🏈 Jalen or Tua? Bobby Bowden says 'Nick can't go wrong'

[alagator]

I'll take the risk of upsetting @TUSKtimes and offer an opinion here.

You're doing the same thing bamaboyjosh is doing. Youre deflecting from what you know the authors real question is which is simple. Why cant Jalen figure out where to go with the football, and get it there on time, with accuracy ? If youre going to pretend for the sake of generating post in this thread that Hurts doesn't have a problem seeing WR's as they come open, or even getting them the football if he does see it then... well, we might as well stop this charade now. It is becoming far too annoying for those of us that really want to get to the root of the conversation which is how on Earth is Hurts going to beat out Tua when Hurts literally does. not. have. the. skill. set. to. play. QB. He can not read a D. He has zero anticipation. He usually forces WR's to come to a complete stop to catch his passes. He misses wide open WR's in the endzone in title games for Pete Sake !

This statement is just wrong.

What's funny is what you're saying here is the same thing that was said two years ago when there were so many on the BB6 bandwagon and others were pushing for Hurts. I recall very specifically @TerryP wasn't in favor of starting Hurts and he wasn't too high on BB6 either. Very specifically he stated why Hurts didn't impress him. It's the same thing everyone is crying about now.

What Terry has been saying all along is the plays used to criticize Jalen aren't fair.

Go ahead. Stick your head in the sand. (or pretend to- I'm not buying this. I know you have good sources Terry. So do I. They all say Tua is in another league than Hurts)

He's said that very thing in this very thread with the only exception of one word, potential. To be specific, he said "two different skill sets" which is an accurate of a statement as there can be.

 

[alagator]

Seems pretty clear to me. I don't get where you're confused.

If you still don't get it, I'll get back later. I've got about 500 rounds of 230gr FMJ .45 that will go nicely with the 1911... don't plan to be around much today.

And that pretty much sums up the crap you've been slinging in this thread. Either quote my concern or leave it alone. This ain't Tigerfan.

This was really a stupid statement. Really. Did you even consider, for one moment, what it is your saying here?

 

[Tidestalker]

We are asking far too much from a Division 1 QB... Far too risky at this stage of his career”

This literally leaves me shaking my head. There are QB's in the NFL that would have missed that throw even if they anticipated the break. I might trust that throw with Drew Lock--though I've never seen him make that kind of pass. If I were his coach, not throwing it would have been a good decision.

It's as if you've lost the concept, even knowing the truth, about how Saban feels about turnovers.

Saban hates turnovers... Loves winning championships. So far only 1 QB on the roster that has proven he can make the throws necessary to do so.
TIFWIW

O RLY?

Coz I seem to remember one of those QBs delivering a championship with just over a minute to go against Clemson, but the DEFENSE couldn't do their part to seal it.

Jalen Hurts vs Clemson passing stats in said game:

13-31 / 131 Yards / 1 TD

"Make the throws necessary to do so". The throws to win a Championship.

You get the picture? Or is the window not big enough for you either?

 

[TUSKtimes]

This was really a stupid statement. Really. Did you even consider, for one moment, what it is your saying here?

Sure. Now, your comprehension skills, not so much.

 

[alagator]

This was really a stupid statement. Really. Did you even consider, for one moment, what it is your saying here?

Sure. Now, your comprehension skills, not so much.

You're self awareness is what's lacking, son. You're right. This isn't Tigerfan.

So, answer this question. Where are you?

 

[alagator]

We are asking far too much from a Division 1 QB... Far too risky at this stage of his career”

This literally leaves me shaking my head. There are QB's in the NFL that would have missed that throw even if they anticipated the break. I might trust that throw with Drew Lock--though I've never seen him make that kind of pass. If I were his coach, not throwing it would have been a good decision.

It's as if you've lost the concept, even knowing the truth, about how Saban feels about turnovers.

Saban hates turnovers... Loves winning championships. So far only 1 QB on the roster that has proven he can make the throws necessary to do so.
TIFWIW

O RLY?

Coz I seem to remember one of those QBs delivering a championship with just over a minute to go against Clemson, but the DEFENSE couldn't do their part to seal it.

Jalen Hurts vs Clemson passing stats in said game:

13-31 / 131 Yards / 1 TD

"Make the throws necessary to do so". The throws to win a Championship.

You get the picture? Or is the window not big enough for you either?

And the coaches in the SEC voted him the offensive player of the year. Are you suggesting that you know more about football than they do?

What you're missing here is the context. You're judging him based on this we see on Sunday's. He's a college quarterback. He's a good college quarterback. He's not destined to play QB in the NFL. But, that's isn't required to be a good college quarterback.

This is another refrain that has been brought up here several times. You can not judge a quarterback based on one aspect of their game and that's precisely what's happening here.

