🏈 Josh Rosen running his yapper again, and mentions Alabama.

[BamaFan334]

I wish someone will knock the nose off this kid. No one in the Pac-12 has a defense capable of decking him, but maybe Texas A&M can do something first game of the year. This guy is as arrogant as I've seen, save for Miami back in the 80's when I was young or the Boz. Clearly has the almighty dollar at the forefront and seemingly thinks his professional career is going to take off unlike his college one. He's gonna need that degree, because I have a suspicion he is not going to have a long NFL career. I know some on here agree with him, but I think most of us understand the power and leverage of a degree. I mean, look at the number of guys that do come back to school after turning pro. Sure, it's not 100% return rate, but even some coming back shows the importance to them and what they want to accomplish. They are saying it's not a swipe at Alabama, but for him to be dumb enough to call us out alone and not know our graduation rates and all that is going on here deserves the backlash he receives.

Josh Rosen: Football and school like dueling full-time jobs

 

[OldPlayer]

I don't think, and neither do others, that he was targeting Alabama. He was just using Alabama as an example of a major football program. He's correct in saying that academics and athletics don't mix in major college sports. Sometimes specific classes you need for graduation are only offered during practice time. Neither the college or the athletic team will change their schedule to accommodate the athlete.

 

[UAgrad93]

I had issue at first, but then I read the article and that comment was taken out of context. Like @OldPlayer said, BAMA was used as the example mainly because WE have been the GOLD STANDARD for so long. I would imagine that if it were Ohio State, Clemson, FSU, or some other program on the run that BAMA is experiencing, then he would have used that school.

 

[BamaFan334]

I don't think, and neither do others, that he was targeting Alabama. He was just using Alabama as an example of a major football program. He's correct in saying that academics and athletics don't mix in major college sports. Sometimes specific classes you need for graduation are only offered during practice time. Neither the college or the athletic team will change their schedule to accommodate the athlete.

I don't think he "targeted" us, but I do think he made a point to say that are guys aren't here for academics or smart enough to qualify. More like a slight. Why didn't he use his cross town rival that has a history of winning and some hype around Clay Helton? I just think it was a little knock on us without technically calling us out. Football players get special classes and opportunities that normal students don't, so to say they don't go together is misleading. Sure, there are always classes given at specific times, semesters, and such, but that's just the breaks, we all had to deal with it. If that class filled up, us regular students were left holding empty hands too, not just the athletes. There are multiple contributing factors to it all. Countless of our boys graduate and get Master's degrees while playing. If Da'Shawn Hand is majoring in Engineering, Barrett Jones got a Bachelor and Master's in Accountancy, and countless others in Philosophy, General Studies, and all that, the education side seemed to work for them.

 

[Tidestalker]

I had issue at first, but then I read the article and that comment was taken out of context. Like @OldPlayer said, BAMA was used as the example mainly because WE have been the GOLD STANDARD for so long. I would imagine that if it were Ohio State, Clemson, FSU, or some other program on the run that BAMA is experiencing, then he would have used that school.

What I was thinking too.... And I don't personally know what the difference between SAT scores/standards are to get into UCLA vs Alabama. If there's a legit difference, maybe he makes a decent point?

 

[JoshB]

There's a lot of merit to what he said. Not necessarily the implication that Alabama players were dumb (and I dont think he was implying that) but the schedules that these guys have to keep up.

 

[sean]

nobody is forcing these guys to play football or even go to college. if you don't want to do what is necessary, then don't. quit playing football, drop out of college, and go get a job.

and to speak against another statement in the article....

i don't think we're the most powerful program in college sports.

 

[OldPlayer]

I don't think he "targeted" us, but I do think he made a point to say that are guys aren't here for academics or smart enough to qualify. More like a slight. Why didn't he use his cross town rival that has a history of winning and some hype around Clay Helton? I just think it was a little knock on us without technically calling us out. Football players get special classes and opportunities that normal students don't, so to say they don't go together is misleading. Sure, there are always classes given at specific times, semesters, and such, but that's just the breaks, we all had to deal with it. If that class filled up, us regular students were left holding empty hands too, not just the athletes. There are multiple contributing factors to it all. Countless of our boys graduate and get Master's degrees while playing. If Da'Shawn Hand is majoring in Engineering, Barrett Jones got a Bachelor and Master's in Accountancy, and countless others in Philosophy, General Studies, and all that, the education side seemed to work for them.

