🏈 Mac Jones

[UAgrad93]

Funnier thing is that I posted this story on Facebook and several of my Barner friends chimed in defending the co worker. Saying I should practice what I preach. I responded that I took my L, made a nice congratulatory post, but still we are with you salty ass Barners!!!

 

[#80]

Funnier thing is that I posted this story on Facebook and several of my Barner friends chimed in defending the co worker. Saying I should practice what I preach. I responded that I took my L, made a nice congratulatory post, but still we are with you salty ass Barners!!!

I can handle losing but it's different when it comes them it's twice as bad especially in a game where we should have beat them by at least two TD's.

 

[rocknthefreeworld]

Auburn is a cult. They love Facebook because it lets them pawn off their holier-than-thou BS. I generally avoid associating with Aubies due to their special brand of dumb.

 

[rick4bama]

Mac played a very good game. Better than some on here thought he would.

 

[TerryP]

Also, I felt like there was no reason for us to not run the ball when we got inside their 5.

Silly play call

i not a Sark fan..less today...

Yep, run the damn ball. Najee was running angry in this game.

So why did we move away from Running the ball in 3rd and 4th quarter.

I don't agree that Sark just called an "ok" game.

For some of you that like to bookmark things, here's one. I'm agreeing wholeheartedly with Josh on Sark here.

There was a reason why Sark called the play he did. It was the right call and the entire second half demonstrated why it was the right call. Steele's calls on defense for Auburn on first down in the second half? Run blitz. When Bama threw the ball in those situations the offense moved. Every time Bama ran the ball into it the result was no gain or lost yardage.

What we're left with in this thread is "he should have called a running play into a run blitz." Or, "it was a bad call" which isn't taking into account what Auburn was doing on defense. "It was a bad call" when that call was what was working?

Hell, I'm no savant when it comes to football, play calling, or anything akin. But. It doesn't take a savant of any sort to realize you don't call a play that isn't working and running the ball on first down in the mouth of that defense in that situation was not working.

Context, gentlemen. Context.

 

[alabama mike]

I finally got to watch the game yesterday. Mac in no shape or form lost the game for us. He made some excellent throws in pressure situations, moved up into the pocket well, ran when he needed to run, pass when he needed to pass. The big play that sticks out is the first pick six, the ball just sailed on him, it happens sometimes. Overall, I would give him a solid B+ for the game. I was very impressed with him as our QB.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

@TerryP @BamaBoyJosh
@ others
not criticizing QB play or kicker or any other player....
Tua was / is awesome but in game vs Clemson...ummmm not so..
But not a Sark fan...yep...threw a lot at AU D....but was just saying as NS says....
"Its 1-2 plays a game. That determines outcomes."..
And players have to stay focused...and play calling has to be on target....

 

[Tidestalker]

For some of you that like to bookmark things, here's one. I'm agreeing wholeheartedly with Josh on Sark here.

There was a reason why Sark called the play he did. It was the right call and the entire second half demonstrated why it was the right call. Steele's calls on defense for Auburn on first down in the second half? Run blitz. When Bama threw the ball in those situations the offense moved. Every time Bama ran the ball into it the result was no gain or lost yardage.

What we're left with in this thread is "he should have called a running play into a run blitz." Or, "it was a bad call" which isn't taking into account what Auburn was doing on defense. "It was a bad call" when that call was what was working?

Hell, I'm no savant when it comes to football, play calling, or anything akin. But. It doesn't take a savant of any sort to realize you don't call a play that isn't working and running the ball on first down in the mouth of that defense in that situation was not working.

Context, gentlemen. Context.

How many passes do you think Mac had thrown from under center in an Alabama uniform before that play? Once again, silly for Sark to ask a green QB to do something he has little to no experience doing in that situation.

There are opinions, hypotheticals, woulda/coulda/shoulda's all over every game. But in this case, we know the call, we know the play, we know the outcome. Kind of funny that despite knowing the literal result, you can't admit - IT WAS A BAD CALL.

 

[UAgrad93]

@TerryP @BamaBoyJosh
@ others
not criticizing QB play or kicker or any other player....
Tua was / is awesome but in game vs Clemson...ummmm not so..
But not a Sark fan...yep...threw a lot at AU D....but was just saying as NS says....
"Its 1-2 plays a game. That determines outcomes."..
And players have to stay focused...and play calling has to be on target....

