🏈 Jalen or Tua? Bobby Bowden says 'Nick can't go wrong'

[TUSKtimes]

Seems pretty clear to me. I don't get where you're confused.

If you still don't get it, I'll get back later. I've got about 500 rounds of 230gr FMJ .45 that will go nicely with the 1911... don't plan to be around much today.

And that pretty much sums up the crap you've been slinging in this thread. Either quote my concern or leave it alone. This ain't Tigerfan.

 

[TerryP]

Seems pretty clear to me. I don't get where you're confused.

If you still don't get it, I'll get back later. I've got about 500 rounds of 230gr FMJ .45 that will go nicely with the 1911... don't plan to be around much today.

And that pretty much sums up the crap you've been slinging in this thread. Either quote my concern or leave it alone. This ain't Tigerfan.

Name one thing, amigo, that you consider crap.

Every point I've made here has been valid. I've yet to see one rebuttal (other than some pedeomorphic attempts at humor.)

 

[alagator]

And that pretty much sums up the crap you've been slinging in this thread.

That describes about everything you've posted in this thread.

As in, "starting at each other the whole time." That was bullshit.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Name one thing, amigo, that you consider crap.

Every point I've made here has been valid. I've yet to see one rebuttal (other than some pedeomorphic attempts at humor.)

The inability to address specific points of rebuttal. Like my last comment. I realize that playing devil's advocate is a thankless job, but hey, you signed up for the mission.

 

[alagator]

The inability to address specific points of rebuttal.

Which is exactly what you've been doing here. Passing lanes?

Inability to address points? He's taken pictures of the play to disprove what some of you guys have been posted.

Here's inability. The refusal to acknowledge it may be too soon to write off Jalen. The refusal to acknowledge some of the examples used to say Jalen isn't a QB are false from the get-go. The refusals to acknowledge he isn't being treated fairly.

Like mentioned in this thread it really is no different from the comments about Holcombe. They were unfair and out of context.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Which is exactly what you've been doing here. Passing lanes?

Inability to address points? He's taken pictures of the play to disprove what some of you guys have been posted.

Here's inability. The refusal to acknowledge it may be too soon to write off Jalen. The refusal to acknowledge some of the examples used to say Jalen isn't a QB are false from the get-go. The refusals to acknowledge he isn't being treated fairly.

Like mentioned in this thread it really is no different from the comments about Holcombe. They were unfair and out of context.

Settle down, junior. @TerryP doesn't need a lawyer to reply to my comment.

 

[alagator]

Name one thing, amigo, that you consider crap.

The inability to address specific points of rebuttal

What does that mean?

Seems pretty clear to me. I don't get where you're confused.

If you still don't get it, I'll get back later.

I've got about 500 rounds of 230gr FMJ .45 that will go nicely with the 1911... don't plan to be around much today.

He specifically told you he'd come back to this thread and told you why it would be a minute. I'm not defending for him. I'm talking to you.

 

[TUSKtimes]

He specifically told you he'd come back to this thread and told you why it would be a minute. I'm not defending for him. I'm talking to you.

I understood everything he said, thank you for the interpretation anyway.

 

[T&B]

led Alabama back against MSU

Is this where we are ? Needing to come back vs Cowbell U ?

The offense would have hung 50 on them with Tua distributing the ball. Moo State roster has no business taking Bama the distance.

Good lord. That's not even an argument. You have gone so far off the deep end at this point you are going to have to delete your account if things dont work out with Tua.

You're "that guy" that decided to respond to the one post that was off topic, and a total hypothetical. I suppose you have no answers for the other posts that ask the important questions, or speak to the important ideas that have been brought up.

You present your contentions in a child like manner. You sit dormant for long stretches ignoring points that you can't counter, and simply wait for a "got ya" moment that allows you to skirt the meat and potatoes of a conversation.

Simply put, and I hate to sling mud at this point, but you're one of those terrible dinner guest that can't hold up your end of a conversation. You have not provided one idea worth reading in this thread. You have not provided anything that would make a Tua supporter stop and ponder for a moment that maybe Hurts is the answer. Not even close. Meanwhile I've provided a short novel of all the reasons the Hurts era must come to an end.

Here let me Tee-It-Up for you, and lets see if you have the backbone to answer -

Question 1

Why was Jalen unable to put a single point on the board vs UGA ? Why is there a clear trend that shows Jalen can not move the ball vs teams with a good defense ? Why does the offense seem to be simplified, and many of the offensive weapons left on the shelf to collect dust when counting on Hurts to distribute the ball ?

Question 2

Why was Tua able to hang nearly 30 points on the uga D in two quarters - The same D that completely shut Hurts down ? Why was he able to distribute the ball to so many players ? Why did the team look like a totally different team with a total different energy, and a totally different sense of urgency ?

