šŸˆ Okay, according to Finebaum some of the sportswriters around the league chose not to vote . . .

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for Mark Ingram at all for the Heisman Trophy.

Don't know how true this is (or if the votes are even made public), but PF commented today on his program that 3 sportswriters from the Knoxville Sentinel, 3 sportswriters from Jackson's Clarion-Ledger, a sportwriter from Athens, and another at a Louisiana newspaper (don't know which) did not cast even a third place vote for MI--their votes going to Tebow, McCoy, Gerhart, and maybe even Suh (in various orders).

Did not get to listen to the whole segment so maybe someone can weigh in and give more specifics.

If this is, indeed, true then I will never buy another Clarion-Ledger newspaper again until those three sorry SOBs are no longer employed there.

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I heard this today also, if this keeps Ingram from winning the Heisman it's a shame. He's worked too hard to have this hatred towards Alabama ruin his chances.
 
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for Mark Ingram at all for the Heisman Trophy.

Don't know how true this is (or if the votes are even made public), but PF commented today on his program that 3 sportswriters from the Knoxville Sentinel, 3 sportswriters from Jackson's Clarion-Ledger, a sportwriter from Athens, and another at a Louisiana newspaper (don't know which) did not cast even a third place vote for MI--their votes going to Tebow, McCoy, Gerhart, and maybe even Sur (in various orders).

Did not get to listen to the whole segment so maybe someone can weigh in and give more specifics.

If this is, indeed, true then I will never buy another Clarion-Ledger newspaper again until those three sorry SOBs are no longer employed there.

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They must have an axe to grind then. Mark Ingram is a very viable candidate....in fact, in my humble little opinion...Ingram, McCoy and Tebow are the only ones who even belong in the Heisman race. Gerhart is playing for an up and coming Stanford team, sure....i'll grant him that he's accomplished a lot...but still, his team doesn't have enough wins in my book. Same goes for Suh. Nebraska is 9-4. So, Suh shouldn't even be in mentioned in the same breath as McCoy, Tebow or Ingram.

Then there's McCoy who was dead awful against Nebraska. He needed the refs help to help lift his team to the championship game....don't get me wrong...there really was 1 second left on the clock BUT Texas was stupid enough to run a play instead of calling the timeout and kicking the field goal....so they deserve to have the clock run out! So that takes McCoy out of the first place slot in my opinion...as he struggled when the spotlight was on him.

Then Tebow...well we know how he fell apart against Bama. Enough said about that one. That leaves only one...Mark Ingram, who performed at his best when the light was shining on him.

So to me it's a no brainer that Ingram should get the Heisman. Anyone who leaves him out of the top three just purely hates Ingram because he plays at Alabama. So consider the source....it's only sour grapes from areas that wish their teams hadn't been shamed and beaten by the Tide this year!
 
Alabama is the team that everyone loves to hate. At one time or another Bama has owned everyone of these other SEC schools and has "taken their manhood". Simple case of penis envy.
 
I think this award is a crap award now. They don't give it to the best player in the country they give it to the player on the best team for the most part and other times the sweetheart pick.

Tebow is the best player on his team, but I don't think in the country. McCoy isn't even the best player on his team let alone in the country. Gerhart is one of the best players in the country. Suh is one of the best players in the country bar none. Suh got 4 1/2 sacks against a team that is going to the NC game that should say something. I think the wins argument is stupid because the award isn't for the best player on the best team it's for the best player in the country.

If I was a voter I would vote Ingram, Suh, and Gerhart... 1,2,3. Tebow you could vote in there, but I wouldn't and McCoy isn't that good if voters need a reminder just go back and watch the Big 12 Championship game.

Cory
 
Please stop anyone you know from buying the Birmingham News. This was Scarbs backwards slap at our beloved Bama. He will do anything he can to hurt our team. Why support this rag? Hit them where it hurts$$$$$
 
Until more about this injustice is made public, and I mean everyone made to know about it, then it'll largely go unnoticed.

There is a bone to pick with Alabama as a program, and Nick Saban as a coach. Wouldn't be shocked if a tinge of racism isn't evident either, though I'd usually be the last person to pull that card out.

It's no mystery to me why the f&^%ing newspaper business is dead.
 
Scarbinski voted for Rolando Mcclain for one reason and one reason only .
to bring attention to himself and the company he works for.What an idiot.

Also mentioned was the fact that longtime sports reporter Clyde Bolton
(the older crowd will know who im talking about)always voted for a defensive lineman every year to the point it was down right an embarrassment.

As far as boycotting or not buying these other guys newspapers
he said ''hey who reads them anyway'' they are lucky to even have a job.

They should honor the best player in college football every year ,but need to come up with a different process of doing so.

