PhillyGirl
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🏈 Manziel suspended for 1st half of game vs. Rice
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PhillyGirl
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"NCAA investigators faced a challenge if involved brokers would not tell them they provided money to Manziel, which some told me was plan"
- Joe Schad
"Manziel 1st half suspension "closes the book" on Manziel/autograph saga. NCAA acknowledges Manziel did not accept money, source said"
- Brett McMurphy
"The bylaw cited by @billyliucci, 12.5.2.2, indicates he's being punished simply for permitting the use of his name for commercial purpose."
"Eagerly await clarification, but that is a very odd punishment and seems more likely to be from the school than the NCAA."
"Put it this way: If the NCAA had found any proof he took money, even $1, he'd be suspended for longer than a half."
- Stewart Mandel
- Joe Schad
"Manziel 1st half suspension "closes the book" on Manziel/autograph saga. NCAA acknowledges Manziel did not accept money, source said"
- Brett McMurphy
"The bylaw cited by @billyliucci, 12.5.2.2, indicates he's being punished simply for permitting the use of his name for commercial purpose."
"Eagerly await clarification, but that is a very odd punishment and seems more likely to be from the school than the NCAA."
"Put it this way: If the NCAA had found any proof he took money, even $1, he'd be suspended for longer than a half."
- Stewart Mandel
Dez Bryant will see your puppy and raise you a dozen kittens.
bamascw
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I am glad that he is not suspended for our game, I definitely want him in the line up when we play them. That being said, suspending him for half of a game is beyond ridiculous.
If the NCAA could not prove that he violated a rule, why the suspension? If TAMU believes him and thinks he did nothing wrong, why the suspension? If TAMU thinks he did wrong, why only half a game for such an egregious rules violation? No matter how you disect it, it sheds more light on the farce that is the NCAA infractions committee.
If the NCAA could not prove that he violated a rule, why the suspension? If TAMU believes him and thinks he did nothing wrong, why the suspension? If TAMU thinks he did wrong, why only half a game for such an egregious rules violation? No matter how you disect it, it sheds more light on the farce that is the NCAA infractions committee.
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Important to Know Who Suggested Half-Game Suspension for Manziel
Everyone should have assumed that the Johnny Manziel case was going to end with an unsatisfactory whimper rather than a bang. Too many holes to fill plus an increasingly controversial rule meant the odds of widespread agreement with whatever the NCAA decided was unlikely. But just how dissatisfied we should be rests on parsing this paragraph from George Schroeder correctly:
A&M declared Manziel ineligible Wednesday. In addition to the half-game suspension, in order to be reinstated he must address the team regarding lessons learned. Texas A&M will revise its educational process regarding signing autographs for individuals with multiple items. The NCAA accepted those conditions, the school said, based on currently available information and Manziel’s testimony in an interview with investigators.
If Texas A&M proposed the half-game suspension, then so be it. Given the characterization of this as an inadvertent violation that involved no money changing hands, Manziel should be reinstated without suspension. But the NCAA rarely reduces an institution’s self-imposed conditions or penalties (the staff and/or committee may not even have that power). The student-athlete reinstatement staff will sometimes note this though, with language in the secondary violation report that says something like this:
The staff notes that the corrective action imposed by the institution exceeds what the staff would have imposed.
But if a half-game suspension was at all the NCAA staff’s idea, that is ridiculous. The NCAA deals in whole numbers. Positive integers and zero. Playing in one second of a game equals playing in a whole game (in fact a whole season). 30% of a season for medical hardship waivers is rounded up to a whole number. If a penalty is for 10% of the season and that equals 1.2 games, the penalty is rounded up or down depending on other factors.
The NCAA should not deal in fractions of contests. Suspensions of one half, one quarter, one series, or “not starting” should be left to coaches and schools for internal discipline. If Texas A&M wants to suspend Manziel for a half, that is their prerogative. But to the greatest extent possible, the NCAA should not be a party to it.<iframe style="display: none;" allowtransparency="true" id="rufous-sandbox" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>
Important to Know Who Suggested Half-Game Suspension for Manziel http://t.co/zmoGh14QDr #athnet
— John Infante (@John_Infante) August 28, 2013
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In which I am (potentially) enraged by fractions: http://t.co/tlFzKN1n9Y #athnet
— John Infante (@John_Infante) August 28, 2013
<script async="" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>— John Infante (@John_Infante) August 28, 2013
Important to Know Who Suggested Half-Game Suspension for Manziel
Everyone should have assumed that the Johnny Manziel case was going to end with an unsatisfactory whimper rather than a bang. Too many holes to fill plus an increasingly controversial rule meant the odds of widespread agreement with whatever the NCAA decided was unlikely. But just how dissatisfied we should be rests on parsing this paragraph from George Schroeder correctly:
A&M declared Manziel ineligible Wednesday. In addition to the half-game suspension, in order to be reinstated he must address the team regarding lessons learned. Texas A&M will revise its educational process regarding signing autographs for individuals with multiple items. The NCAA accepted those conditions, the school said, based on currently available information and Manziel’s testimony in an interview with investigators.
If Texas A&M proposed the half-game suspension, then so be it. Given the characterization of this as an inadvertent violation that involved no money changing hands, Manziel should be reinstated without suspension. But the NCAA rarely reduces an institution’s self-imposed conditions or penalties (the staff and/or committee may not even have that power). The student-athlete reinstatement staff will sometimes note this though, with language in the secondary violation report that says something like this:
The staff notes that the corrective action imposed by the institution exceeds what the staff would have imposed.
But if a half-game suspension was at all the NCAA staff’s idea, that is ridiculous. The NCAA deals in whole numbers. Positive integers and zero. Playing in one second of a game equals playing in a whole game (in fact a whole season). 30% of a season for medical hardship waivers is rounded up to a whole number. If a penalty is for 10% of the season and that equals 1.2 games, the penalty is rounded up or down depending on other factors.
The NCAA should not deal in fractions of contests. Suspensions of one half, one quarter, one series, or “not starting” should be left to coaches and schools for internal discipline. If Texas A&M wants to suspend Manziel for a half, that is their prerogative. But to the greatest extent possible, the NCAA should not be a party to it.<iframe style="display: none;" allowtransparency="true" id="rufous-sandbox" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>
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bamatommy
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Totally agree.
ElephantStomp
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PhillyGirl
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...um=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national
[h=1]Texas A&M Selling Photos of Johnny Manziel on Webpage Announcing His Suspension[/h]
Oh, the irony :lance:
[h=1]Texas A&M Selling Photos of Johnny Manziel on Webpage Announcing His Suspension[/h]
Oh, the irony :lance:
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