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[planomateo]

LOL...

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

Steve

The other two views they showed in the game show it as targeting AND the review CONFIRMED it.

I agree that it wasn’t much of a hit, but it is what it is.

Steve Shaw and The REC doing good work from the SEC Office in The Ham....

 

[mando]

Perhaps textbook, but in my opinion, it's still a terrible call for this play. He pushed him in from the chest...is that technically the neck area?

Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player
ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)
Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:

• Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
• A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
• Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
• Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet

Ok based on this I stand corrected. I did not realize the "forearm" was part of the rule. I knew a hit to the head/neck with your helmet or launching was part of it but not the hand/fist/shoulder. With this definition any hit to the head and neck area would be targeting.

I still do not like it but that is an entirely different issue

 

[BamaFan334]

FitzGerald is 6'5" and White hit him in the head. White put his helmet on him with bad intentions. He gone.

Fitzgerald also lowered his head. Devin White is 6'0. He would have to jump to hit Fitzgerald in the head if he was standing all 6'5. It was clearly a bad call. Sometimes I just think these replay officials don't put common sense into the situation.

With all due respect, if these replay guys were half witted they would have thrown Davis out last week for throwing punches. It was clear and they can call down for calls like that. Atleast I've seen play stopped before on roughing and unsporsmanlike calls in the past.

 

[planomateo]

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LA Governor is gearing up for his next election.

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[50+yeartidefan]

Lsu will say.....because the sec office is in Birmingham....lol
Matters in their mine I guess

 

[planomateo]

Ok based on this I stand corrected. I did not realize the "forearm" was part of the rule. I knew a hit to the head/neck with your helmet or launching was part of it but not the hand/fist/shoulder. With this definition any hit to the head and neck area would be targeting.

I still do not like it but that is an entirely different issue

Which is why I don't like the rule at all.

Not to mention, the subjective way officials/SEC office is calling this.

Be consistent or get rid of the damn rule all together.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Fjust watched....thats a shitty call...glad the sec office is in Birmingham

 

[BamaFan334]

Perhaps textbook, but in my opinion, it's still a terrible call for this play.

I just don't see how you could come to that conclusion.

• Leading with helmet, shoulder forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area.

1) Lead with the forearm and elbow. √
2) Forcible contact (there was enough force to put him on his butt.) √
3) Head or nick area. √

It checks all the boxes.

A couple of years ago it wouldn't have been called roughing the passer. It wouldn't have been called, period. But that was yesteryear.

I don't agree with that type of hit being one that leads to an ejection. However, I don't believe the first targeting flag is either (Unless is so blatant you can't walk away from the flag.) It is the rule.

Perhaps what you meant was...

Perhaps textbook, but in my opinion, it's still a terrible rule for this play.

Ya?

Maybe I'm crazy, but from everything I'm seeing there was zero contact to the head or neck, he was pushed in the chest. If I punched you in the chest or stomach your head could come forward and make contact with me eithout me ever touching your neck and chest which appears to happen here. Argue it till your black and blue in the face, same as I could, but this was a bad call. Check all the boxes you want, but apparently those same boxes have been checked in the NFL and those crazy as calls as well as the NCAa games, so it's very subjective, not fact.

 

[94 Grad]

Perhaps textbook, but in my opinion, it's still a terrible call for this play.

I just don't see how you could come to that conclusion.

• Leading with helmet, shoulder forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area.

1) Lead with the forearm and elbow. √
2) Forcible contact (there was enough force to put him on his butt.) √
3) Head or nick area. √

It checks all the boxes.

A couple of years ago it wouldn't have been called roughing the passer. It wouldn't have been called, period. But that was yesteryear.

I don't agree with that type of hit being one that leads to an ejection. However, I don't believe the first targeting flag is either (Unless is so blatant you can't walk away from the flag.) It is the rule.

Perhaps what you meant was...

Perhaps textbook, but in my opinion, it's still a terrible rule for this play.

Ya?

Maybe I'm crazy, but from everything I'm seeing there was zero contact to the head or neck, he was pushed in the chest. If I punched you in the chest or stomach your head could come forward and make contact with me eithout me ever touching your neck and chest which appears to happen here. Argue it till your black and blue in the face, same as I could, but this was a bad call. Check all the boxes you want, but apparently those same boxes have been checked in the NFL and those crazy as calls as well as the NCAa games, so it's very subjective, not fact.

You’d need to see the other two angles they showed in game. The angle people keep reposting doesn’t show the hit.

I agree with TerryP. It was called correctly...AND this is a terrible rule as it is being applied.

 

[94 Grad]

The other two views they showed in the game show it as targeting AND the review CONFIRMED it.

I agree that it wasn’t much of a hit, but it is what it is.