Why did Saban say after the game "I felt we needed to throw the ball better, and I thought Tua gave us a chance to do that."

Why did Herbstreit say that "Tua was the difference in the game." Why did Herbstreit say that Hurts poor play at QB was damaging Ridleys draft stock ?

 

[T&B]

This literally leaves me shaking my head. There are QB's in the NFL that would have missed that throw even if they anticipated the break.

You're doing the same thing bamaboyjosh is doing. Youre deflecting from what you know the authors real question is which is simple. Why cant Jalen figure out where to go with the football, and get it there on time, with accuracy ? If youre going to pretend for the sake of generating post in this thread that Hurts doesn't have a problem seeing WR's as they come open, or even getting them the football if he does see it then... well, we might as well stop this charade now. It is becoming far too annoying for those of us that really want to get to the root of the conversation which is how on Earth is Hurts going to beat out Tua when Hurts literally does. not. have. the. skill. set. to. play. QB. He can not read a D. He has zero anticipation. He usually forces WR's to come to a complete stop to catch his passes. He misses wide open WR's in the endzone in title games for Pete Sake !

Go ahead. Stick your head in the sand. (or pretend to- I'm not buying this. I know you have good sources Terry. So do I. They all say Tua is in another league than Hurts)

I can't wait for fall camp.

 

[planomateo]

^^ learn how to count...more than two questions oke2:

 

[T&B]

^^ learn how to count...more than two questions oke2:

:moon:

 

[JoshB]

led Alabama back against MSU

Is this where we are ? Needing to come back vs Cowbell U ?

The offense would have hung 50 on them with Tua distributing the ball. Moo State roster has no business taking Bama the distance.

Good lord. That's not even an argument. You have gone so far off the deep end at this point you are going to have to delete your account if things dont work out with Tua.

You're "that guy" that decided to respond to the one post that was off topic, and a total hypothetical. I suppose you have no answers for the other posts that ask the important questions, or speak to the important ideas that have been brought up.

You present your contentions in a child like manner. You sit dormant for long stretches ignoring points that you can't counter, and simply wait for a "got ya" moment that allows you to skirt the meat and potatoes of a conversation.

Simply put, and I hate to sling mud at this point, but you're one of those terrible dinner guest that can't hold up your end of a conversation. You have not provided one idea worth reading in this thread. You have not provided anything that would make a Tua supporter stop and ponder for a moment that maybe Hurts is the answer. Not even close. Meanwhile I've provided a short novel of all the reasons the Hurts era must come to an end.

Here let me Tee-It-Up for you, and lets see if you have the backbone to answer -

Question 1

Why was Jalen unable to put a single point on the board vs UGA ? Why is there a clear trend that shows Jalen can not move the ball vs teams with a good defense ? Why does the offense seem to be simplified, and many of the offensive weapons left on the shelf to collect dust when counting on Hurts to distribute the ball ?

Question 2

Why was Tua able to hang nearly 30 points on the uga D in two quarters - The same D that completely shut Hurts down ? Why was he able to distribute the ball to so many players ? Why did the team look like a totally different team with a total different energy, and a totally different sense of urgency ?

Why did Saban say after the game "I felt we needed to throw the ball better, and I thought Tua gave us a chance to do that."

Why did Herbstreit say that "Tua was the difference in the game." Why did Herbstreit say that Hurts poor play at QB was damaging Ridleys draft stock ?

You comprehend like child, I'm not presenting anything like a child. I "sit dormant" for long stretches because I have a job, I'm sorry if that is something you can't relate to, and every time I come back to this thread there is dozens of posts that I do not feel like reading (primarily because you just keep saying the same things over and over).

Why am I supposed to make a "Tua supporter" ponder anything? I'm a Tua supporter. I think people like you have forgotten that he is on the same team as Jalen Hurts...

Question 1
Because he had a bad half, a really bad half. There isn't. Because it was simplified. I do not think that DaBoll was comfortable with Jalen at all. I've never argued that in the back half of the season that Jalen struggled at times (he struggled badly against Auburn and Georgia explicitly). He has also WON multiple games with his play down the stretch over the past two years. People like you tend to ignore the positives and simply harp on the negatives because you have a narrative that you want to paint. You don't like Jalen Hurts as a QB, you have said multiple times "he's not a QB." You will never back away from that. There is nothing for me to "defend."

Question 2
Because he had a good (at times, great) half and the Georgia defense was completely caught flat-footed and unprepared. No. 1, they had a different sense of urgency because that's the way the game was called from the sideline and No. 2, the defense actually started to settle in and play. You sound like Skip Bayless defending Tim Tebow at this point by attempting to give Tua the credit even for the defense.

