🏈 McCaffrey and Fournette skipped their bowl games-Critics said it would hurt them in the draft. Top 8

[Tidestalker]

But I mean, say he ends up getting $250,000 from the policy... Compare that to a 3-4 year deal as the last pick in first round and you're not in the ball park. Not sure about second round $ but I'm assuming they're still making millions over 3rd and 4th rounders

 

[Tidestalker]

Broncos just took Butt at 145

 

[Tidestalker]

TE Butt to collect $543K after falling to Round 5

 

[TerryP]

TE Butt to collect $543K after falling to Round 5

Also, according to Rovell, that policy cost Butt roughly 25K.

Oh, that 10K per pick? Tax-free.

 

[BamaFan334]

Also, according to Rovell, that policy cost Butt roughly 25K.

Oh, that 10K per pick? Tax-free.

Thought the schools paid these up to a pretty decent amount?

 

[TerryP]

Thought the schools paid these up to a pretty decent amount?

Paid...the premium?

This is all relatively new--the schools being allowed to pay for the premium. By new, I mean in the last year or two. Before that the NCAA helped families secure a loan for the premium. In those cases, the money received was tax-free.

There's still a question if the school pays whether that money is tax free or not. The IRS is still deciding whether or not these monies should be taxed if the school pays. I don't believe that's been decided yet.

Keep in mind there are disability policies, and loss of value policies. Clemson, with Watson, paid for a 5 million disability policy as I recall. (Those are rarely collected on, btw.) Back when this was really in the news last year there were some schools paying, others weren't. The fear was schools would use it as a "come back for another year, if you're hurt, you're covered."

Rovell has been covering this more than any I've seen--may be the only one spending significant time on the stories. Tweet/write him might be the easiest way to find out about Butt (if he actually knows.) I'd assume the school paid Butt's since Rovell says it's tax free.

 

[TUSKtimes]

What I have suspected for years has reared it's ugly head again. It's always been my personal belief that Adam Schefter has been reading my post and transposing almost word for word. I really don't mind him coming over here for free content but at least an occasional shout out to "RollTideBama" seems in order. :think:


Schefter: More players to skip bowls

 

[Tidestalker]

Patiently waiting for stud Juniors to sit out the entire season... I'll say it begins after next year. It's going to happen.

 

[JoshB]

Patiently waiting for stud Juniors to sit out the entire season... I'll say it begins after next year. It's going to happen.

People said Fournette would do that (and you can argue he did it some with the "injuries") but I dont see big name athletes doing that at all. Sitting out one game is a different animal then sitting around for an entire year. Not to mention the coaches, scouts and fellow players that will look at these guys as having zero heart.

 

[Tidestalker]

People said Fournette would do that (and you can argue he did it some with the "injuries") but I dont see big name athletes doing that at all. Sitting out one game is a different animal then sitting around for an entire year. Not to mention the coaches, scouts and fellow players that will look at these guys as having zero heart.

Or an extremely large brain?! lol Scouts sure seem to value less wear & tare...

We shall see. It will only take 1 agent/parent to get through to 1 kid. Seems like the natural progression IMO.

 

[bama alum]

People said Fournette would do that (and you can argue he did it some with the "injuries") but I dont see big name athletes doing that at all. Sitting out one game is a different animal then sitting around for an entire year. Not to mention the coaches, scouts and fellow players that will look at these guys as having zero heart.

Clowney talked a big game about doing just that. I don't see it happening either, especially if a school will have enough brass to revoke a player's scholly for refusing to play a season.

 

[Tidestalker]

Clowney talked a big game about doing just that. I don't see it happening either, especially if a school will have enough brass to revoke a player's scholly for refusing to play a season.

If he's going to sit out his jr year, he would be using it for combine/draft related training anyway... He's about to be a multi millionaire who wouldn't graduate in 3 years anyway. Can't see that having any impact on the decision. (But I agree, college teams SHOULD revoke it)

 

[Tidestalker]

BTW - Does anyone believe Cam Robinson would have gone any lower by sitting out? He certainly didn't help himself this year.

