🏈 It's being reported that OSU's Offensive Coordinator his headed to Houston as HC.

[TerryP]

It would be one thing if this was Braxton Miller at QB faced with the task of reading the Saban/Smart defenses.

A third string QB, without his offensive coordinator, doing the same?

*I wonder how much the line will move.

 

[PhillyGirl]

But when would the move happen? I don't see why Herman would make the move now when his team is in the first ever CFB Final Four ..

 

[BamaFan334]

What a dick move if he accepted this and didn't stay around for the Playoff. That could be one of the dumbest coaching moves I have ever seen if in fact he leaves beforehand.

 

[planomateo]

What a dick move if he accepted this and didn't stay around for the Playoff. That could be one of the dumbest coaching moves I have ever seen if in fact he leaves beforehand.

Depends on your view. Think about it from a recruiting standpoint with Houston. The dead period is 12/22 - 1/3, so if he wants to squeeze in some visits with current Houston commits now is the time. The problem is its already Monday and he only has a few days in reality.

He's either committed to Ohio State or to Houston for the next 3 weeks.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/...division Football Recruiting Calendar2014.pdf

 

[UAgrad93]

If I am Houston's choice, I have to move immediately to salvage any and all kids recruited to Houston. If I am Houston, I probably tell the guy just that. You are either committed to us or you should just stay at OSU.

 

[BamaFan334]

Depends on your view. Think about it from a recruiting standpoint with Houston. The dead period is 12/22 - 1/3, so if he wants to squeeze in some visits with current Houston commits now is the time. The problem is its already Monday and he only has a few days in reality.

He's either committed to Ohio State or to Houston for the next 3 weeks.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Championship Subdivision Football Recruiting Calendar2014.pdf

I see it as you were contracted, started the season, so now you complete the season. I understand it's a business, but you simply cannot jump ship in the end like this before the team you committed to and that committed to you is in the middle of a Championship run. I just see it as classless. In all honesty, what kind of recruits is he gonna sway last minute at Houston? Let's be real about that. He'll get his opportunity to fully recruit and bring in who he evaluates, so I can only see it from the Ohio State prospective right now.

 

[TerryP]

I see it as you were contracted, started the season, so now you complete the season. I understand it's a business, but you simply cannot jump ship in the end like this before the team you committed to and that committed to you is in the middle of a Championship run. I just see it as classless. In all honesty, what kind of recruits is he gonna sway last minute at Houston? Let's be real about that. He'll get his opportunity to fully recruit and bring in who he evaluates, so I can only see it from the Ohio State prospective right now.

@planomateo hits on some very salient points. There's more...

IF OSU were to make it to the Championship game he wouldn't be starting his Houston position until the 13th, at the soonest. Not only is that leaving him ONLY three weeks until national signing day, it's also leaving him with just three weeks to assemble a staff.

I looked at their class last week and it was only half full. On top of that, their last commitment was in August so there's definitely some "retention" work to be done.

His other option is to split time between the two: how is that fair for either team?

I understand your position but if I'm the AD at Houston I'm wanting my new hire there, now!

 

[UAgrad93]

I see it as you were contracted, started the season, so now you complete the season. I understand it's a business, but you simply cannot jump ship in the end like this before the team you committed to and that committed to you is in the middle of a Championship run. I just see it as classless. In all honesty, what kind of recruits is he gonna sway last minute at Houston? Let's be real about that. He'll get his opportunity to fully recruit and bring in who he evaluates, so I can only see it from the Ohio State prospective right now.

Let me throw this out there. Jim McElwain is the HC at Colorado State, his team finishes the regular season 10-2 and is headed to a bowl game. He leaves and immediately starts recruiting at UF, his new employer. Why shouldn't he have to stay and finish the season out?
Will Muschamp is "fired" but allowed to finish the season. UF makes a bowl game but he isn't allowed to coach it, instead an "interim guy" will. Why can't he stay?
Any OC or DC that aspires to be a HC must go and start laying his foundation immediately at his new school. If he wants to succeed, he will leave immediately. When I say succeed, I mean win 5-7 games his first season and show improvement. Use the Houston job as a stepping stone.

 

[planomateo]

I see it as you were contracted, started the season, so now you complete the season. I understand it's a business, but you simply cannot jump ship in the end like this before the team you committed to and that committed to you is in the middle of a Championship run. I just see it as classless. In all honesty, what kind of recruits is he gonna sway last minute at Houston? Let's be real about that. He'll get his opportunity to fully recruit and bring in who he evaluates, so I can only see it from the Ohio State prospective right now.

I can see both sides of the argument. I think this falls into one of those, I'd have to be in those shoes before I could really have an idea of what its like.

I don't hold it against anyone for leaving to get settled into their new job during this timeframe. Sure it sucks, but its part of the business and I think as a coach you just learn to deal with these things. Not to mention, it takes some time to get your coaching staff assembled, getting to know the recruits, etc. As yourself this, how committed is he to Ohio State the next few weeks given the Houston job is his?

I don't know this guy at all, but I can assume he's a pretty good QB coach (based on what we've seen the last few years) and done well as an OC at Ohio State given their record the last few years. That being said, if I'm Houston's new coach with these credentials, I'm making a run at Jarrett Stidham, the 5* that just decommitted from Texas Tech a few days ago. Its being suggested that he's going to Baylor (probably because he's from Stephenville HS which is where Art Briles was a HC for years).

