🏈 Is it the f** OLineman or Mario

[ElephantStomp]

There's one in the "little pissing contest" who thinks he is the author of what right and wrong is and when someone else's view doesn't line up with his he resorts to terms like "idiotic" and other terms that normal 15 year old's use.

Nothig nothing, but some of the comments that have been said about what our coaches should and shouldn't do with this team is idiotic. Our coaches must be doing something right you know since they've won a game a two

 

[psychojoe]

We all understand that there have been issues on our OL, and there has been some frustration over the performance of it as a group, especially when compared with the DL. That is understandable. All of us want Bama to perform every year as if we had the 2011 defense and the 2012 offense, which to say the least are very high standards. We have two groups here, one of which directs its criticism at specific coaches and players, and another reacting to the perceived errors in these criticisms. In some cases it has resulted in personal attacks.

I have this to say. Both groups have made their points, and neither is willing to back away. Let's drop this topic. And if you have an issue with another member, you can take it out of public view via private messages, or even meet tomorrow at sunrise to fight a duel, if that suits you.

 

[bamafan4ever]

even meet tomorrow at sunrise to fight a duel, if that suits you.

 

[wiregrass_bamaguy]

Maybe this is off topic a little, but just to get different opinions......As a whole, most conferences have alot more offense than the SEC. Is it as simple as a good defense stops a good offense? If SEC schools generally collect the best talent from high schools, why do most SEC schools struggle to develop top tier qbs on a consistant basis? You could argue that some conferences have poor defenses, but their 3 star qbs still have to be able to make the offense go (tcu, baylor, texas tech, ect) You could also argue that some teams produce "system" qbs. If thats the case, than could you argue that those coaches must be really good to just plug players in just as some teams do on defense and consistantly have good to great defenses?

 

[psychojoe]

Maybe this is off topic a little, but just to get different opinions......As a whole, most conferences have alot more offense than the SEC. Is it as simple as a good defense stops a good offense? If SEC schools generally collect the best talent from high schools, why do most SEC schools struggle to develop top tier qbs on a consistant basis? You could argue that some conferences have poor defenses, but their 3 star qbs still have to be able to make the offense go (tcu, baylor, texas tech, ect) You could also argue that some teams produce "system" qbs. If thats the case, than could you argue that those coaches must be really good to just plug players in just as some teams do on defense and consistantly have good to great defenses?

That is a really good question. What is interesting to me is the success former SEC QBs have had this year having transferred. Jacoby Brissett is having a very good year at NC State. Jeff Driskell is doing quite well at La. Tech. Former Bama player Phillip Ely is at the helm at Toledo and they are undefeated, including a win over Arkansas. Do these programs do a better job at developing their QBs than Alabama and Florida, or is it just that they were not good enough where they were and are succeeding at a lower level of play? I think that the perceived lack of top tier quarterbacks is due to the SEC being a defense oriented league, where the upper tier teams play NFL types of attacks, which are not conducive to the glittering stats that a Baylor or TCU QB puts up. If you look around the NFL you do see some former SEC quarterbacks having success.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

That is a really good question. What is interesting to me is the success former SEC QBs have had this year having transferred. Jacoby Brissett is having a very good year at NC State. Jeff Driskell is doing quite well at La. Tech. Former Bama player Phillip Ely is at the helm at Toledo and they are undefeated, including a win over Arkansas. Do these programs do a better job at developing their QBs than Alabama and Florida, or is it just that they were not good enough where they were and are succeeding at a lower level of play? I think that the perceived lack of top tier quarterbacks is due to the SEC being a defense oriented league, where the upper tier teams play NFL types of attacks, which are not conducive to the glittering stats that a Baylor or TCU QB puts up. If you look around the NFL you do see some former SEC quarterbacks having success.

Well, that's just an idiotic response.

I kid, I kid.

