🏈 My problems with the play calling.

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First I want to say that I have alot of respect for McElwain and I think he does a good job.

But I found myself thinking about the game and the calling that went into it.It is not really anything specific like the goal line stand or anything, it makes you wonder about it but I can live with it.

First, at the Ole Miss game McElroy started his struggles, and they peaked against South Carolina. Every player goes through a slump at some point, and after such a hot start I figured it must've caught up with him. This limited our passing game obviously, but my problem is how easy it carries over into his calling into the next game.

Against Tennessee, I thought McElroy looked alot better. He wasn't all back, but he had made some progress. He was feeling pressure, and dumping off when he had to(I don't give a rats ass what Danielson says, that pocket was about to collapse) He had the pocket presence we are used to seeing.

Yet, we didn't choose to take advantage of it. We tried only one deep throw, it was to Julio, and it was a foot away from a touchdown.

Ingram was HOT, the statistics dont show it, but if you saw it, you'd have realized how he was a tackle away from breaking a big one almost every time, he deserved a few more touches than what he got.

Championship teams make championship plays, we see this all the time with our D when they choose to blitz, else wed play zone coverage the entire game.

There is no doubt in my mind that the offense is championship caliber, the guys are brimming with talent. What I worry about is that at times McElwain seems to forget that, and just goes with what is working until our opponents adjust, and then him taking away more until the opponents make another adjustment .........

Like with what happened last year. So I wish he'd take the shots when they are there, and not worry about our ability to execute it last game.


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I kinda rambled, I hope I made sense.

EDIT to clarify the main point and to sound a bit like Saban:

We need to be consistent in all areas of the offense in order to be effective. Making explosive plays means taking risks, whether it be an interception or a sack or fumble or whatever. Championship teams make those plays, sometimes not always, but at key moments they do. We have an offense that can make those plays, and to do so makes us a better team.

The purpose of this post is to suggest that we call more of them, because in this day nd age a great D isnt enough. Playing it safe like we did with Tennessee will ultimately get us beat. The goal line play calllng isnt the problem IMO, its that we arent opening it up, despite being capable Saturday.
 
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IMO, Bama has a lot of things to fine tune this week in practice. Its good because players with minor injuries have a chance to heal and McElroy will have a chance to work on his reads and timing.

My problem with the play calling is we rammed the ball down the viles throats running the ball but we got in the red zone and start throwing the ball. CNS knows what play is being run and as head coach can veto it at any time I would think. This is a good week to have a break to work on some things.
 
I couldn't understand why we kept throwing it on 3rd and two from the 5, course if Julio catches it at the goaline its a TD, but Mark was killing UT in the wildcat why not run him a little more in the red zone esp. inside the 10. Also, seems to me Greg is locking on Julio more, I know Julio need touches, but seemed like the passing was better when Greg was distributing it around more to Hanks and Maze more. Also, seems like we are not throwing to Mark out of the backfield as much either. Coach Saban was right when he said we have a lot of weapons that need to be utalized, hopefully the week off will get some things sorted out. Need to have a good game against LSU, really need to beat them to pretty much secure the west IMO.
 
Some very weird (or bad is a better way to put it IMO) play calling. Ingram should have gotten the ball down on the 4 yard line. He gets the first down if he is given the ball twice IMO. If he gets it 3 more times its a TD IMO. (most likely he wouldnt need that many plays but they would been there if needed)

The other odd call IMO was going for it early in the game near midfield. I punt that ball deep and let UTs offense have the damn thing. Crompton at this point was just as likely to have given us a TO.


I was happy we decided to get Julio the ball in a quick direct pass style a few times. It worked for 6 and 7 yards the majority of times too.
 
I felt we should of brought in big cody on that goal line stand. We would of easily picked up the extra yard or hell maybe even busted into the endzone with him leading the way. That is the one that really had me wondering "what are we doing?".
 
Well, to be specific with the situation, you have to remember what got you there.

In Saban's PC, he made direct mention that we played to conservatively. My ultimate point is to call the kind of plays champions can make, while adjusting midgame to what is working, instead of just sticking with the gameplan.

Because we left a ton of things we couldve done untouched. This goes beyond just the goal line play calling, which I said I could live with since I think we shouldve made those plays. Didnt work out is all.
 
Just my thoughts. Its the constant rotation of formations. Pistol, Wildcat, Single back. Nothing consistent. Yes we need to give different looks but as everyone has mentioned Ingram was killing them in the Wildcat. There was never a good adjustment on Tennessee's part. The speed of the game is not the problem in my opinion, none of these defenses have been as quick as VT's. We need to quit being cute and run the ball down there throats. Play action pass and bam we score. This is a championship caliber defense that has proved they can play week after week. On another note, great win and great heart by Mount Cody to seal the deal.
 
Has anyone considered that a big part of our gameplan was hurt with Peek's injury. Not only our leading receiver but a key part of our offense. He was scratched right before the game and I am willing to bet he was to be a BIG part of our game and we had no time to adjust.

I mean, come on guys. We have won 20 regular season games in a row now? That doesn't happen by accident. I won't make an excuse and just say it seemed McElwain called a pretty weak game. I'm willing to bet Peek's injury hurt us worse than most think........for some reason. McElwin has done a pretty darn solid job for the most part and Pendry has been nothing short of awesome. I think they have earned a pass.
 