Did you watch the game? I did. It was a bad call. You and the review crew need an eye exam.

I did, which is why I agree with the call. The other two angles shown in game show the hit better than the one angle they keep reposting.

Both the field ref AND the replay ref agree too. The replay didn’t just let the call “Stand” it was “Confirmed”.

 

[BamaFan334]

Perhaps textbook, but in my opinion, it's still a terrible call for this play.

I just don't see how you could come to that conclusion.

• Leading with helmet, shoulder forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area.

1) Lead with the forearm and elbow. √
2) Forcible contact (there was enough force to put him on his butt.) √
3) Head or nick area. √

It checks all the boxes.

A couple of years ago it wouldn't have been called roughing the passer. It wouldn't have been called, period. But that was yesteryear.

I don't agree with that type of hit being one that leads to an ejection. However, I don't believe the first targeting flag is either (Unless is so blatant you can't walk away from the flag.) It is the rule.

Perhaps what you meant was...

Perhaps textbook, but in my opinion, it's still a terrible rule for this play.

Ya?

Maybe I'm crazy, but from everything I'm seeing there was zero contact to the head or neck, he was pushed in the chest. If I punched you in the chest or stomach your head could come forward and make contact with me eithout me ever touching your neck and chest which appears to happen here. Argue it till your black and blue in the face, same as I could, but this was a bad call. Check all the boxes you want, but apparently those same boxes have been checked in the NFL and those crazy as calls as well as the NCAa games, so it's very subjective, not fact.

You’d need to see the other two angles they showed in game. The angle people keep reposting doesn’t show the hit.

I agree with TerryP. It was called correctly...AND this is a terrible rule as it is being applied.

I'll take a look, and I agree with you on the rule. We've talked before on this site about how sometimes the right call is the wrong call, and I think this is the wrong call from the get go, but even if it was the specific reason for the rule, I think it's the wrong call. Like four minutes left in the game, come on. It wasn't agregious, malicious, or any other adjective you want to throw at it, a d you'te costing the guy the first half of their biggest game. The NCAA is really digging theirselves into a deeper hole with these rules and other sanctions they try to use their power to control against.

 

[94 Grad]

BTW, here is Mack’s hit... Text book how to make a hit. Head up... hit in chest... run threw player.

 

[TerryP]

Fitzgerald also lowered his head

No. He didn't. It's clear he didn't in this video. In fact, he's looking downfield at his pass when the contact occurs. His head moves to his left side and I can't tell if it's by contact or he's turning his head to avoid contact-- but he's clearly not looking down.

Maybe I'm crazy, but from everything I'm seeing there was zero contact to the head or neck, he was pushed in the chest

In this thread, this picture shows where the impact is located. His face mask is buried underneath his chin.

 

[TerryP]

BTW, here is Mack’s hit... Text book how to make a hit. Head up... hit in chest... run threw player.

Uh, you forgot something here.

 

[94 Grad]

BTW, here is Mack’s hit... Text book how to make a hit. Head up... hit in chest... run threw player.

Uh, you forgot something here.

Sorry...iPhone photo was too large for post... had to compress it some to get it uploaded.

 

[TerryP]

@94 Grad, I've seen a handful of times the iPhone and the compression codes argue with each other here like an old married couple.

 

[#80]

Perhaps textbook, but in my opinion, it's still a terrible call for this play. He pushed him in from the chest...is that technically the neck area?

Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player
ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)
Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:

• Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
• A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
• Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
• Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet

I agree 110%.

 

[BamaFan334]

Fitzgerald also lowered his head

No. He didn't. It's clear he didn't in this video. In fact, he's looking downfield at his pass when the contact occurs. His head moves to his left side and I can't tell if it's by contact or he's turning his head to avoid contact-- but he's clearly not looking down.

Maybe I'm crazy, but from everything I'm seeing there was zero contact to the head or neck, he was pushed in the chest

In this thread, this picture shows where the impact is located. His face mask is buried underneath his chin.

View attachment 9894

I'll take the high resolution video over this backside grainy picture. His head goes to the side, excuse me, in efforts of getting ready for when he is hit. He is not hit in the head or it would have shot backwards, and you see zero wiplash from his head.

 

[TerryP]

He is not hit in the head or it would have shot backwards, and you see zero wiplash from his head.

You are missing this. His forearm, elbow, and hands were in the neck area. It was forcible contact. That's the rule. That's targeting.

You can hate the rule but you can't say the call was wrong. I hate the rule, but like others know it was correct.

Curious. Outside of fans--LSU and here--have you seen anyone of note say it wasn't targeting. And no, I don't consider Shea Dixon to be one that carries weight. I've had enough personal experience with him to know he doesn't look at things objectively.