Sark called a helluva game!! 515+ yards on a pretty damn salty D I might add. We had to nickel and dime our way down the field instead getting all of the huge chunk plays that we had gotten throughout the season. I know we did get a few over 30+, but not the 1:20 second drives we have been accustomed to. We dominated TOP with perhaps our largest margin in 5-6 years, 35+ minutes!!! You don’t get any of this had Sark called a bad game. Where we failed in those plays that Saban talks about, occurred on either penalties or the failure of our defense to get a stop on 3rd and long, either via penalty or allowing them to convert.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Sark called a helluva game!! 515+ yards on a pretty damn salty D I might add. We had to nickel and dime our way down the field instead getting all of the huge chunk plays that we had gotten throughout the season. I know we did get a few over 30+, but not the 1:20 second drives we have been accustomed to. We dominated TOP with perhaps our largest margin in 5-6 years, 35+ minutes!!! You don’t get any of this had Sark called a bad game. Where we failed in those plays that Saban talks about, occurred on either penalties or the failure of our defense to get a stop on 3rd and long, either via penalty or allowing them to convert.

I never said “a bad game". I just quoted NS as saying "its 1-2 plays that determines outcomes " or something like that...
Compare it to special teams coaching ... did great...til it was critical...then had to many on field...at critical time... cant just look at numbers
If anything....the D was horrible....while the offense moved the ball...the D gave up to much ...and special teams made plays....

The definition of a bad play....one that doesn’t work
Offense preparedness.... is usually determined by penalties....
special teams...critical errors at critical time
Defense....porous...
Overall coaching....was bad...at critical times..period

 

[UAgrad93]

I never said “a bad game". I just quoted NS as saying "its 1-2 plays that determines outcomes " or something like that...
Compare it to special teams coaching ... did great...til it was critical...then had to many on field...at critical time... cant just look at numbers
If anything....the D was horrible....while the offense moved the ball...the D gave up to much ...and special teams made plays....

The definition of a bad play....one that doesn’t work
Offense preparedness.... is usually determined by penalties....
special teams...critical errors at critical time
Defense....porous...
Overall coaching....was bad...at critical times..period

I know. You just said you weren't a fan of Sarks. I just was pointing out that he called a pretty damn good game and has all year. Thought it might "sway your opinion".

I don't think you can put this on Banks. Yes, he is the special teams coach, BUT he doesn't have the final say as to whether the punt return team, punt safe, or regular defense stays or goes on the field.

 

[TerryP]

But in this case, we know the call, we know the play, we know the outcome. Kind of funny that despite knowing the literal result, you can't admit - IT WAS A BAD CALL

You're saying that in retrospect without any context. You're saying that because it didn't work. What you're not saying is what's missing: what was going on in the game itself.

But, since you're insistent going here answer this question. Is it a bad call for an offensive coordinator to call a running play knowing the run blitz is coming?

 

[TerryP]

Sark called a helluva game!! 515+ yards on a pretty damn salty D I might add.

Not to mention how many times did you read "LSU only managed 23 against Auburn" and Bama ... ah, it's useless.

 

[Tidestalker]

You're saying that in retrospect without any context. You're saying that because it didn't work. What you're not saying is what's missing: what was going on in the game itself.

But, since you're insistent going here answer this question. Is it a bad call for an offensive coordinator to call a running play knowing the run blitz is coming?

So lets get into your point about context...

Since you didn't answer the question I posed to you - How many passes under center have you seen Mac throw at Alabama? Obviously I don't expect you to have the number... But it's pretty reasonable to say it's very few. Meaning minimal experience.

-We have a QB starting his first road game in a top 5 crazy atmosphere, a RB who's having a terrific game, and a 1st and goal from the 2.

-It's 1st down. You have 3 chances to score. It's would behoove the OC to give his team the most likely path to use all 3 chances. A naked bootleg pass does not do that. Take less risks on 1st down.

-You yourself noted the run blitz issue. If the concern was a run blitz, which could easily come off the edge, why would Sark want to put his green QB on the position to turn his head and potentially see an unblocked DE in the backfield? Is that risk necessary?

CONTEXT:

Pros for bootleg pass:
-Catch the Auburn D selling out on the run
-Good pass catching RB
-The RB could fumble a goal line run (Najee has been pretty secure to my knowledge)
-____ Fill in blanks?

Cons for bootleg pass:
-Green starter in 1st road game in extremely high pressure situation
-Our RB and OL are having a high level of success
-QB Rarely, if ever, passes from under center
-Less risk = Potential for more plays
-Potential for unblocked Auburn blitzers (if you are concerned about run blitzing)
-Potential for horizontal pass INT (more likely for Pick 6)
-Potential for Sack & loss of yardage
-Potential for intentional grounding & loss of down & yardage

This is the context you're speaking of. It proved to be a bad call after the fact... But it was a bad call before it played as well.