The funny thing here in some of these examples you're citing is you're basing your judgment on things a lot of the quarterbacks in the league have difficulty doing. But, let's all make a judgement on a college quarterback based on NFL attributes.

Tommy Frazier is laughing his ass off right now. So is Tim Tebow. I'd bet your opinions on Johnny Manziel read something like "he's a good college quarterback but he doesn't have the arm for the NFL."

 

[TUSKtimes]

You're self awareness is what's lacking, son. You're right. This isn't Tigerfan.

So, answer this question. Where are you?

So you're still offended for some type of slight you perceive between me and @TerryP? That's sweet. Going back to some of my early wasted years, you are starting to remind me of a cartoon character that comes to mind:

 

[Tidestalker]

We are asking far too much from a Division 1 QB... Far too risky at this stage of his career”

This literally leaves me shaking my head. There are QB's in the NFL that would have missed that throw even if they anticipated the break. I might trust that throw with Drew Lock--though I've never seen him make that kind of pass. If I were his coach, not throwing it would have been a good decision.

It's as if you've lost the concept, even knowing the truth, about how Saban feels about turnovers.

Saban hates turnovers... Loves winning championships. So far only 1 QB on the roster that has proven he can make the throws necessary to do so.
TIFWIW

O RLY?

Coz I seem to remember one of those QBs delivering a championship with just over a minute to go against Clemson, but the DEFENSE couldn't do their part to seal it.

Jalen Hurts vs Clemson passing stats in said game:

13-31 / 131 Yards / 1 TD

"Make the throws necessary to do so". The throws to win a Championship.

You get the picture? Or is the window not big enough for you either?

And the coaches in the SEC voted him the offensive player of the year. Are you suggesting that you know more about football than they do?

What you're missing here is the context. You're judging him based on this we see on Sunday's. He's a college quarterback. He's a good college quarterback. He's not destined to play QB in the NFL. But, that's isn't required to be a good college quarterback.

This is another refrain that has been brought up here several times. You can not judge a quarterback based on one aspect of their game and that's precisely what's happening here.

The funny thing here in some of these examples you're citing is you're basing your judgment on things a lot of the quarterbacks in the league have difficulty doing. But, let's all make a judgement on a college quarterback based on NFL attributes.

Tommy Frazier is laughing his ass off right now. So is Tim Tebow. I'd bet your opinions on Johnny Manziel read something like "he's a good college quarterback but he doesn't have the arm for the NFL."

You're high and debating a fact.

There is only 1 QB on our roster that has proven he can make the throws to win a title. All this other stuff you're getting into is a waste of twitter fingers

 

[alagator]

We are asking far too much from a Division 1 QB... Far too risky at this stage of his career”

This literally leaves me shaking my head. There are QB's in the NFL that would have missed that throw even if they anticipated the break. I might trust that throw with Drew Lock--though I've never seen him make that kind of pass. If I were his coach, not throwing it would have been a good decision.

It's as if you've lost the concept, even knowing the truth, about how Saban feels about turnovers.

Saban hates turnovers... Loves winning championships. So far only 1 QB on the roster that has proven he can make the throws necessary to do so.
TIFWIW

O RLY?

Coz I seem to remember one of those QBs delivering a championship with just over a minute to go against Clemson, but the DEFENSE couldn't do their part to seal it.

Jalen Hurts vs Clemson passing stats in said game:

13-31 / 131 Yards / 1 TD

"Make the throws necessary to do so". The throws to win a Championship.

You get the picture? Or is the window not big enough for you either?

And the coaches in the SEC voted him the offensive player of the year. Are you suggesting that you know more about football than they do?

What you're missing here is the context. You're judging him based on this we see on Sunday's. He's a college quarterback. He's a good college quarterback. He's not destined to play QB in the NFL. But, that's isn't required to be a good college quarterback.

This is another refrain that has been brought up here several times. You can not judge a quarterback based on one aspect of their game and that's precisely what's happening here.

The funny thing here in some of these examples you're citing is you're basing your judgment on things a lot of the quarterbacks in the league have difficulty doing. But, let's all make a judgement on a college quarterback based on NFL attributes.

Tommy Frazier is laughing his ass off right now. So is Tim Tebow. I'd bet your opinions on Johnny Manziel read something like "he's a good college quarterback but he doesn't have the arm for the NFL."

You're high and debating a fact.

There is only 1 QB on our roster that has proven he can make the throws to win a title. All this other stuff you're getting into is a waste of twitter fingers

You misspelled "stating," and still missing the point.

 

[alagator]

You're self awareness is what's lacking, son. You're right. This isn't Tigerfan.

So, answer this question. Where are you?

