🏈 Kines retired...

[planomateo]

dang, http://www.tidesports.com/article/20091231/NEWS/912319993/1011?Title=Joe-Kines-retires

 

[Tideboy]

Always loved that guy. He was interview gold. My favorite comments from him were to the sideline reporter at halftime when he was the interim coach against Okie St.

"WEJUSTGOTTASTOPTHATLITTLEINSIDETRAP!!!!!"

 

[alagator]

Kines was a relic of the 1960s in defensive philosophy.

He was the king of the 'bend but do not break' style of play. For success, this style depended on the belief that the other team was not patient enough or good enough to execute play-after-play before making a critical unforced mistake. Especially opposing QBs.

This was a valid philosophy in the 1960s and 1970s. And was even helped by opposing coaches who more often than not asked their offenses (especially QBs) more to not make mistakes than to make plays. When offenses started to actually play offense with their offenses Kines could only exceed when he had exceptionally exceptional talent.

His style of defense actually bleed the passion out of the game for his defensive troops. They were coached to contain instead of attack. Anyone who ever played defense knows you want to dominate and not merely hinder the progress of your opponent. And it also bleed the life out of the offensive side of the ball too - allowed opponents to often milk the clock. And the fans as well.

There is a reason Kines was a general failure recruiting top-notch (Demeco was far more an exception than a rule) LBers to his teams. At FSU, the better LBers ran away from the program while he was there, and mostly did the same to his Alabama teams. If you remember, the most critical weakness on the team when Saban arrived was the abject lack of talent and depth in the LBer ranks. We now have LBers incapable of getting mere playing time at UA now that would have been featured players under Kines. Great LBers want to play in schemes that attack and create havoc.

Great guy I am sure. Humorous for certain. A championship level coach and coordinator, no way.

 

[Kozlowski]

Couldnt agree more, Gator.

Ill never forget 4th and 19 and Kines dropping two players out in the flats in a zone 8 yards off the LOS. (thus us really only playing with 9 players)
:wife::wife:

 

[TidePride50]

Kines was a relic of the 1960s in defensive philosophy.

He was the king of the 'bend but do not break' style of play. For success, this style depended on the belief that the other team was not patient enough or good enough to execute play-after-play before making a critical unforced mistake. Especially opposing QBs.

This was a valid philosophy in the 1960s and 1970s. And was even helped by opposing coaches who more often than not asked their offenses (especially QBs) more to not make mistakes than to make plays. When offenses started to actually play offense with their offenses Kines could only exceed when he had exceptionally exceptional talent.

His style of defense actually bleed the passion out of the game for his defensive troops. They were coached to contain instead of attack. Anyone who ever played defense knows you want to dominate and not merely hinder the progress of your opponent. And it also bleed the life out of the offensive side of the ball too - allowed opponents to often milk the clock. And the fans as well.

There is a reason Kines was a general failure recruiting top-notch (Demeco was far more an exception than a rule) LBers to his teams. At FSU, the better LBers ran away from the program while he was there, and mostly did the same to his Alabama teams. If you remember, the most critical weakness on the team when Saban arrived was the abject lack of talent and depth in the LBer ranks. We now have LBers incapable of getting mere playing time at UA now that would have been featured players under Kines. Great LBers want to play in schemes that attack and create havoc.

Great guy I am sure. Humorous for certain. A championship level coach and coordinator, no way.

I don't disagree at all, but for some reason I still love the guy.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBkZO6WQ278[/ame]

 

[psychojoe]

While Kines never had a reputation as a great recruiter, in his first stint he did get a pretty fair linebacker in Derrick Thomas. I know that Kines coached the bend but don't break philosophy especially in the eighties. Still, I have this mental picture of Cornelius Bennett leveling Steve Beuerlein in 1986 and I get amused. I wonder if Beuerlein thought he was bent or broken after that epic sack. The scholarship limits hampered recruiting severely during his second tenure at Bama. Kines or whoever recruited DeMeco must have seen a diamond in the rough. DeMeco was just a two or three star recruit who was considerd as too small to play linebacker at the college level. He certainly developed DeMeco into a star, taking advantage of the youngster's great speed and quickness, as well as his intelligence.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

Couldnt agree more, Gator.

Ill never forget 4th and 19 and Kines dropping two players out in the flats in a zone 8 yards off the LOS. (thus us really only playing with 9 players)
:wife::wife:

I would have never believed the final "4th and 19" post of 2009 would occur on December 31st.

Here's to a 4th and 19-free 2010...

 

[alagator]

While Kines never had a reputation as a great recruiter, in his first stint he did get a pretty fair linebacker in Derrick Thomas. I know that Kines coached the bend but don't break philosophy especially in the eighties. Still, I have this mental picture of Cornelius Bennett leveling Steve Beuerlein in 1986 and I get amused. I wonder if Beuerlein thought he was bent or broken after that epic sack. The scholarship limits hampered recruiting severely during his second tenure at Bama. Kines or whoever recruited DeMeco must have seen a diamond in the rough. DeMeco was just a two or three star recruit who was considerd as too small to play linebacker at the college level. He certainly developed DeMeco into a star, taking advantage of the youngster's great speed and quickness, as well as his intelligence.

As I said, there are exceptions to the general rule. Generally, that is always true.

There were no scholarship restrictions when he was the LBer coach recruiting to FSU. There were some really good players that wanted to go to FSU but choose UF and The U instead because of Kines' presence on that staff. When he left, they had one LBer anyone else in Florida really wanted (and good God that player was a borderline criminal). Take any one of Saban's first three LBer classes at Alabama and you will see more quality players than Kines was able to attract in four years combined.

I laughed at many of Kines' interviews and quotes. In many cases to keep from crying. I prefer a kick-butt defense over a funny quote any day.