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[TUSKtimes]

On a more personal note, I'm happy to know he's not playing. As strong as the tigers have been on the back end of their D, they have struggled to get to the QB. One more piece missing in their front seven is fine with me.

 

[94 Grad]

Fitzgerald also lowered his head

No. He didn't. It's clear he didn't in this video. In fact, he's looking downfield at his pass when the contact occurs. His head moves to his left side and I can't tell if it's by contact or he's turning his head to avoid contact-- but he's clearly not looking down.

Maybe I'm crazy, but from everything I'm seeing there was zero contact to the head or neck, he was pushed in the chest

In this thread, this picture shows where the impact is located. His face mask is buried underneath his chin.

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I'll take the high resolution video over this backside grainy picture. His head goes to the side, excuse me, in efforts of getting ready for when he is hit. He is not hit in the head or it would have shot backwards, and you see zero wiplash from his head.

Maybe these will help you see it better.... Sorry for the quality, but the site won't let me upload the hi res images.











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[BamaFan334]

He is not hit in the head or it would have shot backwards, and you see zero wiplash from his head.

You are missing this. His forearm, elbow, and hands were in the neck area. It was forcible contact. That's the rule. That's targeting.

You can hate the rule but you can't say the call was wrong. I hate the rule, but like others know it was correct.

Curious. Outside of fans--LSU and here--have you seen anyone of note say it wasn't targeting. And no, I don't consider Shea Dixon to be one that carries weight. I've had enough personal experience with him to know he doesn't look at things objectively.

I haven't scowered the internet and don't use Twitter or Facebook, so I wouldn't know if there was. Where are we seeing hands and forearms to the neck and head area? I saw a shove to the chest. By this account why aren't guys that are pushing each other in the head after a play thrown out eveey single time?

 

[#80]

I watched it live I've seen the replays the man is running he does not launch. I will go as far to say it is the worst targeting call I've seen.
Officials and review crews make mistakes and that is what happened in this case. Don't get me wrong I'm glad he will miss the first half it certainly helps the Tide we have been fast starters this year.

 

[BamaFan334]

Fitzgerald also lowered his head

No. He didn't. It's clear he didn't in this video. In fact, he's looking downfield at his pass when the contact occurs. His head moves to his left side and I can't tell if it's by contact or he's turning his head to avoid contact-- but he's clearly not looking down.

Maybe I'm crazy, but from everything I'm seeing there was zero contact to the head or neck, he was pushed in the chest

In this thread, this picture shows where the impact is located. His face mask is buried underneath his chin.

View attachment 9894

I'll take the high resolution video over this backside grainy picture. His head goes to the side, excuse me, in efforts of getting ready for when he is hit. He is not hit in the head or it would have shot backwards, and you see zero wiplash from his head.

Maybe these will help you see it better.... Sorry for the quality, but the site won't let me upload the hi res images.


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There is zero definitive evidence there was contact there. Do you see Fitzgerald's head snap back or smooshed in like we see every other play when a guy gets hit? The hit Waddle took was what you expect to see when you get hit in the neck and head area.

 

[94 Grad]

He is not hit in the head or it would have shot backwards, and you see zero wiplash from his head.

You are missing this. His forearm, elbow, and hands were in the neck area. It was forcible contact. That's the rule. That's targeting.

You can hate the rule but you can't say the call was wrong. I hate the rule, but like others know it was correct.

Curious. Outside of fans--LSU and here--have you seen anyone of note say it wasn't targeting. And no, I don't consider Shea Dixon to be one that carries weight. I've had enough personal experience with him to know he doesn't look at things objectively.

I haven't scowered the internet and don't use Twitter or Facebook, so I wouldn't know if there was. Where are we seeing hands and forearms to the neck and head area? I saw a shove to the chest. By this account why aren't guys that are pushing each other in the head after a play thrown out eveey single time?

Look in the 1st image I posted above.... his hands are at the neck and if you if you can watch it in motion, they move UP from where they are shown in the still image.

It wasn't a HUGE hit, but it meets the definition of the rule.

I WILL SAY, it's a bad rule... it should be revised in some way as I don't feel this SHOULD be a penalty... but I don't feel our speed limit on a deserted interstate should be limited to 55 either.... gotta pay the fine if you get caught speeding.

 

[BamaFan334]

He is not hit in the head or it would have shot backwards, and you see zero wiplash from his head.

You are missing this. His forearm, elbow, and hands were in the neck area. It was forcible contact. That's the rule. That's targeting.

You can hate the rule but you can't say the call was wrong. I hate the rule, but like others know it was correct.

Curious. Outside of fans--LSU and here--have you seen anyone of note say it wasn't targeting. And no, I don't consider Shea Dixon to be one that carries weight. I've had enough personal experience with him to know he doesn't look at things objectively.