Players still have to make progress towards a degree. The APR ratings punish schools that don't get their players to graduate and if a player can't take a course, they don't graduate. The special treatment players get today is all expense paid trips to away games, a fulltime academic support group (although other students can participate in similar offerings within individual colleges within a university), the ability to miss a class if travel to away games requires them to leave early (but they still have to make up the work). The basket weaving major has been eliminated.

 

[Che Boludo]

I wish someone will knock the nose off this kid. No one in the Pac-12 has a defense capable of decking him, but maybe Texas A&M can do something first game of the year. This guy is as arrogant as I've seen, save for Miami back in the 80's when I was young or the Boz. Clearly has the almighty dollar at the forefront and seemingly thinks his professional career is going to take off unlike his college one. He's gonna need that degree, because I have a suspicion he is not going to have a long NFL career. I know some on here agree with him, but I think most of us understand the power and leverage of a degree. I mean, look at the number of guys that do come back to school after turning pro. Sure, it's not 100% return rate, but even some coming back shows the importance to them and what they want to accomplish. They are saying it's not a swipe at Alabama, but for him to be dumb enough to call us out alone and not know our graduation rates and all that is going on here deserves the backlash he receives.

Josh Rosen: Football and school like dueling full-time jobs

He wasn't targeting Bama, but Rosen should have done a bit more homework before trying to make a point.

Although a 2008 report:Report: Athletes’ test scores lag behind class

UCLA has won more NCAA championships in all sports than any other school and had the biggest gap between the average SAT scores of athletes in all sports and its overall student body, at 247 points

Data from the same report at different link: The Admissions Gap for Big-Time Athletes

Even when UA was in the desperate probation years, it admitted football players with an avg. 926 SAT while the elite, high standard UCLA was admitting football players with a 935 SAT avg ... a whopping 9 pts difference.

However, as noted in the first point, that admission standard gap from regular students to "student" athletes is bigger at UCLA than any other school.

Special admission standards and cluster athlete degree programs are the norm for all major sports schools. I fully understand why he chose UA as they are on top of the college football world, and it plays into a national narrative about weak Southern academics and corrupt athletics, but he should have been a bit more introspective in his assessment.

All sports programs are corrupt to some degree. The vast majority of all athletes in major sports in colleges receive admissions privileges over the normal student. But, when your school leads the way in providing those privileges, according to latest info available, ... shut the fuck up or own it.

 

[BamaFan334]

He wasn't targeting Bama, but Rosen should have done a bit more homework before trying to make a point.

Although a 2008 report:Report: Athletes’ test scores lag behind class

Data from the same report at different link: The Admissions Gap for Big-Time Athletes

Even when UA was in the desperate probation years, it admitted football players with an avg. 926 SAT while the elite, high standard UCLA was admitting football players with a 935 SAT avg ... a whopping 9 pts difference.

However, as noted in the first point, that admission standard gap from regular students to "student" athletes is bigger at UCLA than any other school.

Special admission standards and cluster athlete degree programs are the norm for all major sports schools. I fully understand why he chose UA as they are on top of the college football world, and it plays into a national narrative about weak Southern academics and corrupt athletics, but he should have been a bit more introspective in his assessment.

All sports programs are corrupt to some degree. The vast majority of all athletes in major sports in colleges receive admissions privileges over the normal student. But, when your school leads the way in providing those privileges, according to latest info available, ... shut the **** up or own it.

As arrogant as he is the part I find interesting is that he mentioned a school all the way across the country and a team he has never played, visited, or even been on the same level as. I get we're the top dawg, but I just find it interesting a guy like him mentioned us, with all the other programs in the country.

 

[im4uainva]

As arrogant as he is the part I find interesting is that he mentioned a school all the way across the country and a team he has never played, visited, or even been on the same level as. I get we're the top dawg, but I just find it interesting a guy like him mentioned us, with all the other programs in the country.

West Coast arrogance?

 

[planomateo]

Interesting demographics for UCLA.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Yep....just that west coast arrogance vs us dumb hillbilly southerners....
Which I proudly am...
Go get em AnM...
I have a Notre Dame friend that says this all the time.....

 

[TerryP]

What I was thinking too.... And I don't personally know what the difference between SAT scores/standards are to get into UCLA vs Alabama. If there's a legit difference, maybe he makes a decent point?

There are a few differences.

The thing that strikes me is UCLA doesn't actually have a requirement for the SAT. They want their applicants to score a 1750 on the new scale. Bama is set at 1600 with consideration of their GPA as well.

One of my first reactions was suspicion he has Sam Darnold on the brain. After all, where the media spotlight being shown during fall camp for the PAC? (Misplaced, IMO, due to schedule alone.)