🏈 Lane Kiffin put a premium on elite defense at ⁦ Ole Miss ⁩, and Pete Golding has delivered

[mando]

Id also would like to know how a defense would meet your criteria of having the word "elite" be associated with them? And that goes for anyone else who wants to throw their two cents in on the topic.

@50+yeartidefan mentioned stats and that along with the "nut cutting time" fits the "Elite" standard from my perspective. I have provided these stats in the past that reflect Elite in my eyes:

Rushing D - forget about it the OC knows it is futile to try and run the ball so < 75 ypg
Passing D - < 200 ypg although this one has more vairibiliy when the OC knows they cannot run.
Total D < 275 ypg
Scoreing < 10 ppg
Own the 4th qtr - alot of this is as just as much about the offense especially the running game but it is part of the "nut cutting time" @50+yeartidefan mentioned. A lot about the attitude and mindset also. One that takes it personal when they give up a first down.

I am sure turnovers, sacks and 3rd down efficiency fit into this also but seems like to get the stats above those will have to come.

So in the end Elite is about results and I believe the stats above reflect results. I know some like to talk efficiency. I have not really studied that to see how it relates to the bottom line results but I am sure it does.

I am sure others will say these numbers are impossible in todays era and that is the point there has not been an elite D is awhile.

 

[BamaFan334]

Might want to grab a dictionary, Casey. The word, by definition, refers to a group.

Ok, fair enough. BUT, also an extremely small percentage. Not all college programs are equal, so I don't consider Top 15 or 20, elite, especially with a SOS not very demanding.

 

[musso]

Terry … if you can be candid and sincere for one moment rather than evasive …

Where, in this thread, is there something that isn't newsworthy?

Nothing I said questioned newsworthiness. Again, evasive. I’d like it if you responded to the gist of my post which followed the small part you quoted. @Brandon Van de Graaff notwithstanding, we can all say that you unabashedly take pride in trolling. The question I have is if it’s rewarding monetarily or merely psychologically.

 

[TerryP]

Nothing I said questioned newsworthiness. Again, evasive. I’d like it if you responded to the gist of my post which followed the small part you quoted. @Brandon Van de Graaff notwithstanding, we can all say that you unabashedly take pride in trolling. The question I have is if it’s rewarding monetarily or merely psychologically.

And you still haven't explained how a national story is trolling. As mentioned earlier, I'd have done the same thing for Durkin.

There are eight top stories for CFB on ESPN and we're talking about six of them here.

IF watching and commenting on what's happening inside the SEC is trolling? I'm your chief troll, your huckleberry.

 

[Scrape&Search1032]

I'm your chief troll, your huckleberry.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

And you still haven't explained how a national story is trolling. As mentioned earlier, I'd have done the same thing for Durkin.

There are eight top stories for CFB on ESPN and we're talking about six of them here.

IF watching and commenting on what's happening inside the SEC is trolling? I'm your chief troll, your HUCKLEBERRY HOUND.

 

[musso]

And you still haven't explained how a national story is trolling.

You’re obfuscating. The newsworthiness of a story doesn’t make or break the act of trolling. What matters is that you know this is a contentious issue in this forum, which you yourself have had spirited debates on. It would be one thing if it was presently being discussed or debated and you added this link into an ongoing thread. However it’s something else to post something in the hope of reigniting this debate, which you’re certainly free to do. Again I say, I’m not criticizing you; I’m merely asking about your motivation. No need to be defensive or evasive. I’ll ask again, are you compensated in some way by stimulating participation, or is this merely a “passion project” because you have the luxury of lots of spare time?

 

[Crimson&WhiteGecko]

You’re obfuscating. The newsworthiness of a story doesn’t make or break the act of trolling. What matters is that you know this is a contentious issue in this forum, which you yourself have had spirited debates on. It would be one thing if it was presently being discussed or debated and you added this link into an ongoing thread. However it’s something else to post something in the hope of reigniting this debate, which you’re certainly free to do. Again I say, I’m not criticizing you; I’m merely asking about your motivation. No need to be defensive or evasive. I’ll ask again, are you compensated in some way by stimulating participation, or is this merely a “passion project” because you have the luxury of lots of spare time?

I can't speak to Terry's motivation for this particular subject but I do think most on here appreciate a good discussion based on relevant data not jut conjecture. I must admit when I saw & read the article, I wasn't too surprised but I was surprised. I come from the camp that Golding was good but not great. So I can mull over the argument (that Terry has been pretty insistent that Golding is a great, dare I say Elite) & objectively evaluate the facts on Golding.