**And to throw salt in the wound - Even if we run it 3 times and get stuffed.... How does that change the outcome? In Bama fashion we could miss the kick... Auburn gets the ball at the 15. Still not as bad. Or we could actually make the field goal, which would have exponentially changed the win % vs a pick 6 in that situation.

 

[Tidestalker]

And FTR - I think Sark called a terrific game as a whole and have said as much multiple times. But that doesn't mean he didn't make a silly/bad/unfortunate play call. Both things can be true

 

[BamaFan334]

So lets get into your point about context...

Since you didn't answer the question I posed to you - How many passes under center have you seen Mac throw at Alabama? Obviously I don't expect you to have the number... But it's pretty reasonable to say it's very few. Meaning minimal experience.

-We have a QB starting his first road game in a top 5 crazy atmosphere, a RB who's having a terrific game, and a 1st and goal from the 2.

-It's 1st down. You have 3 chances to score. It's would behoove the OC to give his team the most likely path to use all 3 chances. A naked bootleg pass does not do that. Take less risks on 1st down.

-You yourself noted the run blitz issue. If the concern was a run blitz, which could easily come off the edge, why would Sark want to put his green QB on the position to turn his head and potentially see an unblocked DE in the backfield? Is that risk necessary?

CONTEXT:

Pros for bootleg pass:
-Catch the Auburn D selling out on the run
-Good pass catching RB
-The RB could fumble a goal line run (Najee has been pretty secure to my knowledge)
-____ Fill in blanks?

Cons for bootleg pass:
-Green starter in 1st road game in extremely high pressure situation
-Our RB and OL are having a high level of success
-QB Rarely, if ever, passes from under center
-Less risk = Potential for more plays
-Potential for unblocked Auburn blitzers (if you are concerned about run blitzing)
-Potential for horizontal pass INT (more likely for Pick 6)
-Potential for Sack & loss of yardage
-Potential for intentional grounding & loss of down & yardage

This is the context you're speaking of. It proved to be a bad call after the fact... But it was a bad call before it played as well.

**And to throw salt in the wound - Even if we run it 3 times and get stuffed.... How does that change the outcome? In Bama fashion we could miss the kick... Auburn gets the ball at the 15. Still not as bad. Or we could actually make the field goal, which would have exponentially changed the win % vs a pick 6 in that situation.

Even a half ass throw there and Najee scores six. It was just a bad throw, and a bad bounce, not a bad call. Tua threw a pick six on an out route against Clemson, and he can make every throw in the book. So was that a bad play call or just a poor pass/read? Tua fumbling against LSU on the four yard line. Was that a bad call or just a bad bounce of luck that it squirts out of his arm with no contact, after it was tucked?

 

[TerryP]

a RB who's having a terrific game, and a 1st and goal from the 2.

He was not having a great game in the second half with their run blitzes. The only success Bama was having at the time with the running game was to the outside and passing plays.

A goal line situation doesn't free up the outside like you'd see between the 20's.

You're saying "bad call" when the option you're suggesting is running right in the teeth of a defense in a run blitz where they were not having success.
Now, the point you're driving at with "under center" means what in this situation? We're still left with what Auburn was calling on first downs.

 

[BamaFan334]

He was not having a great game in the second half with their run blitzes. The only success Bama was having at the time with the running game was to the outside and passing plays.

A goal line situation doesn't free up the outside like you'd see between the 20's.

You're saying "bad call" when the option you're suggesting is running right in the teeth of a defense in a run blitz where they were not having success.
Now, the point you're driving at with "under center" means what in this situation? We're still left with what Auburn was calling on first downs.

Well I made the point on the game thread that two plays earlier they blitzed and stopped us for a two yard loss when we ran into the teeth of their defense.

 

[Tidestalker]

Even a half ass throw there and Najee scores six. It was just a bad throw, and a bad bounce, not a bad call. Tua threw a pick six on an out route against Clemson, and he can make every throw in the book. So was that a bad play call or just a poor pass/read? Tua fumbling against LSU on the four yard line. Was that a bad call or just a bad bounce of luck that it squirts out of his arm with no contact, after it was tucked?

The throw was bad because the circumstances.... Ball hit dude in the back because an unblocked defender put our green QB in tough situation. If we run the ball, none of this happens due to a number of points made in previous post.

 

[Tidestalker]

Well I made the point on the game thread that two plays earlier they blitzed and stopped us for a two yard loss when we ran into the teeth of their defense.

Even if we get stuffed.......? Again - Risk vs Reward. A first down run makes way more sense