I haven't scowered the internet and don't use Twitter or Facebook, so I wouldn't know if there was. Where are we seeing hands and forearms to the neck and head area? I saw a shove to the chest. By this account why aren't guys that are pushing each other in the head after a play thrown out eveey single time?

Look in the 1st image I posted above.... his hands are at the neck and if you if you can watch it in motion, they move UP from where they are shown in the still image.

It wasn't a HUGE hit, but it meets the definition of the rule.

I WILL SAY, it's a bad rule... it should be revised in some way as I don't feel this SHOULD be a penalty... but I don't feel our speed limit on a deserted interstate should be limited to 55 either.... gotta pay the fine if you get caught speeding.

Even cops allow you to go 7 miles over that without pulling you over, atleast that's what they have always told me.

 

[94 Grad]

Fitzgerald also lowered his head

No. He didn't. It's clear he didn't in this video. In fact, he's looking downfield at his pass when the contact occurs. His head moves to his left side and I can't tell if it's by contact or he's turning his head to avoid contact-- but he's clearly not looking down.

Maybe I'm crazy, but from everything I'm seeing there was zero contact to the head or neck, he was pushed in the chest

In this thread, this picture shows where the impact is located. His face mask is buried underneath his chin.

View attachment 9894

I'll take the high resolution video over this backside grainy picture. His head goes to the side, excuse me, in efforts of getting ready for when he is hit. He is not hit in the head or it would have shot backwards, and you see zero wiplash from his head.

Maybe these will help you see it better.... Sorry for the quality, but the site won't let me upload the hi res images.


View attachment 9897

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View attachment 9899

There is zero definitive evidence there was contact there. Do you see Fitzgerald's head snap back or smooshed in like we see every other play when a guy gets hit? The hit Waddle took was what you expect to see when you get hit in the neck and head area.

Yes, you do in the motion video... his entire body move significantly backwards and he lands flat on his ass/back... so I don't know how you can say there is not fore-able contact

 

[94 Grad]

He is not hit in the head or it would have shot backwards, and you see zero wiplash from his head.

You are missing this. His forearm, elbow, and hands were in the neck area. It was forcible contact. That's the rule. That's targeting.

You can hate the rule but you can't say the call was wrong. I hate the rule, but like others know it was correct.

Curious. Outside of fans--LSU and here--have you seen anyone of note say it wasn't targeting. And no, I don't consider Shea Dixon to be one that carries weight. I've had enough personal experience with him to know he doesn't look at things objectively.

I haven't scowered the internet and don't use Twitter or Facebook, so I wouldn't know if there was. Where are we seeing hands and forearms to the neck and head area? I saw a shove to the chest. By this account why aren't guys that are pushing each other in the head after a play thrown out eveey single time?

Look in the 1st image I posted above.... his hands are at the neck and if you if you can watch it in motion, they move UP from where they are shown in the still image.

It wasn't a HUGE hit, but it meets the definition of the rule.

I WILL SAY, it's a bad rule... it should be revised in some way as I don't feel this SHOULD be a penalty... but I don't feel our speed limit on a deserted interstate should be limited to 55 either.... gotta pay the fine if you get caught speeding.

Even cops allow you to go 7 miles over that without pulling you over, atleast that's what they have always told me.

True, but state patrol has the option to pull you over for 1mph over the speed limit regardless. Do you speed past a cop driving next to you 7mph over the speed limit or do you slow down?

I'm not saying it SHOULD be a penalty... I'm just saying that is WAS a penalty. I'm sure there is holding on just about every play too...

Up by two scores with 5 minutes left, you should know better than to allow yourself to be put into a situation that you could get a targeting. I don't agree that the hit should have been a penalty...but by rule it was.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

He is not hit in the head or it would have shot backwards, and you see zero wiplash from his head.

You are missing this. His forearm, elbow, and hands were in the neck area. It was forcible contact. That's the rule. That's targeting.

You can hate the rule but you can't say the call was wrong. I hate the rule, but like others know it was correct.

Curious. Outside of fans--LSU and here--have you seen anyone of note say it wasn't targeting. And no, I don't consider Shea Dixon to be one that carries weight. I've had enough personal experience with him to know he doesn't look at things objectively.

Will be lively debate for next 13 days.....and for Lsu fans post game in the form of "what if" and SEC office in Birmingham ( which means what...I dont know)....

 

[94 Grad]

He is not hit in the head or it would have shot backwards, and you see zero wiplash from his head.

You are missing this. His forearm, elbow, and hands were in the neck area. It was forcible contact. That's the rule. That's targeting.

You can hate the rule but you can't say the call was wrong. I hate the rule, but like others know it was correct.

Curious. Outside of fans--LSU and here--have you seen anyone of note say it wasn't targeting. And no, I don't consider Shea Dixon to be one that carries weight. I've had enough personal experience with him to know he doesn't look at things objectively.

Will be lively debate for next 13 days.....and for Lsu fans post game in the form of "what if" and SEC office in Birmingham ( which means what...I dont know)....