But until I see his defense produce a 2012 defense or a Jawja level 2021 defense, I won't concede ELITE status. Good, certainly but NOT great & definately not elite.

However, good discussion & I'll tip my hat to Golding for doing well in the stat categories.

 

[musso]

Terry has been pretty insistent that Golding is a great, dare I say Elite

My recollection was that Terry has argued only that Golding didn’t deserve the amount of criticism sent his way. But I could be wrong

 

[50+yeartidefan]

My recollection was that Terry has argued only that Golding didn’t deserve the amount of criticism sent his way. But I could be wrong

PG. failed at critical times.

 

[Justneedme81]

How did I miss this thread? What happened?!

 

[TerryP]

So I can mull over the argument (that Terry has been pretty insistent that Golding is a great, dare I say Elite) & objectively evaluate the facts on Golding.

I pointed to defensive efficiency, very often. I said the criticism was often knee-jerk and more so arguments without context.

When you are looking at efficiency numbers that is the definition of "objectively evaluating."

 

[Justneedme81]

Reminder to everyone....

What's the difference between defense in T town and Ole miss?

Answer: Nick Saban.

 

[TerryP]

PG. failed at critical times.

Name a defensive coordinator that doesn't. Third and Kirby, anyone?

It's very similar to someone I know incessantly complaining about an INT against Auburn when the fault was found with the TE missing his assignment: not the QB, OC ...

 

[musso]

PG. failed at critical times.

I’ve tended to fault Saban in recent years more than our DC. IMO our DBs got worse and worse in Saban’s latter years, particularly in one-on-one. It just seemed like to me no one had the balls to tell the GOAT that he needed to give up his precious project of coaching the DBs to someone else.

 

[BamaFan334]

You’re obfuscating.

 

[TerryP]

I’ve tended to fault Saban in recent years more than our DC. IMO our DBs got worse and worse in Saban’s latter years, particularly in one-on-one. It just seemed like to me no one had the balls to tell the GOAT that he needed to give up his precious project of coaching the DBs to someone else.

@Crimson&WhiteGecko This is related to something else I've pointed to when he was here.

We can go back to early on in Saban's career at Bama and find offenses beating coverage. More often than not, it was a guy slipping through the flats with the MONEY guy covering; sometimes we'd see the NICKEL. Matchups beat those secondaries. (See the first UT loss and the seniority they had with their WR corps.)

Very close to scheme ... depth.

I've mentioned this in the fall camp thread. This secondary very likely could be better than any we saw under Saban. And, that falls down to the talent being equal, but far more abundant today. You know how Saban was about playing guys...didn't see a lot of rotation.

And, to add...

A lot of the miscues we've seen from the secondary can be attributed to lack of defensive line production. There hasn't been an A'shawn and Bama isn't sending guys to the league like they have in the past from that position group.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

I’ve tended to fault Saban in recent years more than our DC. IMO our DBs got worse and worse in Saban’s latter years, particularly in one-on-one. It just seemed like to me no one had the balls to tell the GOAT that he needed to give up his precious project of coaching the DBs to someone else.

What u say may be on-spot....but...Bama/Saban Sure put a lot of DBs in league....

 

[50+yeartidefan]

@Crimson&WhiteGecko This is related to something else I've pointed to when he was here.

We can go back to early on in Saban's career at Bama and find offenses beating coverage. More often than not, it was a guy slipping through the flats with the MONEY guy covering; sometimes we'd see the NICKEL. Matchups beat those secondaries. (See the first UT loss and the seniority they had with their WR corps.)

Very close to scheme ... depth.

I've mentioned this in the fall camp thread. This secondary very likely could be better than any we saw under Saban. And, that falls down to the talent being equal, but far more abundant today. You know how Saban was about playing guys...didn't see a lot of rotation.

And, to add...

A lot of the miscues we've seen from the secondary can be attributed to lack of defensive line production. There hasn't been an A'shawn and Bama isn't sending guys to the league like they have in the past from that position group.

But. There arent a lot of A'Shawns around!!! ... may be one reason

 

[TerryP]

But. There arent a lot of A'Shawns around!!! ... may be one reason

You haven't seen someone like Q move up through the system.

A lot of eyes are on the defensive line this fall: some harsh ones.