🏈 Penn State penalties: NCAA credibility plunges

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Sunday began with the statue of Joe Paterno removed from outside Beaver Stadium. And that was the least controversial moment of the day.
Stand back, everyone. The NCAA is on the case.


While Penn State was busy addressing the bronze statue, CBS News reported that the NCAA had reached a decision on penalties in the case of the university hiding Jerry Sandusky's sins.Words like unprecedented. Punitive. Death penalty.

Here's a few more words for you: disingenuous. Grandstanding. Blowhard.



Excuse me if I can't get excited about an organization that saw Ohio State players accept cash in envelopes after coach Jim Tressel's lies and illegal benefits for players were exposed, but said lack of institutional control wasn't an issue.
If I can't get excited about an organization that knew Cecil Newton was shopping his son, Cam, to Mississippi State — yet let him continue to play at Auburn (and eventually win a national championship) — because it had no rule prohibiting parents from shopping their offspring to the highest bidder.
If I can't get excited about an organization that knows street agent Willie Lyles was paid $25,000 by Oregon for useless recruiting information; that knows Lyles was the "mentor" for five-star recruit Lache Seastrunk; that knows Oregon coach Chip Kelly lied when asked by a newspaper if he knew Lyles (Kelly later said, we call him 'Will'); that knows Kelly told Lyles he needed more recruiting information from Lyles after the fact, yet we're more than a year into the Oregon investigation with no end in sight.
If I can't get excited about an organization that looked at quite possibly the worst case of NCAA infractions in the history of the sport at North Carolina — in its depth and breadth of clear, indisputable illegal benefits and academic fraud issues — and decided it wasn't as destructive as a Southern Cal assistant coach who the NCAA claimed "knew or should have known" Reggie Bush was getting illegal benefits.
What happened at Penn State is the single greatest tragedy in sports history. Whatever penalties the university receives from the NCAA — whether or not the sport's governing body and Penn State agreed on them — isn't the point. If it were up to me, I'd shut down the program for the exact number of years the university hid the child abuse.
But this isn't about the penalties; it's about NCAA process.


We have to step away from the raw emotions of a horrific moment in college football, and look at the bigger picture. You can't make a quick decision on one case because it's unthinkable in its impact and destruction on so many lives, and then drag your feet on others (Southern Cal, North Carolina, Oregon, Ohio State, Miami of Florida) that cut to the very core of amateur athletics.
You can't claim lack of subpoena power in exposing issues at rogue schools, and then use the Freeh Report as the framework of your sanctions against Penn State — the same Freeh Commission that also had no subpoena power.
You can't admit there is no bylaw against shopping your son for $180,000 in that vast catalog of dos and don'ts you call a rulebook, and then proclaim you've been given "special jurisdiction" to rule on a case that isn't within a country mile of said rulebook.
And we wonder why programs continue to cheat? We wonder why, despite NCAA president Mark Emmert's public stand on getting serious about dealing with major offenders, coaches and their staffs and other members of athletic departments have come to the learned — key word there, learned — conclusion that the reward is worth the risk.
By using "special jurisdiction," the NCAA has essentially opened every future case to that precedent. It has set up itself and its member universities for multiple lawsuits based on sanctions resulting from "special jurisdiction" for years to come.
Imagine that, a governing body with no subpoena power now has "special jurisdiction" power.
When news broke Sunday about the Penn State sanctions, a BCS coach texted me and said, "Even if NCAA has no authority, they have to seem like they do."
Early Sunday, workers in State College, Pa., threw up a fence and blue tarp around the shrine to Joe Paterno at Beaver Stadium, and removed coach's 900-pound bronze likeness.
How fitting. There's still a 900-pound gorilla in the room called the NCAA: toothless enforcement, pick and choose sanctions, different rules for different fools.
And zero credibility.
 
Not sure what blog this came from, but I'd love for it (or any other major site, really) to conduct some kind of poll of the general public regarding their opinions on the actions by the NCAA.

Anyway.... moving forward with credibility or not, it happened and it's over, so... it is what it is.
 
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What would have been a credible response?

More time?
Let the infractions people handle it?
Do nothing and let the criminal and civil suits play out?

I don't know, i can't help but think this was the dirtiest thing Ive ever heard about in a collegiate sports program and then covered up by the men in power.

But a lot of innocent people get hurt with this big probation too.

Unique situation, and if your PSU, it's probably better to gone on and get hammered now than wait another year and then get hit.
 
"the single greatest tragedy in sports history" is a bit too far. Tragedy? Without question, but this is not even unprecedented in east coast American collegiate sports.

Let us recall just a few months ago the story of Syracuse Basketball Assistant Coach Bernie Fine and the claims that he molested Ball Boys over years. I'm waiting to hear similar punishments to be brought against Syracuse as well.

When was the last year that we did not hear about some football player somewhere who was charged with raping some 17-18 year old Co-Ed. Punishments are never as sever as what PSU is getting. (For those who say there is a difference between raping a child and raping someone on the opposite side of their 18th birthday, You're sick because no evil is better than the next.)