I think SEC defenses make mincemeat out of QBs. And I think, if they were honest, Driskell and Ely would tell you their level of weekly competition pales in comparison to even their practices at their original schools of choice. In regard to NFL QBs, I maintain that the franchise QB is so rare that they are rarely accurately identified coming out of high school and don't necessarily end up at marquee schools. I lazily checked the wikidpedia site for current starting NFL QBs and categorized them: 8 from SEC, 6 PAC12 (including Alex Smith from a pre-PAC Utes), 5 ACC, 4 Big10 (including giving Wilson to Wisconsin over NC State), 3 BIG12 and 6 others. Aaron Rodgers, as most know, had no 4 year offers out of HS and got to Cal after the JUCO/CC route.

Honestly, I was surprised the SEC had more starting NFL QBs than anyone - Newton, Cutler, Manning, Manning, Tannehill, Stafford, Mallett, Mettenberger - and I know taking a snapshot of starters isn't scientific, but it's as close as I'll get to it tonight.

RTR,

Tim

 

[BigCrimson]

Nothig nothing, but some of the comments that have been said about what our coaches should and shouldn't do with this team is idiotic. Our coaches must be doing something right you know since they've won a game a two

This is a message board. Message boards exist for fans to give their opinions. With as many people who frequent message boards in today's world not everyone is going to agree. There's nothing wrong with people disagreeing but the manner in which some people disagree is what's idiotic. Not the opinion they are calling idiotic. There's no one's opinion on this board (about Alabama football) worth anymore than anyone's elses' when it gets right down to it. I assume most on here are adults so if "you" come across an opinion that "you" think is "stupid". Rather than acting like a childish punk, either ignore it or respond to it in an adult manner. I'm a part of a lot of messages boards and have been for many years. One thing that I've found common is people who respond in an immature manner like we've witnessed in this thread are usually the ones who think they are the "expert" of the board. They have so much belief in this that anyone who disagrees with them gets met with ignorant, childish responses of insults.

But back to the original point. Message boards exist to discuss things like coaching moves, strategies, recruiting etc. We actually could squash any topic by simply saying "Hey, trust the coaches they know more than us." Then at that point you've severely limited discussion and you start doing that and you start losing users and message boards die. Unless the administrators or owner of this site explicitly forbid certain topics then there's nothing wrong or "idiotic" about a fan questioning whether an Oline coach needs to be fired. Granted it may not be something you want to discuss or even think is worthy of discussion but it doesn't mean others feel the same way. Actually, if you frequent other Bama sites this topic is becoming a popular one. People are starting to question the scheme or ability to develop talent by our OL coach. I think it is a very relevant topic worthy of discussion. Not everyone may agree with that and that's fine. But I don't think I am or anyone else who feels the same way is an "idiot" because I think it is something worthy of discussion.

 

[psychojoe]

This is a message board. Message boards exist for fans to give their opinions. With as many people who frequent message boards in today's world not everyone is going to agree. There's nothing wrong with people disagreeing but the manner in which some people disagree is what's idiotic. Not the opinion they are calling idiotic. There's no one's opinion on this board (about Alabama football) worth anymore than anyone's elses' when it gets right down to it. I assume most on here are adults so if "you" come across an opinion that "you" think is "stupid". Rather than acting like a childish punk, either ignore it or respond to it in an adult manner. I'm a part of a lot of messages boards and have been for many years. One thing that I've found common is people who respond in an immature manner like we've witnessed in this thread are usually the ones who think they are the "expert" of the board. They have so much belief in this that anyone who disagrees with them gets met with ignorant, childish responses of insults.

But back to the original point. Message boards exist to discuss things like coaching moves, strategies, recruiting etc. We actually could squash any topic by simply saying "Hey, trust the coaches they know more than us." Then at that point you've severely limited discussion and you start doing that and you start losing users and message boards die. Unless the administrators or owner of this site explicitly forbid certain topics then there's nothing wrong or "idiotic" about a fan questioning whether an Oline coach needs to be fired. Granted it may not be something you want to discuss or even think is worthy of discussion but it doesn't mean others feel the same way. Actually, if you frequent other Bama sites this topic is becoming a popular one. People are starting to question the scheme or ability to develop talent by our OL coach. I think it is a very relevant topic worthy of discussion. Not everyone may agree with that and that's fine. But I don't think I am or anyone else who feels the same way is an "idiot" because I think it is something worthy of discussion.