Clyde Bolton was influential in his ''day'' as P.F. is today not as edgy
Scarbinski youre no Clyde Bolton your an ''IDIOT''

Mark Ingram will win the Heisman this year ,if not and goes on to win the N.C. Mark Ingram will be the happest man in the world for his team,coaches,and fans something Mark knows a block of bronze couldnt even come close to bringing him.Ask Namath,Stabler,even Barker what their most favorite times in their lives was. They will tell you what Mark will say when ask.''Playing football for CRIMSON TIDE''.:a:
 
Danielson said one of the smartest things I've ever heard him say yesterday on Finebaum. He said that they should only allow you to vote the person you want to, not all the others. It's a shame that bs politics are gonna play a part in the decision...
 
You can't hold someone "accountable" for their opinion, no matter how off base it is. It's their prerogative to vote how they choose. This is part of the reason UA hasn't had a H trophy winner and a way that rival fans/media get back at UA. This was part of the thinking behind Danielson's comments about "It's embarassing that UA doesn't have a H trophy winner." and why he divorced himself from the whole thing six years ago. People vote their agenda not the most deserving player, which was evidenced the year Charles Woodson won over P. Manning. I hate TN, but Manning was a spectacular college QB and deserved the award for the year he had.

Just a note on Gerhart. He's a fine player, but he's had 62 more touches than Mark, faced lesser defenses (only four ranked higher than 90th in total defense), and still only beats Mark's totals by 21 yards. Mark has faced top level defenses and still produced when everyone knew what was coming. To the objective viewer it's a no comparison.
 
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They must have an axe to grind then. Mark Ingram is a very viable candidate....in fact, in my humble little opinion...Ingram, McCoy and Tebow are the only ones who even belong in the Heisman race. Gerhart is playing for an up and coming Stanford team, sure....i'll grant him that he's accomplished a lot...but still, his team doesn't have enough wins in my book. Same goes for Suh. Nebraska is 9-4. So, Suh shouldn't even be in mentioned in the same breath as McCoy, Tebow or Ingram.

Then there's McCoy who was dead awful against Nebraska. He needed the refs help to help lift his team to the championship game....don't get me wrong...there really was 1 second left on the clock BUT Texas was stupid enough to run a play instead of calling the timeout and kicking the field goal....so they deserve to have the clock run out! So that takes McCoy out of the first place slot in my opinion...as he struggled when the spotlight was on him.

Then Tebow...well we know how he fell apart against Bama. Enough said about that one. That leaves only one...Mark Ingram, who performed at his best when the light was shining on him.

So to me it's a no brainer that Ingram should get the Heisman. Anyone who leaves him out of the top three just purely hates Ingram because he plays at Alabama. So consider the source....it's only sour grapes from areas that wish their teams hadn't been shamed and beaten by the Tide this year!
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No offense, blood, but you've gotten on my soapbox with this comment so you must now hang. :swear: I'm kidding, but still...

Seriously, I might be in the minority, but that whole "on a winning team" argument is the most over-played, ridiculous argument in the world, and I'm sick of sports media pushing it down our throats. To hear fans make those same statements really wrankles me.

A couple of things that we need to think about here are;

(1) The Heisman is a complete joke in the first place. It's nothing more than a beauty contest for football programs. The best player (if you can even evaluate that) rarely if ever, wins the trophy.

(2) The whole concept of having to be the best player ON THE BEST TEAM in the country is a ludicrous criteria to judge by.

Any player, regardless of team, can be the best player in the country. I mean, under this criteria if Bo Jackson had played on a 4-7 Auburn team, but managed to run for 1700 yards and 17 touchdowns he'd be automatically out of the running because he was not on the best team in the country. He'd be penalized for some kind of assumption that because the players surrounding him are not Heisman quality, he must not be either. I'd wager that Bo's Heisman was one of the few instances where they actually got it right for a change.

Again, talking about being the best player on the best team; do you guys remember when Miami was still good a few years ago (under Coker)? Who was the Heisman candidate for the team?

Ken Dorsey.

You know what. Ken Dorsey was not only not the best player in college football, HE WASN'T EVEN THE BEST PLAYER ON HIS OWN TEAM!!! Willis McGahee was the best player on that team. He was an afterthought.

The whole Heisman thing IMHO is a joke. Yeah, in some ways I hope that Ingram wins it because it'd be nice for him and it reflects nicely on the university, but I'm not going to lose sleep over either way because again, I don't really believe in the process anyway. Mark Ingram is not the best player in college football IMHO. But he's one of ours, so best of luck to him, but still.

To say that Gerhart, who is a monster of a running back, doesn't deserve it because he plays at the Duke of the West and they have not won enought games to merit it, is in my humble opinion, a complete ridiculous argument.
 
When Derrick Thomas did not win the award after his absolutely monster year I really quit paying any attention to the award.

My goodness, Thomas had something like 27 sacks that one year alone - and untold QB hurries.

He had more sacks that one year than any other player in SEC history - for a CAREER. I dare say you can count on one hand, with a finger or two left over, the number of NCAA players with more than 27 career sacks. A one-year wonder you might say. Well, he had 18 the year prior.

Thomas just destroyed Penn State in a game at Bryant Denny that year. He made the performance Suh had last week look tame in comparison.

And Thomas finished 10th in the Heisman. Yeah, nine players had better years.
 

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