And Jon Allen may have been wise to do so also. His play was never an issue, his health was. He never got right.

 

[TerryP]

Clowney talked a big game about doing just that. I don't see it happening either, especially if a school will have enough brass to revoke a player's scholly for refusing to play a season.

In this whole discussion I've been waiting for the "four year scholarship" side to rear its ugly head. It was said then, Pandora's Box.

 

[alagator]

 

[Tidestalker]

I guess he would've passed on McCaffrey. But Carolina didn't!

 

[TUSKtimes]

BTW - Does anyone believe Cam Robinson would have gone any lower by sitting out? He certainly didn't help himself this year.

And Jon Allen may have been wise to do so also. His play was never an issue, his health was. He never got right.

What exactly did Jonathan Allen do that is so grievous here? He came back and won the Bronco Nagurski award, the Chuck Bednarik award, the Ted Hendrick's trophy and finally the Lombardi award that only one other player has achieved in the history of Bama football, Cornelius Bennett. One could argue he's the most decorated college football player in America, you don't think that will stay with you for a lifetime? He graduated in December and how important is that to a smart guy who obviously cares about his education and his legacy at the university of Alabama? What doors will be opened for a smart Bama graduate who cares about football if his career turns toward coaching or a dozen other things at some point? In reality, he's like the perfect student-athlete that took and received everything offered in the world of academics and college sports.

The rest of this argument is about money. Just money. And he's still a strong first round choice who is now a multimillionaire. I've watched well-paid superstars in every sport take a lot less money in their careers just trying to win something in their sport. You just saw Hightower take millions less to stay with a winner and he has 2 super bowl trophies. What's he saying?

 

[Tidestalker]

What exactly did Jonathan Allen do that is so grievous here? He came back and won the Bronco Nagurski award, the Chuck Bednarik award, the Ted Hendrick's trophy and finally the Lombardi award that only one other player has achieved in the history of Bama football, Cornelius Bennett. One could argue he's the most decorated college football player in America, you don't think that will stay with you for a lifetime? He graduated in December and how important is that to a smart guy who obviously cares about his education and his legacy at the university of Alabama? What doors will be opened for a smart Bama graduate who cares about football if his career turns toward coaching or a dozen other things at some point? In reality, he's like the perfect student-athlete that took and received everything offered in the world of academics and college sports.

The rest of this argument is about money. Just money. And he's still a strong first round choice who is now a multimillionaire. I've watched well-paid superstars in every sport take a lot less money in their careers just trying to win something in their sport. You just saw Hightower take millions less to stay with a winner and he has 2 super bowl trophies. What's he saying?

He didn't do anything "grievous" in my book. Emotion aside, reality based dicussion, there's a good chance he lost millions of dollars over 3-4 years.

If he blows out his knee this summer and never comes back right, the Bronco Nagurski isn't going to buy his moms house or his kids private school.

I commend him for doing what he did. But in heind site was it the smartest BUSINESS DECISION? It would be easy to argue it wasn't.

As far as getting his degree... He didn't need to play football to do that. He could've easily trained and been a student and graduated just the same. Came into the draft healthy and have a better body for a potentially longer NFL career.

You can name Donte Hightower, I can name Trent Richardson.... Bottom line - There are no guarantees. Make the money when you can.

Sooner than later you will see this impact high level prospects finishing their college career. Big business decisions for these kids, and their families. Only a matter of time

 

[BamaFan334]

He didn't do anything "grievous" in my book. Emotion aside, reality based dicussion, there's a good chance he lost millions of dollars over 3-4 years.

If he blows out his knee this summer and never comes back right, the Bronco Nagurski isn't going to buy his moms house or his kids private school.

I commend him for doing what he did. But in heind site was it the smartest BUSINESS DECISION? It would be easy to argue it wasn't.

As far as getting his degree... He didn't need to play football to do that. He could've easily trained and been a student and graduated just the same. Came into the draft healthy and have a better body for a potentially longer NFL career.

