost fumbles on the season. If we talk 19 or 20 turnovers to 35 TD’s, that’s a poor ratio.

You suggesting 6 of the INT’s were not his fault?

 

[musso]

Terry went from predicting Milroe would be among the Heisman finalists in New York to…

we all know he's isn't awful.

I’m trying to figure out if Terry let me down more this season than Bama let Terry down.

 

[OldPlayer]

Here’s something that’s interesting

 

[TerryP]

Don’t forget the 8 or 9 lost fumbles on the season. If we talk 19 or 20 turnovers to 35 TD’s, that’s a poor ratio.

You suggesting 6 of the INT’s were not his fault?

Turnovers includes fumbles. I stand by two things, "efficiency and turnovers." I mentioned TD/INT as part of the response.

Yes, and no. I'm not suggesting they weren't his fault. I'm stating all of them weren't his fault. It's never the case, hasn't been, and won't be in the future. You can't lay all INT's at the feet of the QB. We've seen bad routes, tipped ball INT's, etc., for our lifetimes.

 

[Justneedme81]

Here’s something that’s interesting

He has been doing that since last year. This is on the coaches... I believe and I might be wrong, another QB in sec is doing same thing. I can't remember. Every team has a player that are tipping off play, it just someone has to catch that.

 

[BamaFan334]

I can point to history. And, it tells us that scouts and GM's look at potential with every combine, every workout, and every interview. By saying the NFL draft it littered with examples isn't hyperbole: it is an understatement. We see it with QB's every year, every draft. (The most recent draft with Bama fans undivided attention? Where would Mac end up and the story revolving around San Fran. That was a draft choice based on potential.)

Re-read what's been posted here. He is going to grade out well. That matters with the guys in the league. His biggest issues, as Bran pointed out, is the X and O's interviews. Is he going to have a "mind blank" there?

One...again,...never...have...I...ever...said...he...shouldn't...be...drafted. I simply said he's not a first or second round pick. Yes, the NFL Draft has shown a continuous history of absolute shitty decision making. There is no denying that as it's a fact. More GM's lose their jobs because of the mentality you just described than either of us can count.

Jalen Milroe is a good human being and will make every GM happy that he shakes hands with by his personable skills. Heck, I'd love to chat with him right now myself as I would enjoy it. All of that being said, the NFL will not be kind to him, and I think he will run out of chances before he is able to grasp it all and make it work for him. Jalen is now being compared to Jalen Hurts and what he has accomplished. Jalen Hurts still struggles throwing the ball. Even with two absolute stud receivers he has struggled. He can run and that's where he has made his hay. The difference is, Jalen Hurts is as cool as a cucumber, very intelligent, and has the confidence even when he struggles and finds a way. Very rarely do you see him freak out and make terrible decisions. The same cannot be said for Milroe.

Grading out well is terrific, but quarterbacks that run 4.5 are almost a dime a dozen these days. The film on him is not kind. He will be a decent backup quarterback that can shock defenses here and there, until they get tape and can study him and then he'll struggle. I hope I am wrong and will gladly take every lashing from you and others if I am.

 

[BamaFan334]

You can't lay all INT's at the feet of the QB. We've seen bad routes, tipped ball INT's, etc., for our lifetimes.

Ha, how many balls have the receivers saved him on? He throws like Matt Ryan did on the back end of his career. Julio and Ridley having to come back for balls underthrown and making circus catches because Ryan couldn't get the ball to them. Williams and Bernard saved Milroe's tail more times than Milroe threw them open. Can't blame Milroe for those interceptions, then we take into consideration how many balls they saved him on. Curious on his pocket presence time as well when he was sacked. Willing to bed my truck he sat in the pocket double the average NFL time it takes to get a sack.

 

[bamafan4ever]

I hate to draw a comparison because at least the AR analogy was modern and maybe more relatable to most here but Jalen reminds me a lot of Quincy Carter when he was with UGA. He ended up a 2nd round pick by Dallas but after an injury-riddled Junior season. Had ALL of the physical attributes and Jerry Jones pushed hard for him as the heir apparent to Troy Aikman. So yeah, I could easily see him being a pet project for someone like Jerry Jones in the league and for his sake, I hope he makes the very best of it because he is a great kid from what I can tell.

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

Nothing of significance had changed re: Milroe's stock going into yesterday, and a bowl game isn't going to move the needle much either, if at all. What will move the needle from this point is his testing (in a positive way), his workouts (could easily go either way), and his sit down interviews (he's gonna need to do some major X's & O's homework). I know he has an invite to play in Mobile... that would be a gamble, but a good opportunity for him should he accept it. Last check, he hadn't made a decision, but I think he's probably waiting until he goes public with his draft declaration.

He accepted. Not a surprise, and it's a really good chance for him to solidify some things. It'll be a very important couple of days for him down there in Mobile...

 

[Davestwin]

This opinion has nothing to do with my "relationship/friendship" with Brandon. I do, however, agree with what he poses here.

Shocking! So you both are doubling down on relegating those who criticize Milroe into three categories of incompetent fans. OK … so it’s not just the two of you … there’s also the full time poster who likes everything you both post but assaults verb conjugation even more than the fans who post something he doesn’t agree with or like. If I had only known you guys before I played and later watched football, I’d know so much more than I do. Who knows with that knowledge I could have perhaps been drafted myself? Or at a minimum, I would have become a much more knowledgeable football fan.

Oh well, it’s your site and as such you can run it in whatever manner you choose. And I will say this … your site is better than some of the echo chambers. You know … the sites that are only for those with permanently affixed crimson colored glasses. You at least allow criticism but it’s not always enough for you to simply disagree with that criticism. No sometimes, like now, you feel it necessary to also dismiss the opinion as coming from incompetent fans. Again, that’s your prerogative.

 

[Kamikazi18627]

So, I can’t wait to see what that kid from Texas can do this spring and fall.

 

[TerryP]

Shocking! So you both are doubling down on relegating those who criticize Milroe into three categories of incompetent fans.

Hold up, hoss. You can chalk this under things I have never said. I have not only purposefully, but specifically, pointed to decisions made by folks in the league when it comes to kids like Jalen.

No sometimes, like now, you feel it necessary to also dismiss the opinion as coming from incompetent fans. Again, that’s your prerogative.

 

[scottyhk]

there’s also the full time poster who likes everything you both post but assaults verb conjugation even more than the fans who post something he doesn’t agree with or like.

This made me laugh...

 

[alabama mike]

This made me laugh...