That issue has been beaten to death, and neither side is going to change the other's mind. Everyone knows where everyone else stands. Time to move on.

 

[OldPlayer]

Maybe this is off topic a little, but just to get different opinions......As a whole, most conferences have alot more offense than the SEC. Is it as simple as a good defense stops a good offense? If SEC schools generally collect the best talent from high schools, why do most SEC schools struggle to develop top tier qbs on a consistant basis? You could argue that some conferences have poor defenses, but their 3 star qbs still have to be able to make the offense go (tcu, baylor, texas tech, ect) You could also argue that some teams produce "system" qbs. If thats the case, than could you argue that those coaches must be really good to just plug players in just as some teams do on defense and consistantly have good to great defenses?

Sometimes it's the system, sometimes it's the personnel. While Big12 schools score a lot of points, I don't think they've sent a lot of QB talent to the NFL (Andy Dalton, RGIII, Sam Bradford). The SEC, IMO, has put more productive players (Matt Stafford, Mettenberger, McCarron, Cam Newton, Aaron Murray, P Manning, E Manning) into the NFL. I don't know if there will ever be a right answer until a high producing offense from the Big12 plays a dominating defense from the SEC.

 

[BigCrimson]

That issue has been beaten to death, and neither side is going to change the other's mind. Everyone knows where everyone else stands. Time to move on.

What issue? The OL coach or people who act like 15 year olds on message boards?

 

[planomateo]

For some reason, this scene came to mind.

 

[OldPlayer]

What issue? The OL coach or people who act like 6 year olds on message boards?

FIFY

 

[TerryP]

i'm telling you, the timing of the hand-offs is a problem.

I don't see it limited to just hand-offs. I've seen a lot of plays that seemed to develop a half a second early, or late, and they would have met that "explosive play" definition Saban likes. I can only hope that one day it clicks ... and when that day comes?

Danielson has made it a point to talk about negative plays a lot on the Tide's afternoon games. What's not been pointed out is the offense isn't too far off what it was last season and really close to the same production we saw in 2013 and 2012 (roughly 25 - 30 yards less per game.) They are down about three points per game from last season, roughly five from the preceding two.

Reality: All of that is really just one scoring drive.

 

[bamatommy]

We all understand that there have been issues on our OL, and there has been some frustration over the performance of it as a group, especially when compared with the DL. That is understandable. All of us want Bama to perform every year as if we had the 2011 defense and the 2012 offense, which to say the least are very high standards. We have two groups here, one of which directs its criticism at specific coaches and players, and another reacting to the perceived errors in these criticisms. In some cases it has resulted in personal attacks.

I have this to say. Both groups have made their points, and neither is willing to back away. Let's drop this topic. And if you have an issue with another member, you can take it out of public view via private messages, or even meet tomorrow at sunrise to fight a duel, if that suits you.

 

[bamatommy]

This is a message board. Message boards exist for fans to give their opinions. With as many people who frequent message boards in today's world not everyone is going to agree. There's nothing wrong with people disagreeing but the manner in which
some people disagree is what's idiotic. Not the opinion they are calling idiotic. There's no one's opinion on this board (about Alabama football) worth anymore than anyone's elses' when it gets right down to it. I assume most on here are adults so if "you" come across an opinion that "you" think is "stupid". Rather than acting like a childish punk, either ignore it or respond to it in an adult manner. I'm a part of a lot of messages boards and have been for many years. One thing that I've found common is people who respond in an immature manner like we've witnessed in this thread are usually the ones who think they are the "expert" of the board. They have so much belief in this that anyone who disagrees with them gets met with ignorant, childish responses of insults.

