🏈 I'll just leave this right here... RE: Hurts

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

 

[alagator]

Another breakdown

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

Another breakdown

Nice. He had higher YPG and Comp % than all but 2 players on that list, one of which (Baker Mayfield @ TTU) that is known for throwing the ball 40+ times a game. And the other, Andy Dalton, was a RS Frosh, not a True Frosh.

 

[colbyjacks]

Yes, but his completion % is very skewed by the jet sweeps.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

Yes, but his completion % is very skewed by the jet sweeps.

3 a game for an avg of about 35 yards.

Still better than all those.

 

[colbyjacks]

There is no doubt that if he can develop an efficient downfield passing game, it will be exciting to watch him progress the next 3 years.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

There is no doubt that if he can develop an efficient downfield passing game, it will be exciting to watch him progress the next 3 years.

That's #1 on Sark's Spring agenda.

 

[TUSKtimes]

I suppose Tua could pass hurts for the starting position, given we just saw Hurts do the same himself. But Hurts didn't have to pass the QB from the previous year and that seems like a big deal. Added to that daunting task, Hurts is the offensive player of the year in the SEC and the freshman of the year and first-team All-SEC QB. Not gonna happen.

 

[TerryP]

Yes, but his completion % is very skewed by the jet sweeps.

3 a game for an avg of about 35 yards.

Still better than all those.

He was 80 for 84 behind the line of scrimmage this year. That's roughly five passes per game behind the line and not all of those were jet sweeps.

FWIW, that's a little over 17% of the yardage passed for that came from throws behind the LOS>

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

He was 80 for 84 behind the line of scrimmage this year. That's roughly five passes per game behind the line and not all of those were jet sweeps.

FWIW, that's a little over 17% of the yardage passed for that came from throws behind the LOS>

So my guesstimate wasn't far off.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

I suppose Tua could pass hurts for the starting position, given we just saw Hurts do the same himself. But Hurts didn't have to pass the QB from the previous year and that seems like a big deal. Added to that daunting task, Hurts is the offensive player of the year in the SEC and the freshman of the year and first-team All-SEC QB. Not gonna happen.

Barnett was supposed to be the kid with the cannon arm that was athletic enough to buy time in the pocket.

Yet in his first action, he folded like a beach chair and never really won the team over.

Hurts, despite his freshman flaws, quickly had the full support of the team.
Unless Tua comes in with the synergistic charisma of Tony Robbins and can drop 40 yard rainbows into buckets over double coverage, he ain't got a chance of seeing the field significantly until he's a RS Junior if Hurts stays healthy and thru his senior year.

 

[TerryP]

So my guesstimate wasn't far off.

Not at all. Spot on give or take a completion or a few yards.

I figure they threw at least two or three screens per game as well.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

Not at all. Spot on give or take a completion or a few yards.

I figure they threw at least two or three screens per game as well.

Yup.

 

[94 Grad]

Show me a comparison at the end of next year... I don't really care where he is... I really only care how much he improves. Just because his starting delta is where those other guys were, doesn't mean he has the same capacity for improvement as they had.

He is a serviceable QB at the moment and for a tFR QB he did an outstanding job. Now, we'll see how much improvement he can make... but there is no doubt that he HAS to make improvements. I would expect that he will, but the key questions will be how much/how fast... I'm excited to find out.

 

[94 Grad]

Unless Tua comes in with the synergistic charisma of Tony Robbins and can drop 40 yard rainbows into buckets over double coverage, he ain't got a chance of seeing the field significantly until he's a RS Junior if Hurts stays healthy and thru his senior year.

Do we even have a QB on roster to be able to take the mop up duty snaps or injury/equipment snaps for Hurts? I'm not sure Tua get's the chance to even Redshirt... who do we have that can play that role?

 

['65 Cobra]

Stats are all very nice, but it was clear to see that as the season progressed, his performance seemed to regress as opposed to clear progress - that is concerning. Clearly, as opposing defenses had access to more and more game tape, defenses adjusted to him, and we didn't have much of an answer. There are two areas that concern me most; his field vision and his intermediate to long pass accuracy. I don't have the exact numbers, but he OFTEN completely missed wide open receivers, and by missed, I mean he didn't even see them. He also blew MANY intermediate to long passes where he did see the receiver and simply threw a bad pass.

I'm sure a lot of this can be addressed in coaching - at least I hope so. Tua, from what I've heard, happens to already have excellent touch and field vision. I just hope it is an open QB competition.

 

[94 Grad]

Stats are all very nice, but it was clear to see that as the season progressed, his performance seemed to regress as opposed to clear progress - that is concerning. Clearly, as opposing defenses had access to more and more game tape, defenses adjusted to him, and we didn't have much of an answer. There are two areas that concern me most; his field vision and his intermediate to long pass accuracy. I don't have the exact numbers, but he OFTEN completely missed wide open receivers, and by missed, I mean he didn't even see them. He also blew MANY intermediate to long passes where he did see the receiver and simply threw a bad pass.

I'm sure a lot of this can be addressed in coaching - at least I hope so. Tua, from what I've heard, happens to already have excellent touch and field vision. I just hope it is an open QB competition.

He has some form issues that caused him to be late on a lot of passes over the middle and in season isn't the time to try to correct them. Also, I think he was limited in the play calling being conservative down the stretch (very few over the middle passes). We seemed happy to just let the Defense win games and not put pressure on the Offense to make too many down field plays. Teams figured that out and started protecting the short screens in the flat and wheel routes.