You can name Donte Hightower, I can name Trent Richardson.... Bottom line - There are no guarantees. Make the money when you can.

Sooner than later you will see this impact high level prospects finishing their college career. Big business decisions for these kids, and their families. Only a matter of time

A lot of your talk is basically saying, have a killer Freshman and Sophomore season, sit out, and wait till you're draftable in efforts of sustaining health and creating only one high benchmark for yourself. Training can only help so much, game time and reps in between the lines cannot be replicated or simulated. This is exactly why the world is going to hell is because too many people are looking at the "money" aspect of it all and not the entire spectrum. Yeah, use Trent Richardson as an example. He was drafted high due to all he went through at Alabama, signed for a ton of money, and never had the mental aspect of how to handle it. Now look at him, a fraction of the money he once had and a story of family and friend betrayal because he simply wasn't ready mentally. So what does it matter if you lose a few million in draft slots if you can't figure out how to manage it anyways? I'd take $1M and the education (maturity) that would help me preserve it over getting $5M and watching that stack dwindle over the next three years and having nothing later. Jonathan Allen was not a Top 15 pick last year, all speculation. I thought he was a badass, we as Alabama fans knew what he was, but that doesn't mean the NFL valued him that much. So to say he lost value simply by playing another season is a load of garbage. Your whole basis for this is a gamble. The entire NFL draft is a gamble! There is no telling where an early enrollee will get drafted, and there is no telling whether a 4th or 5th year guy will get hurt. The past couple of years have really shown us you never know where a guy will get drafted and never know what a GM is really thinking for his team. Hindsight is 20/20, and I think you are using it too much in this discussion.

 

[Tidestalker]

A lot of your talk is basically saying, have a killer Freshman and Sophomore season, sit out, and wait till you're draftable in efforts of sustaining health and creating only one high benchmark for yourself. Training can only help so much, game time and reps in between the lines cannot be replicated or simulated. This is exactly why the world is going to hell is because too many people are looking at the "money" aspect of it all and not the entire spectrum. Yeah, use Trent Richardson as an example. He was drafted high due to all he went through at Alabama, signed for a ton of money, and never had the mental aspect of how to handle it. Now look at him, a fraction of the money he once had and a story of family and friend betrayal because he simply wasn't ready mentally. So what does it matter if you lose a few million in draft slots if you can't figure out how to manage it anyways? I'd take $1M and the education (maturity) that would help me preserve it over getting $5M and watching that stack dwindle over the next three years and having nothing later. Jonathan Allen was not a Top 15 pick last year, all speculation. I thought he was a badass, we as Alabama fans knew what he was, but that doesn't mean the NFL valued him that much. So to say he lost value simply by playing another season is a load of garbage. Your whole basis for this is a gamble. The entire NFL draft is a gamble! There is no telling where an early enrollee will get drafted, and there is no telling whether a 4th or 5th year guy will get hurt. The past couple of years have really shown us you never know where a guy will get drafted and never know what a GM is really thinking for his team. Hindsight is 20/20, and I think you are using it too much in this discussion.

"Jonathan Allen was not a top 15 pick last year". No sh*t. He was injured.

He came back and played another year, played out of his mind, and still came out injured. He didn't help himself (IMO). EDIT - The debate is whether a healthy Jon Allen without the senior tape could have still gone top 17... I believe so. You obviously disagree.

The best thing you said is the NFL draft is a "gamble". This is exactly right. I don't know how you gamble, but when I gamble, I do the best to put the odds in my favor.

What does put the odds in your favor mean? If you don't play, you won't get injured playing. It's that simple. It's what McCaffrey did, it's what what Fournette did, just on a lower scale. Sitting out the 3 previous months is the same exact idea and makes the same exact sense - LIMIT THE ODDS OF LOSING. This could absolutely limit your chances of stock going up - But when you've got a lottery ticket in your hand, that's OK.

Take the emotion out of the spectrum and it makes plenty of sense.