But back to the original point. Message boards exist to discuss things like coaching moves, strategies, recruiting etc. We actually could squash any topic by simply saying "Hey, trust the coaches they know more than us." Then at that point you've severely limited discussion and you start doing that and you start losing users and message boards die. Unless the administrators or owner of this site explicitly forbid certain topics then there's nothing wrong or "idiotic" about a fan questioning whether an Oline coach needs to be fired. Granted it may not be something you want to discuss or even think is worthy of discussion but it doesn't mean others feel the same way. Actually, if you frequent other Bama sites this topic is becoming a popular one. People are starting to question the scheme or ability to develop talent by our OL coach. I think it is a very relevant topic worthy of discussion. Not everyone may agree with that and that's fine. But I don't think I am or anyone else who feels the same way is an "idiot" because I think it is something worthy of discussion.

:clap:

 

[Tidestalker]

This is a message board. Message boards exist for fans to give their opinions. With as many people who frequent message boards in today's world not everyone is going to agree. There's nothing wrong with people disagreeing but the manner in which some people disagree is what's idiotic. Not the opinion they are calling idiotic. There's no one's opinion on this board (about Alabama football) worth anymore than anyone's elses' when it gets right down to it. I assume most on here are adults so if "you" come across an opinion that "you" think is "stupid". Rather than acting like a childish punk, either ignore it or respond to it in an adult manner. I'm a part of a lot of messages boards and have been for many years. One thing that I've found common is people who respond in an immature manner like we've witnessed in this thread are usually the ones who think they are the "expert" of the board. They have so much belief in this that anyone who disagrees with them gets met with ignorant, childish responses of insults.

But back to the original point. Message boards exist to discuss things like coaching moves, strategies, recruiting etc. We actually could squash any topic by simply saying "Hey, trust the coaches they know more than us." Then at that point you've severely limited discussion and you start doing that and you start losing users and message boards die. Unless the administrators or owner of this site explicitly forbid certain topics then there's nothing wrong or "idiotic" about a fan questioning whether an Oline coach needs to be fired. Granted it may not be something you want to discuss or even think is worthy of discussion but it doesn't mean others feel the same way. Actually, if you frequent other Bama sites this topic is becoming a popular one. People are starting to question the scheme or ability to develop talent by our OL coach. I think it is a very relevant topic worthy of discussion. Not everyone may agree with that and that's fine. But I don't think I am or anyone else who feels the same way is an "idiot" because I think it is something worthy of discussion.

Well said. The "I'm glad you're not the coach" and/or "Leave it to the coaches" is the worst on a message board.... Last time I checked the whole point of these websites is to discuss Alabama football. RTR

 

[JoshB]

Last time I will say anything on this subject since I have obviously become enemy numero uno on here for some reason... If I find a post or comment stupid, I will say it. Im sorry that some of you dont like that, but whatever... I have heard my entire life certain fans that want to throw a player right under the bus and on the bench as soon as something not going perfect happens, I brought up Trent Richardson because in 2011 we had geniuses on here saying that he shouldnt be starting. Of course he went on to shatter every single season rushing record Alabama had and was a Heisman finalist. This happens every year and its always stupid, so I say its stupid... And yes thank God some of you aren't the coaches, because we would be absolutely f***ed and would have walk-ons starting... I do not claim to know all nor do I think I do, one of the main reasons I dont question things like why is Cam starting if he is hurt. Its fine to question things and talk about it on these boards because like has been said that is what they are for, but it gets very tiresome to hear the same whinning over and over. The "they cant get their heads around" whines were the worst and another example. Ill prolly just go back to being a lurker on here tho since I dont seem to offer anything here apparently. Roll Tide fellas...

 

[TerryP]

I dont seem to offer anything here

We've been trying to get that point across to you for how long now? :bird:

 

[UAgrad93]

@Birdman37, you and I along with many others here, have been around long enough to have heard the old saying. "Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one and they all stink!" That is what makes these boards fun to an extent. We can all get on here and second the coaches and give our opinions and ideas on what should or shouldn't be done. Continue on my friend!!

 

['65 Cobra]

IMO, it doesn't help that Henry runs so upright. Yes, he's a great back, but sometimes he needs to lower his pads when he runs and when he fakes.

Agreed and this is why he seems to go down so easily, especially before he gets to the second level. He needs to get lower and run behind his pads more. I think once Bo gets to full speed and gets some reps, we will see a real bruiser of a back.