So you're still offended for some type of slight you perceive between me and @TerryP? That's sweet. Going back to some of my early wasted years, you are starting to remind me of a cartoon character that comes to mind:

Considering it's not your house, I'd think you'd exercise a little discretion.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Considering it's not your house, I'd think you'd exercise a little discretion.

Considering that I'm not really sure you know yet why you're offended, I think I am.

Come on, just let it out.

 

[Tidestalker]

We are asking far too much from a Division 1 QB... Far too risky at this stage of his career”

This literally leaves me shaking my head. There are QB's in the NFL that would have missed that throw even if they anticipated the break. I might trust that throw with Drew Lock--though I've never seen him make that kind of pass. If I were his coach, not throwing it would have been a good decision.

It's as if you've lost the concept, even knowing the truth, about how Saban feels about turnovers.

Saban hates turnovers... Loves winning championships. So far only 1 QB on the roster that has proven he can make the throws necessary to do so.
TIFWIW

O RLY?

Coz I seem to remember one of those QBs delivering a championship with just over a minute to go against Clemson, but the DEFENSE couldn't do their part to seal it.

Jalen Hurts vs Clemson passing stats in said game:

13-31 / 131 Yards / 1 TD

"Make the throws necessary to do so". The throws to win a Championship.

You get the picture? Or is the window not big enough for you either?

And the coaches in the SEC voted him the offensive player of the year. Are you suggesting that you know more about football than they do?

What you're missing here is the context. You're judging him based on this we see on Sunday's. He's a college quarterback. He's a good college quarterback. He's not destined to play QB in the NFL. But, that's isn't required to be a good college quarterback.

This is another refrain that has been brought up here several times. You can not judge a quarterback based on one aspect of their game and that's precisely what's happening here.

The funny thing here in some of these examples you're citing is you're basing your judgment on things a lot of the quarterbacks in the league have difficulty doing. But, let's all make a judgement on a college quarterback based on NFL attributes.

Tommy Frazier is laughing his ass off right now. So is Tim Tebow. I'd bet your opinions on Johnny Manziel read something like "he's a good college quarterback but he doesn't have the arm for the NFL."

You're high and debating a fact.

There is only 1 QB on our roster that has proven he can make the throws to win a title. All this other stuff you're getting into is a waste of twitter fingers

You misspelled "stating," and still missing the point.

1. No, no I didnt. You’re high.

2. I made the point. You TRIED to take it out of context but failed (by making a ridiculous statement about Tommy Frazier)

3. It’s still a fact. Saban loves winning and Tua is the only QB on the roster who’s proven he can make the throws to win a championship.

Deal with it

 

[T&B]

"two different skill sets"

What is Hurts " skill set ?" Serious question.

I know what Tua brings to the table, and all his skills are important for a guy playing Quarterback, but... what is Hurts "skill set."

I think everyone would agree that he runs really well, but I tend to think that is a great skill for a running back.

 

[TerryP]

What does that mean?

Seems pretty clear to me. I don't get where you're confused.

If you still don't get it, I'll get back later.

I've got about 500 rounds of 230gr FMJ .45 that will go nicely with the 1911... don't plan to be around much today.

How did that go? You have me a bit jealous. It's been awhile since I've taken a day at the range.

We didn't go to a range. We went to a friends property about an hour out of town.

How did it go? Hell of a time! Thanks for asking. Both of my forearms are tired as hell today from that 1911. Heck of a kick that one has. Geez...we took a Glock, Sig, Heckler & Koch, Beretta Px4 for sidearms...blew through a couple of hundred rounds with .22LR's.

The 5lb tenderloin was the highlight...geez, still full.

 

[TerryP]

The inability to address specific points of rebuttal.

Name them.

 

[TerryP]

This literally leaves me shaking my head. There are QB's in the NFL that would have missed that throw even if they anticipated the break.

You're doing the same thing bamaboyjosh is doing. Youre deflecting from what you know the authors real question is which is simple. Why cant Jalen figure out where to go with the football, and get it there on time, with accuracy ? If youre going to pretend for the sake of generating post in this thread that Hurts doesn't have a problem seeing WR's as they come open, or even getting them the football if he does see it then... well, we might as well stop this charade now. It is becoming far too annoying for those of us that really want to get to the root of the conversation which is how on Earth is Hurts going to beat out Tua when Hurts literally does. not. have. the. skill. set. to. play. QB. He can not read a D. He has zero anticipation. He usually forces WR's to come to a complete stop to catch his passes. He misses wide open WR's in the endzone in title games for Pete Sake !

Go ahead. Stick your head in the sand. (or pretend to- I'm not buying this. I know you have good sources Terry. So do I. They all say Tua is in another league than Hurts)

I can't wait for fall camp.

This is just absolutely wrong. Absurdly wrong.