Timing is interesting because this September marks the 40th years since the Munich Olympics where an event founded on peace was attacked by murdering terrorist. Saddam Hussain's son tortured Iraq's soccer team for poor performance. That crash of the Marshall University plane was crushing for more than 4 years. A plane crash in South America left a soccer team to eat one another. And the Romans, they turned feeding Christians into sport.

Jerry Sandusky is a single evil man. PSU had a handful of men who had warped loyalties and I hope they spend a great deal of time in jail thinking about rape. But as undeniably horrific as this was, it was neither unprecedented nor the worse that sports has seen. With the Bernie Fine case still out there we will see just how pypocritical the NCAA can be.
 
i don't think there's anything the NCAA could do as far as punishment that would exactly fit the crime, due to the immeasurability (if that's a word) of the crime itself. what punitive punishment can you give a football organization or school that mirrors what was done to the boys there? you can't.

they also have no way to make everyone happy. i think the punishment generally makes sense... although the 60mil kinda seems random and not that large of an amount.

it will take the better part of 10 years for penn st. to play decent football again imo. that is pretty harsh punishment in reference to a football organization.
 
Jerry Sandusky is a single evil man. PSU had a handful of men who had warped loyalties and I hope they spend a great deal of time in jail thinking about rape. But as undeniably horrific as this was, it was neither unprecedented nor the worse that sports has seen. With the Bernie Fine case still out there we will see just how hypocritical the NCAA can be.

Before the PSU story broke, a grand jury had already reviewed the evidence. Then PSU conducted their own investigation w/ the Freeh report & then signed off on the NCAA's interpretation of those findings.

IMHO, people are forgetting that MORE boys were abducted AFTER several reported incidents. That makes people like Paterno & the president accessories to this thing. It is one thing for a incident to happen at any university but for any institution that FAILS to make sure it doesn't continue by the same perpetrator is grossly failing their responsibility, they are perpetuating the problem... this is the NCAA's basis for hammering PSU.
 
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Any NCAA action is another scaffold in the ill-conceived structure that is the NCAA enforcement history. Every new action is another opportunity to open old wounds. They have been consistently inconsistent. This unprecedented action, as C&WGecko noted, is for failures that led to other children being abused. I can't rationally compare it to other incidents of paying players and such. It has no comparison.

RTR,

Tim
 
I think the writer was merely expressing what It Takes Eleven posted earlier, " The NCAA has been consistent at being inconsistent". They have been so slow to judge and let some things go after admissions of guilt and then rushed to judge on others that weren't as near cut and dried. Molestation is horrible and all responsible need to be punished and have their balls nailed to the wall. Paterno was run through the mud yesterday because he is dead and can't defend himself. Anyone else notice how, the former president, vice president, and athletic director weren't even mentioned by Emmert in his announcement of sanctions? Those are the men who Paterno turned his information over to and they covered it up. Paterno is guilty of not calling authorities after nothing was done. All of these men IMHO are just as guilty as Sandusky is just as if they had been along side him. Hell, even the GA who walked in on the shower incident, who told Paterno THE NEXT DAY, should be thrown in as well. He should've called authorities as well when he kept seeing Sandusky around the football offices. There are no winners, nothing but losers from this situation.
 
When was the last year that we did not hear about some football player somewhere who was charged with raping some 17-18 year old Co-Ed. Punishments are never as sever as what PSU is getting. (For those who say there is a difference between raping a child and raping someone on the opposite side of their 18th birthday, You're sick because no evil is better than the next.)

This is ridiculous. Evil is evil, but the situations are not comparable. An isolated raping incident (and of a girl/woman above the age of consent, with the mental wherewithall to tell someone or take action, if chosen) is an entirely different scenario than what occured here, and in terms of far reaching effects and involvement of other people, the two cannot be compared. You're talking about a man who preyed on young boys - via a CHARITY ORGANIZATION he founded HIMSELF, which received GOVERNMENT FUNDING - because they had no father figure in the first place, with single mothers who were just happy for some glorified babysitting.. then befriended them, bought them things, made them promises, etc over a period of time, and this was the case with a number that FAR outreaches what we know about. Most of these boys, now men, now have wives/children/jobs to protect. If it were me, I doubt I would ever speak up, either. Then you have the fact that- not only was he doing this by starting a CHARITY for underprivilged kids- but he was taking in foster children, and by one of his adopted sons' own admission, was molesting him as well! HE WAS RAPING HIS OWN SON!

I'm honestly speechless at the grasping of straws by some on this forum in attempt to rationalize on behalf of PSU against the actions of the big, bad NCAA. I'm happy, though, that these opinions are NOT reflective of the general public.
 
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He had a chance to while he was still alive and publicly LIED, stating he didn't have knowledge of these incidents, then emails and reports were recovered and publicized via the Freeh report, showing that to be an absolute lie.

You missed my point! The NCAA punished him by taking away the wins. The others involved in the cover up were never mentioned. Why? Because they can still defend themselves! I also said that Paterno did fail to follow it up once he realized nothing was done. We will never know for sure because the man is dead and we can't ask him. I'm not defending him or the University. The NCAA has gone outside of their own rules in order to make a statement that satisfies the public.
 