Currently I lean towards going to Houston and getting things going.

 

[planomateo]

Let me throw this out there. Jim McElwain is the HC at Colorado State, his team finishes the regular season 10-2 and is headed to a bowl game. He leaves and immediately starts recruiting at UF, his new employer. Why shouldn't he have to stay and finish the season out?
Will Muschamp is "fired" but allowed to finish the season. UF makes a bowl game but he isn't allowed to coach it, instead an "interim guy" will. Why can't he stay?
Any OC or DC that aspires to be a HC must go and start laying his foundation immediately at his new school. If he wants to succeed, he will leave immediately. When I say succeed, I mean win 5-7 games his first season and show improvement. Use the Houston job as a stepping stone.

And remind me again what McElwain was doing within days of his hire...recruiting. Its more important now as the timelines are compressing...even for Houston.

 

[TerryP]

Currently I lean towards going to Houston and getting things going.

Imagine he waits and then visits Stidham.

Stidham: Who is going to be my quarterback coach?
Herman: I don't know. I haven't had time to interview one yet.

Stidham: Who is the offensive coordinator?
Herman: I don't know. I haven't had time to interview one yet.

Stidham: Who is going to be coaching Wide Receivers?
...

 

[BamaFan334]

Let me throw this out there. Jim McElwain is the HC at Colorado State, his team finishes the regular season 10-2 and is headed to a bowl game. He leaves and immediately starts recruiting at UF, his new employer. Why shouldn't he have to stay and finish the season out?
Will Muschamp is "fired" but allowed to finish the season. UF makes a bowl game but he isn't allowed to coach it, instead an "interim guy" will. Why can't he stay?
Any OC or DC that aspires to be a HC must go and start laying his foundation immediately at his new school. If he wants to succeed, he will leave immediately. When I say succeed, I mean win 5-7 games his first season and show improvement. Use the Houston job as a stepping stone.

Don't get me wrong here, I get both sides, but I was saying from my prospective. I believe both of those coaches should be allowed to coach their teams in a bowl. We don't want to pay players because it's not a business (I don't believe pay for play), yet coaches can dip out on a commitment to these kids? I never quit or leave unfinished business. You promise these kids you'll be there when you recruit them and I understand promotions and job changes, but not in the middle of a season. That's like changing school teachers at exam time and students being left with no clue what to expect on the exam since the initial teacher moved on. And y'all are right, if I'm Houston, I want him there. That still doesn't change my mind on it being a busch league move. I mean, you have a third strong quarterback you coach playing for a Championship.

 

[BamaFan334]

Imagine he waits and then visits Stidham.

Stidham: Who is going to be my quarterback coach?
Herman: I don't know. I haven't had time to interview one yet.

Stidham: Who is the offensive coordinator?
Herman: I don't know. I haven't had time to interview one yet.

Stidham: Who is going to be coaching Wide Receivers?
...

I'd rather have the Championship on my résumé. Now they could easily lose, but I'd rather fight for that Championship and conclude what I started rather than be caught up wondering about one recruiting class that probably won't see the benefits of this coaching change at a place like Houston.

 

[UAgrad93]

@BamaFan334 I see your side as well. If you are a player signed to a particular school, hopefully, you signed with that school for the school and not the coach. We even have this happen at the HS level believe it or not. A HC can leave even when he is contracted with a system until June. Occasionally, a school system will be a dick about it and make them remain until the end of the year though. While you would like the Natty on your resume, you will never get full credit for it because you weren't the head man.

 

[BamaFan334]

@BamaFan334 I see your side as well. If you are a player signed to a particular school, hopefully, you signed with that school for the school and not the coach. We even have this happen at the HS level believe it or not. A HC can leave even when he is contracted with a system until June. Occasionally, a school system will be a dick about it and make them remain until the end of the year though. While you would like the Natty on your resume, you will never get full credit for it because you weren't the head man.

I can understand that for sure. Dee Hart is the perfect example of following a coach, so I wish his last game would be under the coach he followed. I don't think he goes halfway across the country to play otherwise. I am betting a lot of our kids came to Alabama because Coach Saban is here and know what he can do for them, so I'm sure they'd feel wronged if he jumped ship to Texas the year before. It's definitely a situation with a lot of grey area and in the end you gotta do what you gotta do I guess. Life goes on. Guess I can say I'm glad it's not us having to deal with it.

 

[TerryP]

I'd rather have the Championship on my résumé.

The Broyles award is there. The point they are in the playoffs is why he's where he is (and the point they're on their third stringer.)

This move is as close to "going home" as one can be...his resume' reflects around a decade recruiting that area.

 

[planomateo]

Didn't McElwain stick around to OC the 21-0 championship?

 

[psychojoe]

Didn't McElwain stick around to OC the 21-0 championship?

You aroused my inner nerd on this. CSU announced his hire on 12/13/11. 12/13-12/17 was a legal contact period. 12/19/11-1/03/12 was a recruiting dead period. 1/04-1/07 was a legal contact period. 1/08 was a quiet period, 1/09-1/12 were dead days for recruiting. So Coach Mc. gave up about 9 recruiting days to stay on through the NC game.

 

[TerryP]

Didn't McElwain stick around to OC the 21-0 championship?

Double duty.

 

[beasl004]

I seem to remember Coach Saban setting aside an office for him to conduct business for CSU while he finishe'd out the championship game