I would expect a lot of form work in the off season and a more aggressive play book being open to him next year as we move into the season. Time will tell if he progresses or he doesn't... I think the key will be more his form issues along with some of the timing routes. If he can get those two things cleaned up, I think it will open up a lot of the play book. Mostly the middle of the field passes, which was completely missing down the streatch this year.

 

[JoshB]

Stats are all very nice, but it was clear to see that as the season progressed, his performance seemed to regress as opposed to clear progress - that is concerning. Clearly, as opposing defenses had access to more and more game tape, defenses adjusted to him, and we didn't have much of an answer. .

This is like the 5th time I've seen someone say this exact thing, but the problem is the facts dont match up with this myth that he "regressed" as the season went on...

- 9/3 vs. USC: 6-11, 118 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT; 9 carries, 32 yards, 2 TD
- 9/10 vs. Western Kentucky: 23-36, 287 yards, 2 TD; 11 carries, 19 yards
- 9/17 vs. Ole Miss: 19-31, 158 yards; 18 carries, 146 yards
- 9/24 vs. Kent State: 16-24, 164 yards, 1 TD; 7 carries, 54 yards, 1 TD
- 10/1 vs. KEntucky: 20-33, 262 yards, 2 TD; 9 carries, 25 yards
- 10/8 vs. Arkansas: 13-17, 253 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT; 8 carries, 20 yards, 2 TD
- 10/15 vs. Tennessee: 16-26, 143 yards, 1 TD; 12 carries, 132 yards, 3 TD
- 10/22 vs. Texas A&M: 15-25, 164 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT; 21 carries, 93 yards, 1 TD
- 11/05 vs. LSU: 10-19, 107 yards, 1 TD; 20 carries, 114 yards, 1 TD
- 11/12 vs. Mississippi State: 28-37, 347 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT; 11 carries, 100 yards, 1 TD
- 11/19 vs. Chattanooga: 15-21, 136 yards, 3 TD; 16 carries, 68 yards
- 11/26 vs. Auburn: 27-36, 286 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT; 12 carries, 37 yards, 1 TD
- 12/03 vs. Florida: 11-20, 138 yards, 1 TD; 8 carries, 1 yard
- 12/31 vs. Washington: 7-14, 57 yards; 19 carries, 50 yards
- 1/9 vs. Clemson: 13-31, 131 yards, 1 TD; 10 carries, 63 yards, 1 TD

Mind you all of those are wins by the way except the very last one... you can say out of everyone of those guys the only time he truly looked "bad" was against Washington. Against Clemson he didnt look "great" early but he damn sure settled in as the game went on and made some great throws (some dropped). I just dont get where this huge "regression" that some of you keep talking about occurred. When Sark seemed to open it up a bit late Hurts played a lot better (not just talking about the final drive either).

 

[94 Grad]

This is like the 5th time I've seen someone say this exact thing, but the problem is the facts dont match up with this myth that he "regressed" as the season went on...

- 9/3 vs. USC: 6-11, 118 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT; 9 carries, 32 yards, 2 TD
- 9/10 vs. Western Kentucky: 23-36, 287 yards, 2 TD; 11 carries, 19 yards
- 9/17 vs. Ole Miss: 19-31, 158 yards; 18 carries, 146 yards
- 9/24 vs. Kent State: 16-24, 164 yards, 1 TD; 7 carries, 54 yards, 1 TD
- 10/1 vs. KEntucky: 20-33, 262 yards, 2 TD; 9 carries, 25 yards
- 10/8 vs. Arkansas: 13-17, 253 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT; 8 carries, 20 yards, 2 TD
- 10/15 vs. Tennessee: 16-26, 143 yards, 1 TD; 12 carries, 132 yards, 3 TD
- 10/22 vs. Texas A&M: 15-25, 164 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT; 21 carries, 93 yards, 1 TD
- 11/05 vs. LSU: 10-19, 107 yards, 1 TD; 20 carries, 114 yards, 1 TD
- 11/12 vs. Mississippi State: 28-37, 347 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT; 11 carries, 100 yards, 1 TD
- 11/19 vs. Chattanooga: 15-21, 136 yards, 3 TD; 16 carries, 68 yards
- 11/26 vs. Auburn: 27-36, 286 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT; 12 carries, 37 yards, 1 TD
- 12/03 vs. Florida: 11-20, 138 yards, 1 TD; 8 carries, 1 yard
- 12/31 vs. Washington: 7-14, 57 yards; 19 carries, 50 yards
- 1/9 vs. Clemson: 13-31, 131 yards, 1 TD; 10 carries, 63 yards, 1 TD

Mind you all of those are wins by the way except the very last one... you can say out of everyone of those guys the only time he truly looked "bad" was against Washington. Against Clemson he didnt look "great" early but he damn sure settled in as the game went on and made some great throws (some dropped). I just dont get where this huge "regression" that some of you keep talking about occurred. When Sark seemed to open it up a bit late Hurts played a lot better (not just talking about the final drive either).

I wouldn't call it regression... but teams that could play D figured out we were not being aggressive with passes over the middle. A lot of that has to do with Jalen throwing late over the middle and we didn't need him to make those throws to win. I think Jalen played like a Freshman... teams figured out what he was doing and started to cover those passes that he felt most comfortable throwing. Taking away his "bread and butter" passes and leaving passes he doesn't as of yet excel in. Hopefully, those come with this off season. To be honest, that's why Freshman don't typical win NC. The season is long enough that teams figure out what passes to take way and what passes to not worry about as much.

 

[colbyjacks]

Those last 3 games leave a lot to be desired in regards to his passing.
31/65 for 326 yds. That is total for those games.