Two years ago when there was a innumerable amount of discussions between the three QB's I said, repeatedly, that Hurts lacked in some areas. I've said that repeatedly this past season. Every single thing that's being pointed to about Jalen was pointed to two years ago, last year, and this past year--I personally did so.

I have taken issue with some of the plays used to criticize Jalen. They are not fair. As seen in this thread a lot of them are simply wrong.

 

[TerryP]

We are asking far too much from a Division 1 QB... Far too risky at this stage of his career”

This literally leaves me shaking my head. There are QB's in the NFL that would have missed that throw even if they anticipated the break. I might trust that throw with Drew Lock--though I've never seen him make that kind of pass. If I were his coach, not throwing it would have been a good decision.

It's as if you've lost the concept, even knowing the truth, about how Saban feels about turnovers.

Saban hates turnovers... Loves winning championships. So far only 1 QB on the roster that has proven he can make the throws necessary to do so.
TIFWIW

O RLY?

Coz I seem to remember one of those QBs delivering a championship with just over a minute to go against Clemson, but the DEFENSE couldn't do their part to seal it.

Jalen Hurts vs Clemson passing stats in said game:

13-31 / 131 Yards / 1 TD

"Make the throws necessary to do so". The throws to win a Championship.

You get the picture? Or is the window not big enough for you either?

And the coaches in the SEC voted him the offensive player of the year. Are you suggesting that you know more about football than they do?

What you're missing here is the context. You're judging him based on this we see on Sunday's. He's a college quarterback. He's a good college quarterback. He's not destined to play QB in the NFL. But, that's isn't required to be a good college quarterback.

This is another refrain that has been brought up here several times. You can not judge a quarterback based on one aspect of their game and that's precisely what's happening here.

The funny thing here in some of these examples you're citing is you're basing your judgment on things a lot of the quarterbacks in the league have difficulty doing. But, let's all make a judgement on a college quarterback based on NFL attributes.

Tommy Frazier is laughing his ass off right now. So is Tim Tebow. I'd bet your opinions on Johnny Manziel read something like "he's a good college quarterback but he doesn't have the arm for the NFL."

You're high and debating a fact.

There is only 1 QB on our roster that has proven he can make the throws to win a title. All this other stuff you're getting into is a waste of twitter fingers

You misspelled "stating," and still missing the point.

1. No, no I didnt. You’re high.

2. I made the point. You TRIED to take it out of context but failed (by making a ridiculous statement about Tommy Frazier)

3. It’s still a fact. Saban loves winning and Tua is the only QB on the roster who’s proven he can make the throws to win a championship.

Deal with it

A solid post by alagator there. It demonstrates the difference between a good college quarterback and a good NFL quarterback--as we know Frazier didn't fit the last bill. Jalen is a good college quarterback. There is no denying that statement.

And then there's that SECCG he won.

 

[TerryP]

In closing...

When we have members falling into responses like "you're high" instead of continuing a conversation it points to a thread losing its course.

Tua and Jalen conversations will continue and I'll join in. But, it's my opinion this thread has lost its course...but we'll exercise patience and look for a better turn.

 

[Tidestalker]

In closing...

When we have members falling into responses like "you're high" instead of continuing a conversation it points to a thread losing its course.

Tua and Jalen conversations will continue and I'll join in. But, it's my opinion this thread has lost its course...but we'll exercise patience and look for a better turn.

Oh please Terry. You're the "you need to quit" guy. He can handle it the same way I can handle it. Everyone is talking a good amount of football (with a little smack in between) and making at least semi valid points. Hell, this is probably the best conversation of the offseason

 

[Tidestalker]

A solid post by alagator there. It demonstrates the difference between a good college quarterback and a good NFL quarterback--as we know Frazier didn't fit the last bill. Jalen is a good college quarterback. There is no denying that statement.

And then there's that SECCG he won.

If you want a good college team, have a good college QB.

If you want a national championship team, your QB needs to play great.

Look at the winning team's QB performances the last handful of seasons...

-Tua - You remember
-D. Watson (420 yards / 3 TD's)
-Coker (335 yards / 2 TD's)
-12 Gage (16/23 for 242 1 TD)
-Jameis (20-35 for 237 & 2 TD's)

Bringing back the Tommy Frazier offense from the 90's won't cut it in today's game (If winning a National Championship is the goal). Throwing for 130 yards in the air is putting way too much pressure on the defense when the other QB has great talent. The defenses aren't allowed to play the way they were "back in the day".

My argument is the same and always has been.... Bama will win games and a lot of them with Jalen at the helm. Winning a championship though is another story... In the big games he's strugging mightely. For what appears to be obvious reasons to certain posters and many professionals.

Let the debate rage! Fall camp just around the corner!