šŸŒŽ NYT Acknowledges It Was Wrong on Pot Legalization

It Takes Eleven said:
No, nothing else falls into that statement. I said, I don't think it's mentioned in this article, but the Chinese influence in the "legal" pot industry is huge, in the billions.
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So, source. Just like I said for the start.

I know the Chinese don't have any influence on what I partake in and I know damn well it ain't legal. My choice; just like the hairdresser buying a vape from Balik.

I'm being a little on the facetious side with the smell. It's distinctive; as are the strains when they burn. But now we're are getting into the weeds, no pun intended.

There are flowers that, when using a dry herb vaporizer, smell like potpourri when they are burned. And here's where we get into the weeds...smoking a vape, using a THX wax with unknown origins, is a different ballgame than using a dry herb vaporizer even though both are using the same principles: decarboxylation.

Using a flame to smoke weed produces a different smell than using dry heat.

Using a wrap from a cigar is going to stink like a whore's snatch every time (not the best analogy with no piece of that pie.)
 
Here are Chinese articles, one from The Heritage Foundation and the other from NPR. Head in the oven, foot in the fridge, but they both hit on it.


www.heritage.org

Invasion of the Homeland: How Illegal, Chinese-Owned Marijuana Farms Have Consumed Rural America

www.heritage.org www.heritage.org

You may have a discriminating manner in how you source your stuff, but most do not.

This is just another way the Chinese are profiting, and harming, our nation. In both terms Trump has stupidly encouraged Chinese investment in U.S. manufacturing. Auto glass is a good example. They set up a company here, subsidized by Communist China and staffed with illegal Chinese and undercut their U.S. owned competitors. Free link should work:

 
It Takes Eleven said:
Use the same rolling papers for a tobacco cigarette and a joint. One will stink like a cigarette, and the other will stink like a joint.
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Two distinct smells when compared to a blunt. (Personally, those I've seen smoking in public, prefer the latter.)

It's funny you bring this up because I was thinking about smoking cigs a little while ago. You know if I'm drinking I want a smoke or two. I rarely smoke cigs outside of a bar setting. Occasionally.

I looked earlier to see how many packs I've bought this year. Two and have several left of the second. (Same store, only store, and also where the aforementioned Balik works.) I buy American Spirit which cost about the same as a 12 pack of Yeungling. They are organic so in some ways I'm avoiding a lot of the additives.

The funny thing about those is they last three or more times longer than a normal cigarette. Quality avoids a lot of bullshit.

It Takes Eleven said:
You may have a discriminating manner in how you source your stuff, but most do not.
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Which is why from the get-go I mentioned sourcing. It's the wrong word when I read "source my stuff." By source, I meant more along manufacturing.

I know the farm and farmer and have for decades.
 
Krimson said:
Nah, flower still has a funk when smoked in a bowl.
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True. I don't stink the right description for all of them.

Skunk #1 still stinks as bad as it did in the 70's, I'd guess. I know it does now. It takes an indoor controlled grow to get close to 17.

98 Aloha White Widow is skunk and diesel...23 though.

Is Pine a bad smell? Fruit? Gruntz, like a lot of good wines, carries a berry/candy smell. Earth, more than a "skunk." 25-35.

Back to the point, sort of... @It Takes Eleven

When you get into these strains you aren't smelling them at King and Broad.


Analogy, of sorts. I'd rather have a Yeungling out of a bottle than draft. They both smell and taste differently.
 
It Takes Eleven said:
You may have a discriminating manner in how you source your stuff, but most do not.
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How many people do you know who regularly use pot? I would say most of the ones I know are very particular about their products because they want consistency. You're always going to have people who don't care as they just want to get high, same as you'll always have people buying the cheapest alcohol as they just want the drunk but they're not the majority imo. As with any drug, it can be used irresponsibly but I don't believe it's abused by the majority either.

A big part of people's issues with weed is the lack of policing the use. Most places don't allow you to walk down the sidewalk with an open container and you sure can't openly drink and drive, I assume the same laws would apply to weed. If public usage was treated the same as alcohol would that change your perspective?
 
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Krimson said:
How many people do you know who regularly use pot? I would say most of the ones I know are very particular about their products because they want consistency. You're always going to have people who don't care as they just want to get high, same as you'll always have people buying the cheapest alcohol as they just want the drunk but they're not the majority imo. As with any drug, it can be used irresponsibly but I don't believe it's abused by the majority either.

A big part of people's issues with weed is the lack of policing the use. Most places don't allow you to walk down the sidewalk with an open container and you sure can't openly drink and drive, I assume the same laws would apply to weed. If public usage was treated the same as alcohol would that change your perspective?
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Well, itā€™s a $100 billion industry, so I doubt everyone sources through a boutique, familiar and reliable source. I agree that if there were similar controls over where when how you use, such as not being high when you go to work, it would change my perspective to some degree. The reality is that it is destructive to society, just like alcohol is destructive to society, other drugs, when abused are detrimental to society, and gambling is absolutely destructive to society. Typically, people will defend their own vices.
 
