🏈 Jalen or Tua? Bobby Bowden says 'Nick can't go wrong'

[TerryP]

The offense would have hung 50 on them with Tua distributing the ball. Moo State roster has no business taking Bama the distance.

Is this a good example when Jalen put up 51 on them last year? Just asking for a friend...

 

[T&B]

The offense would have hung 50 on them with Tua distributing the ball. Moo State roster has no business taking Bama the distance.

Is this a good example when Jalen put up 51 on them last year? Just asking for a friend...

Uhhh, to my knowledge Bama had to score late to win the game 31 - 24.

31 - 24

 

[TerryP]

Uhhh, to my knowledge Bama had to score late to win the game 31 - 24.

Ah, ya got me (all the while knowing I was talking about his frosh year, right?)

Fact is, Bama should have lost that game. More importantly, that loss would have come because of the defense. They had 170+ rushing yards against Bama and if you look over the losses in Saban's era that's one of the keys.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. This is a case of putting blame on Jalen and I don't think it's fair--especially what you're citing here about scoring 50+ if Tua were QB.

In Saban's tenure there's only been two games where Bama has scored more than 31. The other was in '12 with AJ at the helm. After LSU the team has always had an issue getting their legs back and this year was compounded by injuries on the defensive.

I know what his 3rd down conversion was in that game. Coker was right on that in '15 and '14 wasn't any better with Blake. Bama was 4 for 11 in '12 with AJ while scoring 38.

Much like the play we've been talking about...this is what I see as another bad example.

 

[CmnRef]

I give kudos to the tenacity of the participants of this debate. In my opinion the lesson is this:
If you are ever called to jury duty and hear testimony from an “eye witness” who is sure of what they saw. Keep this thread in mind when considering the credibility or accuracy of said witness.

 

[T&B]

Ah, ya got me (all the while knowing I was talking about his frosh year, right?)

No, not at all. Tua wasn't on the team that year, and I was never speaking to that game.

To the rest of your post.... please tell me what is a good example ? The title game is a bad example. The Auburn game is a bad example. The Clemson game is a bad example. The Washington game was a bad example. The LSU games are a bad example. The Mississippi State game is a bad example.

It's like @Tidestalker said a hundred pages ago... are all of you basing Hurts ability to play QB on his success vs Chattanooga ?

Stahp it !

The best examples are the ones vs the best competition, and there is no longer a debate about how effective Hurts is vs those teams. It's not an opinion anymore. Why is this so hard for some to acknowledge ?

Maybe we should all try another angle to see if we can find some common ground ?

How about what else does Tua have to do to prove he is better than Jalen ?

Should the best player not start, or is this everybody gets to play, and everybody gets a trophy ?

Tua showed nothing but excellence last season. Every time he got PT everyone in the stadium marveled at his abilities.

Everyone in Bama nation owes Tua for their latest title they get to celebrate, and its not debatable. What else does he have to do other than stay healthy ?

Why are some people in this discussion propping Hurts up, when its Tua that saved the day ? We literally could not have had a more clear cut example of these two players abilities vs good competition in the title game. Please no more excuses. The game was played, and we saw exactly what each QB brings to the table. Especially on the big stage with everything on the line the fraud was exposed, and the real deal stepped forward. It sounds harsh, but it is REALITY.

It leaves me shaking my head that people dismiss that game as some kind of anomaly. " not a fair comparison ?!? "

Wake up people, its the only comparison ! Take it and believe it.

 

[18Champs]

I give kudos to the tenacity of the participants of this debate. In my opinion the lesson is this:
If you are ever called to jury duty and hear testimony from an “eye witness” who is sure of what they saw. Keep this thread in mind when considering the credibility or accuracy of said witness.

That's one of the things I thought of when seeing people deny what's in some of these pictures. I do think @TerryP is playing devils advocate.

So Terry, what's your opinion of Tua? And, compared to Jalen, how do you see him?

 

[18Champs]

Wake up people, its the only comparison ! Take it and believe it.

Shouldn't that be take it or leave it?

 

[18Champs]

No, not at all. Tua wasn't on the team that year, and I was never speaking to that game.

And you're right here. You weren't.

But, putting out a number like 50+ is a bad example considering it's only been done once under Saban. It was a shot at Bama scoring 31, something that's only been beaten twice under Saban.

 

[TerryP]

So Terry, what's your opinion of Tua? And, compared to Jalen, how do you see him?

I thought I've been pretty clear about Tua. There's a chance he's going to go down as one of the best quarterbacks at Bama. He's shown a hell of a lot of potential. However, I'm hesitant to use the phrase "once in a generation type player." As stated earlier, unfulfilled potential is something we see daily, on multiple occasions, in every facet of life. What he's done isn't lost on me at all. He's just as amp to make a hell of a play as he is to make a hell of a stupid mistake.

There is no comparison between the two. It's no different than trying to make a comparison with two other guys at other position groups. They bring their own skill sets to the field.

 

[T&B]

Wake up people, its the only comparison ! Take it and believe it.

Shouldn't that be take it or leave it?