Has anyone considered that a big part of our gameplan was hurt with Peek's injury. Not only our leading receiver but a key part of our offense. He was scratched right before the game and I am willing to bet he was to be a BIG part of our game and we had no time to adjust.

I mean, come on guys. We have won 20 regular season games in a row now? That doesn't happen by accident. I won't make an excuse and just say it seemed McElwain called a pretty weak game. I'm willing to bet Peek's injury hurt us worse than most think........for some reason. McElwin has done a pretty darn solid job for the most part and Pendry has been nothing short of awesome. I think they have earned a pass.
Yes, they are very solid and good at their jobs. I dont know about the other posters in this thread, but I am not trying to slam anyone.

Its just that it is a repeat of last year, where the playbook shrank as the season wore on. That cant happen this year, because we dont have the team that can function with a simplistic offense. We need to take shots downfield to open up running lanes, and that opens the entire playbook. We didnt try that much Saturday and that worries me.

EDIT: When we did this early on, we were setting records on O btw. Tennessee may have a better defense, but guys were getting open deep, we shouldve tried to exploit that more.
 
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When inside the 10, 2nd and 2yrds to go I think, I said to my wife that I would not be surprised if we don't see (a commitment to) 7 straight runs. Three if needed to get the first down and four more to get the touchdown. My thoughts were Cody pounding away on those DLs, or seven shots at the same one (pick the weakest link and use the chance to beat the Hells Bells out of him). Worst case is UT has 96 yards to go...if they can avoid a safety.
 
Watching our second half play calling I felt as if I had been time warped back into the Gene Stallings era. The intent was to run the football, kick the football and then play defense.I agree that our defense is great, but we have too much talent on the offensive side of the ball to go into a shell as we did. It put an enormous amount of pressure on our defense. As CNS said post game, we can't go on being that conservative. With UT having 8 in the box there was no way to get blocking angles on all of them, but there was a lot of single coverage to pick on.
 
Something needs to change on offense. I have seen enough to wonder if McEwain may not be the guy we need.

I used to think he was just a bad playcaller but maybe he doesn't develope QB well either. Both have went backwards under his coaching.
 
Something needs to change on offense. I have seen enough to wonder if McEwain may not be the guy we need.

I used to think he was just a bad playcaller but maybe he doesn't develope QB well either. Both have went backwards under his coaching.

Seriously????

Do you remember JPW under Major Applewhite verses last year? McElroy is a young QB that has started in 8 games. Think back to JPW and some of his mistakes. McElwain is a great coach. We will be fine. The sky is not falling. We have played 3 very tough defenses in a row. It will be another tough one in two weeks. Bama will get some much needed rest and get back on track.
 
Something needs to change on offense. I have seen enough to wonder if McEwain may not be the guy we need.

I used to think he was just a bad playcaller but maybe he doesn't develope QB well either. Both have went backwards under his coaching.


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http://blog.al.com/tide-source/2009/10/saban_says_tide_needs_to_stop.html
BIRMINGHAM -- Alabama football players aren't going to work on free-throw shooting during their bye week, but coach Nick Saban referenced basketball today as he talked about what his team needs to do to improve.
The second-ranked Crimson Tide needs "to get the attitude that we want to be aggressive and play to win and not be worrying about playing to keep from getting beat," Saban told the news media before speaking to the Monday Morning Quarterback Club. The coach's speech was closed to the news media.
"I felt at times in the Tennessee game that's how we were playing. We want to be aggressive, and if we're going to go down, let's go down with guns ablazing. That's how I want everybody to be thinking."
The Tide is coming off a 12-10 victory over Tennessee that wasn't settled until Terrence Cody blocked a 44-yard field-goal attempt on the game's final play.
"The only way you play to lose is you're affected by the circumstances around you," Saban said.
"It's like shooting a foul shot. If I'm shooting a foul shot and it's not really meaningful because of the circumstances in the game and all of a sudden I've got to shoot a foul shot that really is meaningful, we certainly don't want to shoot the foul shot any different than what we would that would give us the best chance to execute it and make it.
"Even though nobody makes 100 percent of them, you still want to be aggressive and focus on how to do it.
Sometimes players will think about how they're doing rather than what they're doing. You've got to focus on what you need to do to be successful at your position. The best way to do it is focus on each play as if it has a history and a life of its own, and block everything else out.
That's why people choke. You hear about people choking? It's good to be good enough to be in a situation where you even can choke, but when you get in that situation, you can't choke. You've got to be able to continue to execute and focus on the right thing, and that's why we always talk about dominate the guy you play against, compete play to play, think about that, focus on that ... take care of your business and your business will take care of you."
During his speech, Saban and his wife, Terry, announced a $250,000 gift over five years to the club's main charity, the Crippled Children's Foundation.

Coach Saban gets it too, we cant continue to underperform like this on offense. Like psychojoe and I think, we have the talent, it just wasnt being exploited.

I hope they let the guns fly against LSU.
 
Look, after reading CNS comments on the QB club meeting, he is going to get after it.

There is nobody I have more confidence at addressing the issue w/ precision accuracy than CNS. LSU better be ready b/c in that game we are going to grab them by the throat long enough to step on their throat.

Not being naive at the issues but I think we are going to see a different team for the remaining 6 games (yes, that # is not a typo).

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!!
 

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