Tua was the difference, his play in the second half was the biggest difference. Who has argued against that? Ridley was a first round draft pick.

This is the problem. You don't just argue that you think Tua is a better quarterback and give Alabama the best chance to win, you abandoned that a long time ago. No, you feel the need to throw out hyperbole constantly, trash Jalen as a QB and want to argue until your face turns blue. Even when someone tries to just bow out and move on, because you obviously don't care for an actual discussion, you try to bait them back into. You also pretend to know more than the head coach himself and you like to point to people like Blackledge or Herbstreit but if any other expert makes a comment positive in nature to Jalen, you dismiss it completely. You pretend to not have a bias but every post you make is oozing in bias.

I think Tua has the potential to be one of the best quarterbacks in Alabama, hell even SEC, history. POTENTIAL. I am not and will not sit here and say that I KNOW that he is going to live up to that potential based on one half of football combined with a bunch of garbage time during the regular season.

I personally believe that Jalen is a solid quarterback, that has several areas that he has to CONTINUE to improve (primarily with his confidence and reading the defense). He has shown at times he CAN have both, he's shown at other times he struggles with it. He's also the best athlete on the field every single time he walks out there and can do things that very few quarterbacks can. He also doesn't turn the ball over.

Tua IS going to turn the ball over. How much he does depends on how much the coaches can reign him in with some of those dumber throws where he just simply has TOO much confidence in his arm. I think they both will play.

Regardless, Nick Saban is going to make the decision that he feels will be best for the TEAM. He will. Not you, not me or anyone else on this board or in the media.

 

[T&B]

You comprehend like child, I'm not presenting anything like a child. I "sit dormant" for long stretches because I have a job, I'm sorry if that is something you can't relate to.

Wait a second... I take time outta my day to educate your ignorant ass, and you have the audacity to call me unemployed ?

Well Sir, I have to inform you that our business in this thread has now concluded AND,... I just told the Mrs. to take you off the Christmas card list this year. I hate to have to get ugly, but you really leave me no option.

I'll be seeing you in the fall camp thread, buster. Better bring yo A game.

 

[Tidestalker]

We are asking far too much from a Division 1 QB... Far too risky at this stage of his career”

This literally leaves me shaking my head. There are QB's in the NFL that would have missed that throw even if they anticipated the break. I might trust that throw with Drew Lock--though I've never seen him make that kind of pass. If I were his coach, not throwing it would have been a good decision.

It's as if you've lost the concept, even knowing the truth, about how Saban feels about turnovers.

Saban hates turnovers... Loves winning championships. So far only 1 QB on the roster that has proven he can make the throws necessary to do so.
TIFWIW

 

[JoshB]

You comprehend like child, I'm not presenting anything like a child. I "sit dormant" for long stretches because I have a job, I'm sorry if that is something you can't relate to.

Wait a second... I take time outta my day to educate your ignorant ass, and you have the audacity to call me unemployed ?

Well Sir, I have to inform you that our business in this thread has now concluded AND,... I just told the Mrs. to take you off the Christmas card list this year. I hate to have to get ugly, but you really leave me no option.

I'll be seeing you in the fall camp thread, buster. Better bring yo A game.

:rolf: Looks like I touched a nerve.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

We are asking far too much from a Division 1 QB... Far too risky at this stage of his career”

This literally leaves me shaking my head. There are QB's in the NFL that would have missed that throw even if they anticipated the break. I might trust that throw with Drew Lock--though I've never seen him make that kind of pass. If I were his coach, not throwing it would have been a good decision.

It's as if you've lost the concept, even knowing the truth, about how Saban feels about turnovers.

Saban hates turnovers... Loves winning championships. So far only 1 QB on the roster that has proven he can make the throws necessary to do so.
TIFWIW

O RLY?

Coz I seem to remember one of those QBs delivering a championship with just over a minute to go against Clemson, but the DEFENSE couldn't do their part to seal it.

 

[TUSKtimes]

O RLY?

Coz I seem to remember one of those QBs delivering a championship with just over a minute to go against Clemson, but the DEFENSE couldn't do their part to seal it.

May have had something to do with the defense being on the field for 99 plays. Remind me again, how many times did we punt in that game?

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

The SJW pitch is strong in this thread. Like a liberal...never argue with one because they never lose. They just change the subject or beat you over the head with their education spin. Anybody that went to A-Day 2 years ago left that Saturday knowing #13 had WAY MORE QB ability than #2.

 

[alagator]

What does that mean?

Seems pretty clear to me. I don't get where you're confused.

If you still don't get it, I'll get back later.

I've got about 500 rounds of 230gr FMJ .45 that will go nicely with the 1911... don't plan to be around much today.

How did that go? You have me a bit jealous. It's been awhile since I've taken a day at the range.