It Takes Eleven said:
Well, itā€™s a $100 billion industry, so I doubt everyone sources through a boutique, familiar and reliable source. I agree that if there were similar controls over where when how you use, such as not being high when you go to work, it would change my perspective to some degree. The reality is that it is destructive to society, just like alcohol is destructive to society, other drugs, when abused are detrimental to society, and gambling is absolutely destructive to society. Typically, people will defend their own vices.
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Most people have vices and most people defend them. I didn't use marijuana for 25 years because it wasn't allowed in the military but I did use and at times abuse alcohol. As I've gotten older I'm much less apt to have 1 too many. Marijuana was a much better alternative for me, I've never been or even met anyone who was addicted and I've never done anything stupid while partaking but it wasn't legal so I used the legal alternative. I'm pro legal marijuana but I'm also pro sensible laws. I don't believe you should be able to smell it coming from every 10th vehicle going down the rd but that's a policing issue imo. You can be tested to see if you're high at work or while driving, again lack of enforcement. If it were policed correctly I think many people would have less issues.

I understand it's a large industry but I'd bet it's much safer now than when most were buying from a dealer or off the streets. Roughly 80% are buying a legal product that has some oversight where that couldn't be the case a few years ago.

Many things can be destructive to human society when abused. What's the obesity rate in the US? I can guarantee that obesity costs US taxpayers more than marijuana but it's not the food that's destructive it's the abuse. Moderation is the key to most things but as people we want to blame our or other's lack of self control on someone else rather than taking responsibility.
 
It Takes Eleven said:
The reality is that it is destructive to society, just like alcohol is destructive to society, other drugs, when abused are detrimental to society, and gambling is absolutely destructive to society. Typically, people will defend their own vices.
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The "open air" users you've referred to? I would definitely call those abusers; in more than a single sense. My definition of recreational use is strict involving more than one thing.
 
Krimson said:
Most people have vices and most people defend them. I didn't use marijuana for 25 years because it wasn't allowed in the military but I did use and at times abuse alcohol. As I've gotten older I'm much less apt to have 1 too many. Marijuana was a much better alternative for me, I've never been or even met anyone who was addicted and I've never done anything stupid while partaking but it wasn't legal so I used the legal alternative. I'm pro legal marijuana but I'm also pro sensible laws. I don't believe you should be able to smell it coming from every 10th vehicle going down the rd but that's a policing issue imo. You can be tested to see if you're high at work or while driving, again lack of enforcement. If it were policed correctly I think many people would have less issues.

I understand it's a large industry but I'd bet it's much safer now than when most were buying from a dealer or off the streets. Roughly 80% are buying a legal product that has some oversight where that couldn't be the case a few years ago.

Many things can be destructive to human society when abused. What's the obesity rate in the US? I can guarantee that obesity costs US taxpayers more than marijuana but it's not the food that's destructive it's the abuse. Moderation is the key to most things but as people we want to blame our or other's lack of self control on someone else rather than taking responsibility.
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You're right, there are plenty of abuses to go around. The $100 billion number estimates that the majority of that is through the gray or black markets, with the lion's share run by Chinese organized crime, so I'm not thinking quality control is a high priority for the majority of what is consumed.

Obesity is a leading vice/condition, and its costs are astronomical. What has caused tremendous concern on the marijuana front is that legalization was believed to be a means to keep users from the legal system. What it's done is explode use, with the abuses and consequences just now coming to light. The liberals at the NYT - if you read their meandering conversation in the second article - aren't quite sure how to put the genie back in the bottle.
 
It Takes Eleven said:
You're right, there are plenty of abuses to go around. The $100 billion number estimates that the majority of that is through the gray or black markets, with the lion's share run by Chinese organized crime, so I'm not thinking quality control is a high priority for the majority of what is consumed.

Obesity is a leading vice/condition, and its costs are astronomical. What has caused tremendous concern on the marijuana front is that legalization was believed to be a means to keep users from the legal system. What it's done is explode use, with the abuses and consequences just now coming to light. The liberals at the NYT - if you read their meandering conversation in the second article - aren't quite sure how to put the genie back in the bottle.
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I tried, couldn't get through it. We tried prohibition, it didn't work. Imo what should've happened was it being federally legalized with set laws, just like alcohol. I don't think the genie ever goes back and anyone with half a brain would've known legalized weed would bring more users. I'd like to know how many of those users were using something else like alcohol as their primary form of drug and switched and how many users are still using other drugs for recreation. That would be more interesting to me than just how many people have tried it since legalization. I'm a monthly user for the most part and, like my alcohol use now, it's for a mellow relaxation not too see how high i can get. Point is, there's no perfect answer but good laws and good enforcement is the best option imo.
 
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