Not when you are imploring people to simply believe what is happening directly in front of their eye balls ! lol

Its as if Tua was so good people refuse to believe hes that good. It must have been a trick. The fanbase must be so shocked by a QB that can hit a moving target that they cant believe he will ever be able to do it again. I guess its easier to believe Tuas performance in the title game was a miracle, or divine intervention, but definitely has nothing to do with his ability to read a defense, look defenders off his intended target, throw a receiver open, deliver the ball with elite pinpoint accuracy and arm strength, and do all this on time before the pocket collapses. Nope. Not possible. No way Tua can make all those calculations by the time his back foot lands on his drop. No way. Simply not possible.

 

[planomateo]

I give kudos to the tenacity of the participants of this debate.

h/t

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

led Alabama back against MSU

Is this where we are ? Needing to come back vs Cowbell U ?

The offense would have hung 50 on them with Tua distributing the ball. Moo State roster has no business taking Bama the distance.

Come on, man.

That's just speculation. You don't know that.

Stop creating certainties from fantasy.

 

[Tidestalker]

I give kudos to the tenacity of the participants of this debate. In my opinion the lesson is this:
If you are ever called to jury duty and hear testimony from an “eye witness” who is sure of what they saw. Keep this thread in mind when considering the credibility or accuracy of said witness.

That's one of the things I thought of when seeing people deny what's in some of these pictures. I do think @TerryP is playing devils advocate.

So Terry, what's your opinion of Tua? And, compared to Jalen, how do you see him?

Defense Lawyer: “Your honor, a 10 X 10 yard area beyond the defense is NOT enough room for young Mr. Hurts to place a ball in rhythm after taking his drop. We are asking far too much from a Division 1 QB... Far too risky at this stage of his career”

Judge: “How much room does he need sir?”

Defense Lawyer: “The Grand Canyon your Honor. Unless he’s running to his right!”

Prosecution: “I rest my case”

 

[JoshB]

led Alabama back against MSU

Is this where we are ? Needing to come back vs Cowbell U ?

The offense would have hung 50 on them with Tua distributing the ball. Moo State roster has no business taking Bama the distance.

Good lord. That's not even an argument. You have gone so far off the deep end at this point you are going to have to delete your account if things dont work out with Tua.

 

[JoshB]

That should have been directed at the other dork.

And yet you seem to be the only one struggling with context.

Sorry, it's hard to tell you two apart when you just parrot each other. You even freaking answered for him lmao

 

[TerryP]

I give kudos to the tenacity of the participants of this debate. In my opinion the lesson is this:
If you are ever called to jury duty and hear testimony from an “eye witness” who is sure of what they saw. Keep this thread in mind when considering the credibility or accuracy of said witness.

That's one of the things I thought of when seeing people deny what's in some of these pictures. I do think @TerryP is playing devils advocate.

So Terry, what's your opinion of Tua? And, compared to Jalen, how do you see him?

Defense Lawyer: “Your honor, a 10 X 10 yard area beyond the defense is NOT enough room for young Mr. Hurts to place a ball in rhythm after taking his drop. We are asking far too much from a Division 1 QB... Far too risky at this stage of his career”

Judge: “How much room does he need sir?”

Defense Lawyer: “The Grand Canyon your Honor. Unless he’s running to his right!”

Prosecution: “I rest my case”

Aren't you clever!

I do appreciate people answering for me.

I really would appreciate it even more if it was done with a least a modicum of honesty.

 

[TerryP]

We are asking far too much from a Division 1 QB... Far too risky at this stage of his career”

This literally leaves me shaking my head. There are QB's in the NFL that would have missed that throw even if they anticipated the break. I might trust that throw with Drew Lock--though I've never seen him make that kind of pass. If I were his coach, not throwing it would have been a good decision.

It's as if you've lost the concept, even knowing the truth, about how Saban feels about turnovers.

 

[alagator]

No worries fellas, by evidence of the Ridley wide open in the endzone image,

And yet you've still avoided the pertinent question. Where were the passing lanes to hit that "wide open Ridley?" Both guys here are right. They are not there.

Can someone make that throw through that tiny window? Yes. About as often as they throw an interception through that window.

Loft it right over the defense... Ya know, the flat footed LB's.... Where your WIDE OPEN RECEIVER is running in the OPEN GREEN GRASS.

Would you need a "window" for a go route when the receiver breaks free?!

Holy crap... I couldn't imagine if we were asking Jalen to make a difficult throw/read. This would be brutal

Why you continue to be so intellectually dishonest confuses me.

 

[TUSKtimes]

It's as if you've lost the concept, even knowing the truth, about how Saban feels about turnovers.

What does that mean? I've never seen Tua go into a football game last season that he wasn't throwing the football, regardless of the score and situation. After the pick-six against Tennessee, Gary Danielson suggested that we wouldn't be seeing Tua throw the ball anytime soon. He no more got that out of his mouth that Tua was throwing the football all over the field. Tua's gameplan obviously never changed. And frankly, that's how the season went. What do you make of that?

 

[TerryP]

What does that mean?

Seems pretty clear to me. I don't get where you're confused.

If you still don't get it, I'll get back later.

I've got about 500 rounds of 230gr FMJ .45 that will go nicely with the 1911... don't plan to be around much today.