Bama goes up 28 to 0 in the 1st quarter on LSU, they will be bitching for the rest of the year and into next year at how the SEC office screwed them...

 

[BamaFan334]

He is not hit in the head or it would have shot backwards, and you see zero wiplash from his head.

You are missing this. His forearm, elbow, and hands were in the neck area. It was forcible contact. That's the rule. That's targeting.

You can hate the rule but you can't say the call was wrong. I hate the rule, but like others know it was correct.

Curious. Outside of fans--LSU and here--have you seen anyone of note say it wasn't targeting. And no, I don't consider Shea Dixon to be one that carries weight. I've had enough personal experience with him to know he doesn't look at things objectively.

I haven't scowered the internet and don't use Twitter or Facebook, so I wouldn't know if there was. Where are we seeing hands and forearms to the neck and head area? I saw a shove to the chest. By this account why aren't guys that are pushing each other in the head after a play thrown out eveey single time?

Look in the 1st image I posted above.... his hands are at the neck and if you if you can watch it in motion, they move UP from where they are shown in the still image.

It wasn't a HUGE hit, but it meets the definition of the rule.

I WILL SAY, it's a bad rule... it should be revised in some way as I don't feel this SHOULD be a penalty... but I don't feel our speed limit on a deserted interstate should be limited to 55 either.... gotta pay the fine if you get caught speeding.

Even cops allow you to go 7 miles over that without pulling you over, atleast that's what they have always told me.

True, but state patrol has the option to pull you over for 1mph over the speed limit regardless. Do you speed past a cop driving next to you 7mph over the speed limit or do you slow down?

I'm not saying it SHOULD be a penalty... I'm just saying that is WAS a penalty. I'm sure there is holding on just about every play too...

Up by two scores with 5 minutes left, you should know better than to allow yourself to be put into a situation that you could get a targeting. I don't agree that the hit should have been a penalty...but by rule it was.

I agree, he shouldn't have been in the game at that point, but the refs are taking the game out if the player's hands and we all know how quick a game can change. I'm still standing of the mind where there was zero targeting, but whatever, not my team and not my call. I feel like targeting was put in place to protect players against vicious and malicious activity and hits, IE the crack back block away from the ball, aiming for a punter or quarterback after a kick or turnover, and just dirty plays after the ball is gone, not bullcrap like this. It's no coincidence there is national outrage at most of these calls. I don't mind a rule, but enforcing it here is garbage, especially when you look at the penalty towards the player.

 

[#80]

Contact to the chest forcing the helmet to move down is not targeting. His head was not lowered.

 

[94 Grad]

I agree, he shouldn't have been in the game at that point, but the refs are taking the game out if the player's hands and we all know how quick a game can change. I'm still standing of the mind where there was zero targeting, but whatever, not my team and not my call. I feel like targeting was put in place to protect players against vicious and malicious activity and hits, IE the crack back block away from the ball, aiming for a punter or quarterback after a kick or turnover, and just dirty plays after the ball is gone, not bullcrap like this. It's no coincidence there is national outrage at most of these calls. I don't mind a rule, but enforcing it here is garbage, especially when you look at the penalty towards the player.

Contact to the chest forcing the helmet to move down is not targeting. His head was not lowered.

@BamaFan334 I agree with everything you said, less the "zero targeting"...

We're all entitled to our own opinion... and we don't have to agree since it's just opinion.

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

Steve Shaw was on the radio one day last week and he was explaining how the review process takes place back in the SEC HDQ office. Three officials within the office make the determination on the review. He stated they try to get the process done within 2 minutes as a goal. If they don't see a clear reason to reverse a call then they allow the call made on the field to stand.

 

[94 Grad]

Steve Shaw was on the radio one day last week and he was explaining how the review process takes place back in the SEC HDQ office. Three officials within the office make the determination on the review. He stated they try to get the process done within 2 minutes as a goal. If they don't see a clear reason to reverse a call then they allow the call made on the field to stand.

The call wasn't announced as "stands" it was announced as "Confirmed"... which should indicated that the review agreed with the field call.

BTW, Here is a motion look from a different angle that you may not be seeing on the webs...

Motion look from different angle

You have to look closely as the camera swings away, but (at least for me) his head appears to "pop" backwards on the hit.

 

[planomateo]

@94 Grad - this is a good look of what you're saying about the head pop.

 

[planomateo]

 

[TerryP]

@94 Grad - this is a good look of what you're saying about the head pop.

Watch his feet. Is that launching or just momentum? That's a tough call there.

 

[94 Grad]

@94 Grad - this is a good look of what you're saying about the head pop.

Watch his feet. Is that launching or just momentum? That's a tough call there.

To me... his body angle is forward in an "unnatural" running position and he both feet leave the ground with force... compare that to the picture I put up of Mack, where his body is more UPRIGHT and not angled FORWARD to a point of contact... to me, I see a launch for the LSU player... but I can understand where others don't see that.