You missed my point! The NCAA punished him by taking away the wins. The others involved in the cover up were never mentioned. Why? Because they can still defend themselves!

Huh? They've been charged.. they're in the system now and currently facing prison time. Paterno died before he could be charged, and if he were alive today, I would put money on the fact that he would be, too. What can the NCAA do to Shultz and Curley? Clearly they'll never be involved with the football program (or any others) ever again but the legal system is dealing with them as we speak. The NCAA is the legislative body of the athletic programs of its members... Paterno was the coach
 
I'm honestly speechless at the grasping of straws by some on this forum in attempt to rationalize on behalf of PSU against the actions of the big, bad NCAA. I'm happy, though, that these opinions are NOT reflective of the general public.

If I'm not on the same side as the general public I've got no problems with that, at all. I'll add that you are far from speechless on this situation; quite vocal in fact. But hey, that's what this is about. There's not a damn thing wrong with people seeing a situation differently.

The objection to what the NCAA has done in this situation is far from grasping at straws. There are different viewpoints on this with a common theme from both sides. What happened was terribly wrong. In the same light, what the NCAA has done is terribly wrong as well in some eyes, mine included.

I've seen many different points in this thread that are all valid. While I may not agree with every one mentioned, it doesn't diminish the validity they hold in the persons eyes. It's called a difference of opinion.

No matter what, you won't be able to tell me I'm wrong when I state that Emmert acted in a dictatorial-like manner with his actions. In fact, there is no better evidence than Dr. Ray stating in the press conference, "this was done to show we're in charge."
 
I caught the last few minutes of that after a friend called and said I should tune in...funny thing is I was watching Fox Business at the time and they were saying the same things (economically) as Brent mentioned.
 
Huh? They've been charged.. they're in the system now and currently facing prison time. Paterno died before he could be charged, and if he were alive today, I would put money on the fact that he would be, too. What can the NCAA do to Shultz and Curley? Clearly they'll never be involved with the football program (or any others) ever again but the legal system is dealing with them as we speak. The NCAA is the legislative body of the athletic programs of its members... Paterno was the coach

^This...

I personally could care less about whether he is a alive or dead...not one second of thought on my mind. Paterno, along with everybody who knew about this problem and utterly failed to do anything of consequence to stop this guy --> they have absolutely no right to bemoan unfair treatment. That right has been laid at the feet of these kids who have been abused, especially the ones hurt since they willfully let this pass with some of the initial discoveries of abuse.

Also, those that have the greatest amount of power, pull, influence, authority, whoever can @#!*% the farthest, SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE. The janitors knew about it but everybody here knows that isn't the same as those in charge of the university (de facto or de ure) who could've wiped the floor w/ Sandusky but failed outta some sanctimonious loyalty to that monster.

Hopefully, my final say is that most of us who follow this board as 'Bama fans aren't certainly fans of how the NCAA has worked or ruled over the past 12 years. They're level of consistency is to be inconsistent. HOWEVER, I think they got this one right. It is not like this case came to light since the Freeh report. A grand jury tried evidence before the charges were filled on Sandusky. Do any of you understand what it takes for that to happen? Once he was charged, the NCAA had access to gamuts of info that were made public & once that monster was convicted that made the majority (if not all) of the investigative material practically gospel, NOT speculation. Then the Freeh (another third party evaluation) comes out which is basically connecting the dots from the trial to the administrative efforts of PSU. To make matters clearer --> Penn State accepted the factual findings of the Freeh Report, which the university itself commissioned, the NCAA determined that traditional investigative and administrative proceedings would be duplicative and unnecessary. NO NEED to do all the other preliminary crap that the NCAA has been known for. They actually practiced common sense & just because the NCAA screwed up on countless other institutions does not mean they should do it again.
 
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Let's see. We had to vacate o few wins because of a violation of textbook policy. USCw had to vacate some wins because they let agents run fast and loose and provide extra benefits to some athletes. FSU had to vacate some wins because there was some academic hanky panky going on that allowed some players to stay eligible. Penn State vacates wins because of not acting on allegations of child molestation and covering up everything they could about it.

The first one was strange, the next two dealt with competitive advantages for the schools. The last one is very heinous, but shouldn't even be in the same discussion with the first three. I could rant for a while about the phoniness of vacating wins but I will save that for another day. The only damage that can be done to Paterno now is to his legacy, and that was already irreparably tarnished by the Sandusky trial and investigation. The folks up the food chain will face criminal charges, and I hope they too spend many years in jail. Considering how other prisoners feel about child abusers, Jerry Sandusky will not do well at all in prison, and there is a perverse justice in that. The school has to pay millions to organizations that deal with child abuse, and will pay many more millions to the victims as those court cases progress. The losers here are the new staff, the current players, the support staff and the community around the football team that has football season activities as part of their livelihood.

For those of you who say this will be a lesson that no one should ever do this again, I say that if a few years from now something else heinous happened the NCAA would typically visit its wrath on those that had nothing to do with the offense, so where is the deterrence?
 
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